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post #871 of 1270
correct

Doesnt have to be in focus. Make it as small as possible and then take the piece of paper and see how much is lit up touching the lens and 5 inches away. This is to see if the projector will work with a diy anamorphic lens. I am hoping for smaller than the previous measurements!!!

It may be easier to use a pen and make a mark on the paper length and height for the 4 sides and measure after words. This may be closer to correct size.

The reason for this is so when the projector shines though the glass elements none will be cut off if the projector can zoom out enough.


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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

Doesn't have to be focused. Basically he is wanting you to use the zoom function and make the image as small as possible on your screen. Then do the test.
post #872 of 1270
Ok. The X1000 has zoom in the scale menu. Full mode gives 16:9, then theres zoom1 which gives closeup of the centre of page, and then theres zoom 2 which gives a closeup of the bottom half of screen. Normal scale gives the smallest complete image putting the picture into what looks like 4:3. Thats the extent of the zoom function.

For this 4:3 type unfocused etc, Touching the paper is just over 1.5 Inch size screen and from 5 inches away gives 12 cm screen.
post #873 of 1270
No, like mechanically, is there a zoom knob on the lens?
post #874 of 1270
Hi thanks sellmejunk
is the 12cm height or width or both?


I am looking for you to play a 16:9 bluray dvd etc in the correct aspect ratio and mnuallly turn the focus so the image is smallest on your wall. then measure leave everyhting in the menus at default. Its basically going to give you a small rectangle on a sheet of paper. The 5 inch out is the most important measurement.
post #875 of 1270
If you are going to diy a lens, can't you just order a larger one?

You got a vp or htpc to stretch the content ?
post #876 of 1270
No the diy lens is one size only. Cannot buy bigger.

I have a lumagen radiance
and a iscan duo so I am covered in the stretch dept!!!
post #877 of 1270
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Originally Posted by wildchild22 View Post

No the diy lens is one size only. Cannot buy bigger.

I have a lumagen radiance
and a iscan duo so I am covered in the stretch dept!!!

what other PJs do you own or have owned?Just wondering what you used those for.
post #878 of 1270
Hmm, well with that 4:3 zoom and mechanical zoom set to smallest ; touching paper gives 1.5 Inch diagonal image
And 5inches way gives roughly a 3.5 Inch diagonal picture

Theres no other zoom. Functions is pretty basic.

Otherwise the previous measurment i took for normal 16:9 + mechanical zoom I posted earlier.

"Paper on lens gives roughly 2" screen, and from 5 Inches away from lens gives roughly a 5 inch screen."

(All measurements are diagonal)
post #879 of 1270
I use the duo on my plasma and my radiance is on my crt.
The nec XG1353lc


I have owned
infocus x1
infocus sp4805
benq w-500
and last was a
acer 5360
which was horrible for the rbe. I could live with the infocus's but the acer was not watchable.

Now the black level on my crt is insane. I have a pitch black room and zero light. On fade to black it is totaly black. I am afraid I will never upgrade because of the loss of fade to blacks. I have heard the jvc dilas are quite good just the same. I am fasinated with led projectors because as with crt they last a long time.
post #880 of 1270
Thank you so much I think it will work. I may need to order a cre projector in the next month.
It will be the cre or the Qumi.
I would say resolution is not the biggest deciding factor on image quality. But If you want a migraine try to watch underworld 1 or 2 on the acer 5360.



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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

Hmm, well with that 4:3 zoom and mechanical zoom set to smallest ; touching paper gives 1.5 Inch diagonal image
And 5inches way gives roughly a 3.5 Inch diagonal picture

Theres no other zoom. Functions is pretty basic.

Otherwise the previous measurment i took for normal 16:9 + mechanical zoom I posted earlier.

"Paper on lens gives roughly 2" screen, and from 5 Inches away from lens gives roughly a 5 inch screen."

(All measurements are diagonal)
post #881 of 1270
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild22 View Post

I use the duo on my plasma and my radiance is on my crt.
The nec XG1353lc

I have owned
infocus x1
infocus sp4805
benq w-500
and last was a
acer 5360
which was horrible for the rbe. I could live with the infocus's but the acer was not watchable.

Now the black level on my crt is insane. I have a pitch black room and zero light. On fade to black it is totaly black. I am afraid I will never upgrade because of the loss of fade to blacks. I have heard the jvc dilas are quite good just the same. I am fasinated with led projectors because as with crt they last a long time.

Even the jvcs can't come close to your nec. They are quiet and small, but motion resolution and black levels are still not close.
post #882 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

So you complain about badmouthing a particular unit... and in the same breath claim it is full of stolen I.P. Really dude?



What would they have stolen, the panels are sourced from epson, and i believe the lighting is sourced from luminous devices.... ??

I complain or bemoan something? I made no such claim but said I suspected as much about stolen tech. That is all. I do not care if they did or not so how is that complaining DUDE? I made no comments about how the first two units failed and had to be returned. I see my remarks found the right audience. Good night.
post #883 of 1270
The pictures of inside the X1000 should have revealed themself for the most part a unique design in cooling, and rare use of a sealed optics in a LCD projector.
Isnt it fair to say that the main driving parts are modular?
The epson D7 panel, the Luminus pt-120.

Even with the modular parts to make an awesome projector, the main stream companies still arent giving us the max life of whats availabe to be 60,000 hours, and instead want to give us 20,000 hours or worse yet under 5000.
Whats the the cost of a qumi replacement lamp or casio green slim replacement lamp? a 3rd the cost of new projector maybe?

Bet it wont be as affordable as a Luminus!.

The parts are readiliy available, but as per usual the main stream companies like to drag out the technology & make as much money as they can.

If there was another company that could do the combo of
3LCD & 3LED, well they arent doing it...+ we would have heard about it, as most companies announce between 6 months to 2+ years before they release.
post #884 of 1270
The qumi and casio use luminus for their leds,you could buy 3 qumis or 2 casios for what the cre cost.lots of pjs have protected light paths-there is a board on top of the path in the cre photos ,are they claiming a sealed light path?( was done first on a1000 lumen 3 led/lcd samsung projector about a year ago,and was probably the first rgb led/lcd ever and a bit of a flop).the 20,000-60,000 hour bulb argument is kinda silly,in 10 years ill get a new pj .
post #885 of 1270
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Originally Posted by eat meat View Post

The qumi and casio use luminus for their leds,you could buy 3 qumis or 2 casios for what the cre cost.lots of pjs have protected light paths-there is a board on top of the path in the cre photos ,are they claiming a sealed light path?( was done first on a1000 lumen 3 led/lcd samsung projector about a year ago,and was probably the first rgb led/lcd ever and a bit of a flop).the 20,000-60,000 hour bulb argument is kinda silly,in 10 years ill get a new pj .

I concur.
post #886 of 1270
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

If there was another company that could do the combo of
3LCD & 3LED, well they arent doing it...+ we would have heard about it, as most companies announce between 6 months to 2+ years before they release.

Not necessarily. Cedia is not till September. If any of the mainstream companies are releasing anything in this area, Cedia is where it will be revealed.

Personally, I'm hoping for something like this, but DLP based.
post #887 of 1270
Yeah I really only want the projector to last a year or 2 then upgrade. But during this time I do no want dimming bulbs.

I really on want the cre or qumi for 3d. And I have a funny feeling the cre will not do 3d so the qumi maybe my only option.





Quote:
Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

The pictures of inside the X1000 should have revealed themself for the most part a unique design in cooling, and rare use of a sealed optics in a LCD projector.
Isnt it fair to say that the main driving parts are modular?
The epson D7 panel, the Luminus pt-120.

Even with the modular parts to make an awesome projector, the main stream companies still arent giving us the max life of whats availabe to be 60,000 hours, and instead want to give us 20,000 hours or worse yet under 5000.
Whats the the cost of a qumi replacement lamp or casio green slim replacement lamp? a 3rd the cost of new projector maybe?

Bet it wont be as affordable as a Luminus!.

The parts are readiliy available, but as per usual the main stream companies like to drag out the technology & make as much money as they can.

If there was another company that could do the combo of
3LCD & 3LED, well they arent doing it...+ we would have heard about it, as most companies announce between 6 months to 2+ years before they release.
post #888 of 1270
I think it is interesting the difference between people that spend a lot on projectors and the people that buy the cheaper models. People who spend more tend to keep them longer, while people who spend less tend to keep them for shorter periods of time. If you buy 5 $500 projectors and are not happy, would you rather have bought one $2500 or one $3000 projector that you were happy with? On the flip side would someone who buys a $5000 or $10000 projetor be happy with the quality of the picture from a $500 or $1000 projector?

I know this is not diretly related, but in my mind it is. Many say this projector is too costly. I think it is a bargin if it works correctly.
post #889 of 1270
It took me 7 years before i decided to upgrade my PC. Up until last year i was running a single core p4 3ghz with AGP graphics.
its good that people can afford the 720p stop gap, tho think 720 will age badly. Thats all 720 is : a stop gap for 1080
I have no clue if my X1000 will survive 7-10 years but for me i`m in for the long haul.
post #890 of 1270
SMJ,

For HT I am the same upgrade every 5 to 10 years as new tech or format (Blu Ray BD) . computers every 5 to 7 I too was running a P4 2.4 ghz with AGP nvidia TI4400 and raid raptor drives. Now I have a 4 core core i7 920 2.53ghz with raid 0 raptor drives. (2.5 years old as well)
post #891 of 1270
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

It took me 7 years before i decided to upgrade my PC. Up until last year i was running a single core p4 3ghz with AGP graphics.
its good that people can afford the 720p stop gap, tho think 720 will age badly. Thats all 720 is : a stop gap for 1080
I have no clue if my X1000 will survive 7-10 years but for me i`m in for the long haul.

There are many 720p projectors I would rather have than some of the budget 1080ps that are out right now even.

But I get what you are saying.
post #892 of 1270
I actually find resolution to be far less important than black level , contrast and color accuracy. There is not that big of a difference in a 720p and 1080p entry level projector at resonable screen sizes. I have a 101' diagnol 16:9 and 720p and 1080p doesnt show a lot of difference. There is a small bit but nothing to get caught up in.


I think 1080p is a stop gap for 2k and 4k which will be here long before 7 years.

But for today if the cre will do 3d I will buy if not I will get the qumi!!!







Quote:
Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

It took me 7 years before i decided to upgrade my PC. Up until last year i was running a single core p4 3ghz with AGP graphics.
its good that people can afford the 720p stop gap, tho think 720 will age badly. Thats all 720 is : a stop gap for 1080
I have no clue if my X1000 will survive 7-10 years but for me i`m in for the long haul.
post #893 of 1270
I dont know of any lcd projector that will do 3d and is advertized to by the maker.
post #894 of 1270
Other than 3d you are going to be disappointed moving to a digital, just so you know.
post #895 of 1270
I am not moving to a digital. I only want the led for 3d and that is it. My crt is not going anywhere yet for a while!
I want to have the digital to play with not replace. That is why I am considering a cheap led instead of a dila
post #896 of 1270
I would get the native digital Acer that is on sale in europe IMO.


You won't need a computer or 300 dollar converter like the qumi, and even the Cre assuming it supports 3d(if it did, i would imagine they wouldn't hide this specification).
post #897 of 1270
I have a radiance that already converts 3d to whatever I want from 480p to 1080p at any refresh rate I like.
I will probably run the qumi at 1280X800 @ 120hz seeing that is its native resolution.
I really do not want a bulb. I had the acer 5360 and sold it with only 10 hrs on the bulb as I couldn't stomache the rbe from it. At that time I didnt have a crt so I am thinking a led for 3d along with my crt should be perfect.

Now I have a question seeing the qumi is 300 lumens what would that equate to in lamberts? I am getting around 11-12 from nec and that is plenty. Even with the 3d glasses I have no problem with that.

My nec works fine for 3d except I have a small blue band ontop of hte screen do to glasses timing. The radiance can fix this but |I would need to spend around 400 for a timing box so I really do not know if I should by a new led or the timing box.
post #898 of 1270
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildchild22 View Post

I have a radiance that already converts 3d to whatever I want from 480p to 1080p at any refresh rate I like.
I will probably run the qumi at 1280X800 @ 120hz seeing that is its native resolution.
I really do not want a bulb. I had the acer 5360 and sold it with only 10 hrs on the bulb as I couldn't stomache the rbe from it. At that time I didnt have a crt so I am thinking a led for 3d along with my crt should be perfect.

Now I have a question seeing the qumi is 300 lumens what would that equate to in lamberts? I am getting around 11-12 from nec and that is plenty. Even with the 3d glasses I have no problem with that.

My nec works fine for 3d except I have a small blue band ontop of hte screen do to glasses timing. The radiance can fix this but |I would need to spend around 400 for a timing box so I really do not know if I should by a new led or the timing box.

Can't answer that question unless we know the size and actual gain of your screen.
post #899 of 1270
101 inch diagnol 16:9
screen gain of 1.0
post #900 of 1270
My returned projector has been delivered in China. Waiting to hear back from Hans what happened to it, and whether they intend to repair or replace it.

I only care which from the standpoint of turnaround time; based on the violence with with the fuse blew (and the spare fuse when I installed it) either the power supply is fried, or an LED or LED driver shorted.
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