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post #241 of 1270
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

I agree. From his description it sounds like the projector had adequate space for cooling.

Not his fault at all. The unit should have some sort of automatic shutdown when it gets too hot ,,, otherwise you could have a potential camp fire in the living room. This is a pure and simple design flaw. This reminds me of the way they used to mirror and tint glass in office buildings. After a while some of the tinted windows discolored and produced weird patterns. I have a feeling that they will work this out and the unit will eventually become a pretty good seller. Its nice to see courageous people Like SMJ who are saving a lot of grief for the rest of us

Bohanna
post #242 of 1270
It was a few days of back and forth in e-mail
I had to send video +picture for their technicians as requested.
They asked for a photo of the problem and a video stipulating the CRE X1000 must be shown in the clip, and closeups of the yellow shown in dark and light conditions.
Also an indictator, they wanted to know the temperature of the RGB levels which is accessed thru the projector menu.to which i retrieved, results were

R 40
G 62
B 39

All for which to send to their head technician etc

Anyways,,,,,,got a e-mail reply monday morning (UK time zone)

"Our cheif engineer promises to fix the problem or replace a new one.

Because X1000 is World First 3LED+3LCD FULL HD Projector , it really needs our engineer team to improve it step by step and to be perfect projector.

I will attend HongKong Electronic Fair on 12-16th,April . Welcome you to visit us at booth 3E-E30 if you are convenient at this period."

Explaining he wont be back in china until the 16th

I got an address to send it to so hopefully if i get my butt into gear i`ll get it DHL`ed for him when he gets back from this trade fair.

I`m relieved my smoking & ventilation wasnt to blame. tho now i`m thinking those RGB temperatures could have been a defective green, the Green was 62 degrees.

When I 1st got the CRE X1000 out of the box, & fiddled with the menus i noticed the temperatures at the time that green was running alot hotter than the other colors running at over 60 degrees, and that Red & Blue were 40 and 39.

Should the RGB be at 40 40 40 at a factory default?
Was the Green faulty?

Whatever the reasons it went wrong, i hope it comes back resolved & improved should they decide to repair mine.
in the meantime just gotta wait it out .

Heres 3 older pics u may enjoy(taken by me on an aiptek camera) of the CRE X1000 picture quality in full technicolor glory






please dont break, please dont break, please dont break.
post #243 of 1270
I will be at the HK Electronics fair and I'll stop by the booth. I've talked with him a little about sending it to the USA for review, but communication can be difficult. I am also interested in this product.
post #244 of 1270
Hey SMJ, Even if you have the RGB intensity numbers all up to 100 you shouldn't be getting this burn in. It's just a thought but you mentioned that you were using the powerstrip application. Could you have the green level up this high on the projector to compensate for a Powerstrip setting? Do you know what the basic default RGB numbers are on the projector?? Are they keyed to 50??

Thanks for taking the plunge and buying this one. I think they should be falling all over themselves to fix this problem at the factory level otherwise they will have a factory full of lemons.

Bohanna

P.S.

Please Forward this to the tech and link him to this thread.

1 put a better polarizer before the panel
2 increase the air flow around the LCDs
3 decrease the voltage and light output for the blue panel
4 all of the above
post #245 of 1270
On the CRE X1000 the default colors, contrast, brightness, RGB etc. are all set to 50 as default.

Powerstrip yeh i had a go with it also, to see if i could reduce the temperature of the green.
You would imagine ,it makes sense for the different colors to reach different temperatures depending on whats shown onscreen, i.e blue ocean using more blue or green landscape using more green etc.

This wasnt the case tho, as i put up a variety of pictures of different color and the temperatures of RGB seemed to stay roughly the same

Even after i had the thing running for hours; the green seemed to be the highest temperature
The projector settings for brightness and contrast etc had not much effect on the green temperature, so figured its supposed to run like that..lol i dont know.

I think it would be a great idea for people to e-mail them their suggestions for making the CRE X1000 better.
They seem to be responsive + new enquiries and suggestions from different people may encourage them to make it correctly.

Whats good it that finally on the internet if u search for CRE X1000 on scroogle this forum discussion comes near the top of the search results.
One can only hope they pay attention to what you guys have said on how to improve this worlds 1st LED/LCD marvel.

I`ll attempt to harvest some of the great suggestions from you nice folk & e-mail it to them & mention they should come visit this forum
If Hawkson can talk to them at the Hong Kong Electronics fair, that would be great as Hawkson mentioned he speaks fluent chinese
awesome if you can talk about the techy stuff.

DHL i booked them for tommorrow to collect the x1000 for its journey home.
post #246 of 1270
...i have read most of the comments, and, i guess, like most of you, concluded that this projector is definitely worth a try. but, is it good to try DIY some passive 3D setup, combining two of these projectors with horizontal and vertical polarizators? since there are three separated LCD's, and since you have already disassembled one unit - is it possible?
i didn't see any of you wrote about keystoning feature - does it have or not?
post #247 of 1270
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Originally Posted by petar k View Post

...i have read most of the comments, and, i guess, like most of you, concluded that this projector is definitely worth a try. but, is it good to try DIY some passive 3D setup, combining two of these projectors with horizontal and vertical polarizators? since there are three separated LCD's, and since you have already disassembled one unit - is it possible?
i didn't see any of you wrote about keystoning feature - does it have or not?

Really,thats what you come away with..........
post #248 of 1270
I think if this was worth reselling some one would import it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgk0C...layer_embedded


$2,295.99 is way to high.
post #249 of 1270
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Originally Posted by petar k View Post

...i have read most of the comments, and, i guess, like most of you, concluded that this projector is definitely worth a try. but, is it good to try DIY some passive 3D setup, combining two of these projectors with horizontal and vertical polarizators? since there are three separated LCD's, and since you have already disassembled one unit - is it possible?
i didn't see any of you wrote about keystoning feature - does it have or not?

There is the one(and only) that sell me junk has bought and that one has failed-he has not opened it up -those pics are of other PJs opened up,there is a knob on top for keystone.The link with features is in this thread some where.
post #250 of 1270
actually compared to the cost of other full HD LED projectors this is a very good price... however, a very good price on PJ that last two or three weeks is always to much. If this were built solid and wokred the same 3K would even be a steal. The Runcos retail for 15K and up Sim2 for 18K and up and the Tru Vue for 10K and up.
post #251 of 1270
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Originally Posted by eat meat View Post

Really,thats what you come away with..........

ROTFLMAO!!!

Bohanna
post #252 of 1270
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Originally Posted by rovingtravler View Post

actually compared to the cost of other full HD LED projectors this is a very good price... however, a very good price on PJ that last two or three weeks is always to much. If this were built solid and wokred the same 3K would even be a steal. The Runcos retail for 15K and up Sim2 for 18K and up and the Tru Vue for 10K and up.

Yeaaa those are 3 dlp PJs light years ahead of any(ANY) lcd.
post #253 of 1270
@eat meat, @Bohanna / actually, i "come away with" conclusion (considering others opinion, here), that this projector is worth a try.
I asked simple question: is it possible to built in some polarizators and calibrate them good, since there are 3 LCDs in each unit? I was looking for some HD (in that moment, not "full" HD), that will not have some really bright/expensive light which i would later anyway replace with some HP LED light. and also, combine two of those to make 3D projection. but then, i came across this one...
btw, as you can see, i'm not some PJ geek, and my English, sometimes is not English - so, forgive me.
post #254 of 1270
eat meat,

Actually those are ALL Single DLP. They use RGB LEDs One for each color and they modulate the light out of each to act as the color wheel. They flash at about the speed of a 20X color wheel completely absolutely no RBE.

I have a Runco Q-750i and if you look at cinehome or any of the other reviews or breakdowns of the projectors you will see they are single DLP. Jason Turk did a Runco review here, Atru Vue Vango and there are many Sim2 ones on the net.

here is one link
http://www.avforums.com/forums/proje...end-bulbs.html
post #255 of 1270
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Originally Posted by petar k View Post
@eat meat, @Bohanna / actually, i "come away with" conclusion (considering others opinion, here), that this projector is worth a try.
I asked simple question: is it possible to built in some polarizators and calibrate them good, since there are 3 LCDs in each unit? I was looking for some HD (in that moment, not "full" HD), that will not have some really bright/expensive light which i would later anyway replace with some HP LED light. and also, combine two of those to make 3D projection. but then, i came across this one...
btw, as you can see, i'm not some PJ geek, and my English, sometimes is not English - so, forgive me.
Hey Petar, The general direction that this thread has taken has been about the quality of the image this projector puts out and the fact that it is the one of the first 3 LED powered units on the market which is something we in the DIY groups have been talking about modding for several years. The unit seem to have a LCD screen burn issue that is design related. At this point I beleive we are all concerned that this thing will fly in the first place and no one has discussed this in a 3D setting. Basically I think we are all more concerned that this thing is capable of staying airborne before anybody even talks about putting ANY passengers in it. Thats why it was kind of funny.

Bohanna
post #256 of 1270
Roving traveller I hope you didn't pay that 15K for your Runco, dealer cost can be as low as one third of that MSRP, so there are plenty of sellers around the $10K+ mark, the Vango price ($9999) now includes the EE box, the DPI MSRP was reduced to $12,950.

Colour break-up issues still exist with these units, they have been considerably reduced, but still require some to keep looking at 3 chip solutions (DLP or LCoS).

This unit should however be compared to the Samsung LCD, that sells around $/€900. And with each colour off by 4 pixels, 3K is way too much. €3K gets you a nice Epson TW5500, with a two year lamp warranty. So image quality would have to be on par.
post #257 of 1270
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Originally Posted by rovingtravler View Post
eat meat,

Actually those are ALL Single DLP. They use RGB LEDs One for each color and they modulate the light out of each to act as the color wheel. They flash at about the speed of a 20X color wheel completely absolutely no RBE.

I have a Runco Q-750i and if you look at cinehome or any of the other reviews or breakdowns of the projectors you will see they are single DLP. Jason Turk did a Runco review here, Atru Vue Vango and there are many Sim2 ones on the net.

here is one link
http://www.avforums.com/forums/proje...end-bulbs.html
I guess Dvision is the only 3chip led .I assumed at that price...
post #258 of 1270
I have been looking for a place to source the PT-120 LEDs, and finally found some. They are priced at around $70 US for each bulb, and of course you need three. So for about $210 plus Shipping these lights are in the same ball park of the High pressure mercury bulbs that are most commonly used. I wonder why we are not seeing more of these projectors? Options seem to be limited to the ones mentioned from Sim2, etc... Surely more companies will jump on the LED bandwagon soon?
post #259 of 1270
Nope DPI is also using the Delta engine.
post #260 of 1270
Lasers ....
post #261 of 1270
casio will have 28 laser/led models by summer-they need a 1080p tho
post #262 of 1270
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Originally Posted by eat meat
casio will have 28 laser/led models by summer-they need a 1080p tho
Yes, 1080p FTW
post #263 of 1270
correct there. Lasers are the future of the future. LEDs are great though in th emean time. 5 seconds to on and full brightness and less than 1 second to turn off.

The money on all the LED machines is partly the development cost being passed to the buyer, but also the higher end optics and video processor. Lens shift (good) lense shift, etc. Not to mention not over driving the LEDs which I feel other companies are doing to get more out of them... It will shorten their life but no one know by how much.
post #264 of 1270
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Originally Posted by eat meat View Post

casio will have 28 laser/led models by summer-they need a 1080p tho

Not yet on the horizon. Casio is going for brighter. Casio must be getting great margin on these, compared to the competition's completely commodified (W)XGA datagrade projectors, or 1280x800/720P bulb units. Hey, they told me they were glad that HQ in Japan didn't bring those 200/300 lumens all LED models to market, as there's no money to be made on those (toys).

Casio introduced a second LED, so R and B are now LED, the G is still an array of blu solid state lasers shining through/at a green phosphor filter, why it is still spinning now it is all green and there's no clear window for blue anymore, I have no idea, must be one of the limitations of the standard TI single DLP control...
post #265 of 1270
Ok
I should be there in 2 days. If you have any questions you want me to ask let me know.

They have other products besides this LED 1080, but nothing else THAT interesting for us. They have a decently priced LED at lesser resolution, but it wasn't interesting to me.
post #266 of 1270
If they can come out with a 1080p DLP using LED without color wheel + 3D below USD 3k, that would be very interesting. Maybe ask Han if this is part of the plan for up coming product.
post #267 of 1270
Have you seen their other projectors? They use large five inch 800 x 600 TFT LCD displays with a white LED. Reminds me of the old Lumenlab DIY projects, only in a nice looking case.
post #268 of 1270
Hawkson >>> Thanks for the offer and here are some suggestions :
Does it use a Pixelworks image processor chip and, if so,are there any adjustments available for noise reduction, scaling, etc ?
Do the LEDs have any kind of dynamic contrast feature that adjusts brightness depending on input image, and if so, is it done automatically and cannot be deactivated by user ?
What generation of Epson 3LCD chips are used in the X1000 ? Are they the brand new chips released last Fall (Epson REFLECTIVE microdisplay) or standard fare Epson D7 C2FINE microdisplay ?
How exactly is Cree claiming a contrast rate of 100.000:1 for the X1000 ?
Any reports of overheating issues ? Prior to boxing/shipping are the LCD chips checked for good alignment as well as all other functions of the projector ?
Any chances for future firmware upgrades for R/G/B color management system (CMS), better grey-scale and gamma adjustment controls, etc, etc ?
As for suggestions, how about a redesigned website dedicated to American/European customers displaying full resolution pics of outside/inside features of the X1000, specifically the cooling path and the 3LCD/LEDs arrangement, full specs/descriptions for the unit (Pixelworks, Epson D7, Luminus Devices PT-120, etc), AND a safe+secure purchase/shipment link directly from the factory ?
How about shipping one unit to USA A/V publications, reviewers, online A/V websites, etc, for detailed reviews ?
Have lots of fun on your trip !
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Marcos
post #269 of 1270
@Bohanna - i see, nothing is perfect. but, i'm sure it's not some big problem.
post #270 of 1270
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Originally Posted by action_jackson View Post

I have been looking for a place to source the PT-120 LEDs, and finally found some. They are priced at around $70 US for each bulb, and of course you need three. So for about $210 plus Shipping these lights are in the same ball park of the High pressure mercury bulbs that are most commonly used. I wonder why we are not seeing more of these projectors? Options seem to be limited to the ones mentioned from Sim2, etc... Surely more companies will jump on the LED bandwagon soon?

Hey AC/Jackson, Could you give us a little more info on the PT-120 source you found?
I have been thinking of retrofitting an older sanyo 9000 that has a straight side shot directly into the light chambers lamp mounting area so space is not a problem. I have tried several other light sources through this in the past but none of them has been bright enough. I have been thinking of mounting 4 High powered LED's on a heat sink with a fan and pointing it into the chamber

Thanks

Bohanna
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