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post #841 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laredo View Post

If CRE service is excellent, then I don't see a problem.

Hmmm so far, among owners in this thread at least, the failure rate on these pjs is 100%.

Not a good start for CRE...
post #842 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Hmmm so far, among owners in this thread at least, the failure rate on these pjs is 100%.

Not a good start for CRE...

this projector crossed my mind as I recently picked up the 720 DLP QUMI projector with 300 lumens. It's enough light on my 142" 2.8HP screen and is the exact size of a 3.5 hard drive. I am sold on the LED since the lamp in my JVC has been a major pain with dimming much earlier than I was expecting.

If Epson was smart, they could implement the LED's in their 8xxx chassis and corner the market for the 1-2k 1080P LED projectors at this time.

I wouldn't have the patience for spending nearly $1800 and the chances are getting a bum unit are pretty high. It is good that they are handling it, but their Q/C isn't promising. What is going to happen in a 6 months, 1 year, etc.

sure other projectors have issues, but there plenty that run forever as well without concern.
post #843 of 1270
It is a darn shame, i reallly wanted to see this technology take off, & be developed.
It wouldnt suprise me if CRE has been infiltrated by a big brand double agent to bury this technology.
I`m sure all the big brand projector developers are aware of the threat posed by a small time competitor holding this 3LCD/3 LED patent.
60,000 hours for a 1080p! The replacement bulb business must be worth millions/ billions in additional revenue.
post #844 of 1270
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

this projector crossed my mind as I recently picked up the 720 DLP QUMI projector with 300 lumens. It's enough light on my 142" 2.8HP screen and is the exact size of a 3.5 hard drive. I am sold on the LED since the lamp in my JVC has been a major pain with dimming much earlier than I was expecting.

If Epson was smart, they could implement the LED's in their 8xxx chassis and corner the market for the 1-2k 1080P LED projectors at this time.

I wouldn't have the patience for spending nearly $1800 and the chances are getting a bum unit are pretty high. It is good that they are handling it, but their Q/C isn't promising. What is going to happen in a 6 months, 1 year, etc.

sure other projectors have issues, but there plenty that run forever as well without concern.

I am surprised. If you are able to get a little over 2.2 gain from your screen then you are only getting 11 foot lamberts. Most would consider that a little dim. I have a projector that puts out about 300 lumens (Marantz VP-12S4) and I use a 106" 2.8 HP screen. I would think that I could go 110", but I don't know if I would want to go any larger than that even with a new lamp.
post #845 of 1270
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

It is a darn shame, i reallly wanted to see this technology take off, & be developed.
It wouldnt suprise me if CRE has been infiltrated by a big brand double agent to bury this technology.
I`m sure all the big brand projector developers are aware of the threat posed by a small time competitor holding this 3LCD/3 LED patent.
60,000 hours for a 1080p! The replacement bulb business must be worth millions/ billions in additional revenue.

?

What technology exactly ?
post #846 of 1270
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

I am surprised. If you are able to get a little over 2.2 gain from your screen then you are only getting 11 foot lamberts. Most would consider that a little dim. I have a projector that puts out about 300 lumens (Marantz VP-12S4) and I use a 106" 2.8 HP screen. I would think that I could go 110", but I don't know if I would want to go any larger than that even with a new lamp.

I have the projector in the best possible spot for maximum gain, I am certain I am getting the max 2.8 gain, possibly higher as others have measured as high as 3.0.

Some claim the pulsing of the LED's leads to a higher perceived brightness. My RS50 is only putting out 360 D65 lumens and the brightness still looks nice at 6" above eye level, center of the screen.

How close to eye level do you have the Marantz?
post #847 of 1270
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I have the projector in the best possible spot for maximum gain, I am certain I am getting the max 2.8 gain, possibly higher as others have measured as high as 3.0.

Some claim the pulsing of the LED's leads to a higher perceived brightness. My RS50 is only putting out 360 D65 lumens and the brightness still looks nice at 6" above eye level, center of the screen.

How close to eye level do you have the Marantz?

My Marantz is on an adjustable height pedestal. I can set it so that the image just clears my head when seated on up to 75" above the finished floor. I installed 40 lb. gas struts inside the pedestal to offset the weight of the projector and shelf so that projector can be set at any elevation in between top and bottom setting. My room has light gray (near white) walls so ambient light is there even in complete darkness. The image I get (with lens 66" above finished floor) is plasma like bright when using economy lamp setting and closed iris. If I placed the Marantz in my dedicated (all black) room, I am sure that I could go much larger if using a 2.8 gain HP screen. Just did not think I could go as big as you have gone.

Pedestal down http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...m/IMG_2844.jpg

Pedestal part way up http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...m/IMG_2842.jpg
post #848 of 1270
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

My only concern is... if there was some white lies told.

PSG had asked them to to run it for 5-6 hours burn in.
If the projector has come from hong kong instead of China, then Hans couldnt have overseen this procedure.
Thats why I asked if it came from China as the head office/repair is overseen there.
Its good they are picking up the return costs, but seems that if someone wishes to order one they should ask that it be quality checked by requesting them to send it from hong kong to china 1st to be inspected before sending it to the customer. What a pain in the ass.

I think you'll find that the factory and offices are indeed in Hunan Province, China. They use a logistics company for shipping that moves goods to Hong Kong, and then on to DHL.

The USPS tracking shows that my projector should arrive in China today, which is pretty amazing, since I dropped it off at the Post Office on Friday at 4:00pm!

It truly was unreasonably hot due to the failure of my A/C --- not that the projector *should* have failed, but it's at least a little understandable.

We'll see.
post #849 of 1270
Cree has become my dark horse to show up in a white van by the carwash.



You can redeem it PSG.
post #850 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

Cree has become my dark horse to show up in a white van by the carwash.

You can redeem it PSG.

Perhaps.

But I have to ask, Verge, why do you feel the need to be so unremittingly negative, even offensive? (I was going to say "borderline offensive", but the truth is that you've crossed that border.)

Every time an enthusiastic comment is made regarding this product or the technology behind it you quickly remind everyone that it hasn't been tested, or properly evaluated ... yet you espouse negative claims and opinions that are similarly unsubstantiated.

It's a tiresome act, and adds nothing to the discussion.
post #851 of 1270
I thought you were going to do the deed for us... but it blew up.


Remember?


Fact is, if i wasn't interested in this unit, i wouldn't be subscribed to the thread. BUT, and it's a big BUT, when they are rocking a 100% NIB failure rate on avs... ain't looking so good.


Once again, you can redeem it PSG.
post #852 of 1270
It seems alot of the enthusiasts own multiple projectors.
For me i just got only the one.

As CRE will do free return on the shipping; this projector i feel is worth taking a chance on, and in the meantime plug in one of the other PJ`s until it returns.

When a big company screws up people seem more forgiving.
When a little company screw up, some people get ruthless.

I must admit its right for people to be skeptical & i can understand the negative comments. Even me, i`m not impressed for CRE to have sent out another faulty unit.

We know this projector is the relative new kid on the block, and for a small company is doing a remarkable customer service.

I can only vouch and say since my repair, i`ve had the X1000 running every evening & is still going strong. Especially since the "hot box incident" i was totally impressed.
(for those just joining the discussion , i had made a awful looking coolbox, and accidently forgot to switch the fans on subjecting the x1000 to nearly 40 mins of bluray playback with restricted airflow in a tin foil lined box!. The X1000 survived the encounter! proving that when working correctly; is very durable)

I have since ditched the coolbox.We have learned though this forum discussion than when the X1000 is working properly under normal conditions it runs at just under 30 degrees celcius, which is extremley cool for any projector.

Whilst i`m not experienced enough to comment on picture quality, the saving grace of this projector is that its the only 3LED/3LCD in the world+ its 1080p and the 60,000 hour lamp life, which is the ultimate holy grail!

Only those with the big cajones are deemed ready for such a quest, & free themselves from the shackles of ridiculously high priced replacement lamp bulbs!
post #853 of 1270
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

Only those with the big cajones are deemed ready for such a quest, & free themselves from the shackles of ridiculously high priced replacement lamp bulbs!

Been 2 so far.


I think the 720p 500 lumen LED's are going to lure other potential people away possible. Maybe Cre will do some price cutting. They sell some very reasonable other projectors on their site, surely epson isn't hammering them that hard for sourcing their panels.
post #854 of 1270
we dont know what their sales are.. but seems enough to fund two new models.
post #855 of 1270
I would assume their primary market is in china.
post #856 of 1270
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.


CRE is going to win!
post #857 of 1270
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Originally Posted by psg View Post

Perhaps.

But I have to ask, Verge, why do you feel the need to be so unremittingly negative, even offensive? (I was going to say "borderline offensive", but the truth is that you've crossed that border.)

Every time an enthusiastic comment is made regarding this product or the technology behind it you quickly remind everyone that it hasn't been tested, or properly evaluated ... yet you espouse negative claims and opinions that are similarly unsubstantiated.

It's a tiresome act, and adds nothing to the discussion.

I agree. Heck I doubt that you can find a projector that has not had problems. I have read posts from people that have returned five Epson (8350) projectors. Same goes for Mits (HC3800) and JVC (any of the new ones). Heck, I had to send my Planar in six times. Once when it was 9 months old and five times in a row when it was 20 to 24 months old. My Viewsonic Pro8100 had a problem right off the bat and had to be sent in for repair. Only my Marantz VP-12S4 has been trouble free.
post #858 of 1270
I sure wish that these can have a firmware upgrade to support 3d. I would buy if it could do 3d.
post #859 of 1270
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Originally Posted by wildchild22 View Post

I sure wish that these can have a firmware upgrade to support 3d. I would buy if it could do 3d.

Well if it can do a good image, 20,000 plus lamp life and it did 3D, all for 1.5k then this projector would own the market. I think that you are asking for too much.
post #860 of 1270
Well Hans said in an email quote

"Yes ,it is 3D compatible"


I am asking now if it can do 1280X720p@120hz for the nvidia 3d vision.
post #861 of 1270
Can anyone hook it up to a pc and see if it can sync to 1280X720p@120hz.

I quess really sellmejunk as he is the lone owner that has a working one as of now.



Also if not to much trouble could someone please take a piece of paper and let the light from the lens shine through it almost touching the lens and repeat at 5 inches off and measure the image size.


I am trying to fiqure out if a diy anamorphic lens will work.
post #862 of 1270
Paper touching the lens gives roughly 2" screen, and from 5 Inches away from lens gives roughly a 5 inch screen.

I doubt 120hz is possible, my graphics card wont give me that option at all.
Also I ran PC wizard which is a useful utility that gives info about your PC setup. The supported resolutions dont show that 120hz supported.
The maximum refresh rate is 75hz at the largest 1024x768.
For 720: 50,59,60hz are supported and for 1080:24,25,29,30, 59 & 60 is supported.

Powerdvd 11 has a 3D button that can turn movies, pictures etc into 3D viewing, I tried it briefly and does give a 3D effect, but havent got any glasses to try it. You can have 3D at 60hz but dont know much about it. Theres a 3D thread here i found.

In the X1000 menu theres an option that says 3D NR, with options for high, mid, low & off.
Also in the ATI control panel theres an LCD overdrive funtion, that improves the image of fast moving objects during video playback, which could be useful for 3D.
post #863 of 1270
This thread is killing me. Folks who are not not interested or simply want to bash surf elsewhere please. Oh, and for the statement about patent infringement, I hardly think defending a China made unit fits the bill as I am sure there is plenty of stolen tech in this unit and that is why you will not buy it in the US right now, but may see something soon. Let's not forget that most PJs these days are made in China. For all we know China may be a test bed for new tech. I suspect there has been some technology theft here AKA corporate espionage.

Momma always said, if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing. If you have no experience with it then perhaps shut up and learn. This thread goes on like it does because this is promising technology however obtained and I think a preview of things to come.
post #864 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

I am sure there is plenty of stolen tech in this unit

So you complain about badmouthing a particular unit... and in the same breath claim it is full of stolen I.P. Really dude?



What would they have stolen, the panels are sourced from epson, and i believe the lighting is sourced from luminous devices.... ??
post #865 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

So you complain about badmouthing a particular unit... and in the same breath claim it is full of stolen I.P. Really dude?

What would they have stolen, the panels are sourced from epson, and i believe the lighting is sourced from luminous devices.... ??

LOL! My entertainment for the morning

I'd picked up on that too, V.
post #866 of 1270
thank you.




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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

Paper touching the lens gives roughly 2" screen, and from 5 Inches away from lens gives roughly a 5 inch screen.

I doubt 120hz is possible, my graphics card wont give me that option at all.
Also I ran PC wizard which is a useful utility that gives info about your PC setup. The supported resolutions dont show that 120hz supported.
The maximum refresh rate is 75hz at the largest 1024x768.
For 720: 50,59,60hz are supported and for 1080:24,25,29,30, 59 & 60 is supported.

Powerdvd 11 has a 3D button that can turn movies, pictures etc into 3D viewing, I tried it briefly and does give a 3D effect, but havent got any glasses to try it. You can have 3D at 60hz but dont know much about it. Theres a 3D thread here i found.

In the X1000 menu theres an option that says 3D NR, with options for high, mid, low & off.
Also in the ATI control panel theres an LCD overdrive funtion, that improves the image of fast moving objects during video playback, which could be useful for 3D.
post #867 of 1270
sellmejunk

Would you be able to repeat the paper test I requested and zoom the image as small as it will go for the size next to the lens and then again at around 5 inches from it.
post #868 of 1270
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Originally Posted by wildchild22 View Post


I am trying to fiqure out if a diy anamorphic lens will work.

would it work with those measurements? just curious...
post #869 of 1270
Not sure what you mean, I just had another go for you. I made the picture as small a possible.
The smallest projector image that is clear to read & in focus is from 22 centimetres away.

5 inches away, the projector cannot focus it,
post #870 of 1270
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

Not sure what you mean, I just had another go for you. I made the picture as small a possible.
The smallest projector image that is clear to read & in focus is from 22 centimetres away.

5 inches away, the projector cannot focus it,

Doesn't have to be focused. Basically he is wanting you to use the zoom function and make the image as small as possible on your screen. Then do the test.
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