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post #991 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Bohanna View Post

Did I call this right on the money or what??

Bohanna,

Yep you certainly did. It took them awhile to get to it, tho now hopefully they make a solid projector that will stay on for many hours.

Recently i`m back to running it over 8 hours a day.

I did some calibration but really as theres no cms i am unable to move the white point.

I sent CRE an e-mail , and sent them a picture of how far out the color points are.

They replied:

I have showed the picture about gamut to our chief engineer , he is curious about the calibration equipment .

can you tell us the model no and the brand name of the equipment ?

Thank you so much . thanks for your good suggestion and e-valuation.


I have suggested calman 4 + the c6 or perhaps hiring an profesional calibrator.

If people pester them about fixing the colors, send them some messages i`m sure the x1000 would be a great contender.

heres some current pics from the series Dollhouse on bluray, this is the best ive had, even if the pics look a little yellow green.













post #992 of 1270
I have tried the x-rite i1profiler with the retail version of the i1display pro & then tried calman 4 with the spectracal oem.
The easiest one to use is the i1profiler. It is the cheaper of the 2 and gives a good attempt at color correction by creating an .ICM Lut file.

Using the calman 4 with the videoeq was a bit nightmarish, because it demands a 6500k temperature, i figured out the interface with some help, and even tried to calibrate using the primary colors by enabling the passthrough function.

Calman 4 i`m sure is good in conjunction with a proper access to the projectors own CMS, so had to rely on the videoeq however i expected better results of calman4, but sadly calman 4 is not a clever program, i had close to 40 attempts at calibration with calman and ended up with terrible results of color distortion turning the whites into pumpkin color.

The Xrite I1profiler tho limited, is a much more intelligent program in keeping colors in check

I was eventually lucky and managed to squeeze out a result out of calman focusing on the greyscale section only, and then finished by using the i1profiler to complete the calibration.

This is the setting i`m using now, whilst still not perfect, i do find that this has helped the brightness and contrast as some of the darker video scenes look more detailed than they had previously from using the i1profiler solo.

The blacks still seem chroma, and wondered even if the x1000 had its own CMS is this something that can be adjusted on regular projectors? whats involved how does it work.

From my e-mails to CRE it certainly does seem i was one of the few 1st customers, unwittingly turned beta tester!

CRE said they would look into their color points after i sent them pictures of their default color gamut.

I`d certainly like to know how the blacks work in relation to chroma.
Its my hope that once CRE are encouraged to sort their colors i will send back my x1000 to have its CMS adjusted.

The company seems to welcome feedback so really hope if anyone is condsidering purchsing one that the people / persons would message CRE and push/ encourage them. Hopefully if someone can write them pushing the color issues & wave a wad of cash promising to buy one, CRE will hire/ train their technician to be able to color calibrate.

Ive probably spent more money that i should have in this pursuit, but hope ive paved the way for others in having a lastable projector able to stay on for upto 12 hours, and eventually a perfectly calibrated projector straight out of the box.
post #993 of 1270
SMJ,

The reason you are getting better results from the Xrite software is you are building an external LUT file to compensate for the poor tables/levels, etc in the projector. This profile adds red, or subtracts green to try and get the projector within standards.

Calman works great, however, you have to have the ability to change the colors and settings in the projector or the video processor, however, Home theater products need to be within a correctable range before Calman or a VP can be used.

The CRE is so far out of standard that an average VP and or Calman cannot fixit on their own. This is a projector shortfall not the software. For you Xrite profiler is much better, but for people whom do not use a HTPC they cannot use profiler as the table is stored on the computer and uses the computer processor to do the math.

Hopefully Hans will upgrade your projector for free since you have helpsed so much... you should at least ask.

best of luck.
post #994 of 1270
Hi Guys,

I am in need of a backup projector. As the JVC RS40 bulb issue touched me personally, I realized I need to seriously get myself a backup projector (yup, turning into an HD addict ). I have actually been thinking about this for some time already, mainly to get a unit for episodes/junk/lower quality content and even temporarily had the Dell M110, but never settled on a model.

I am looking now at potentially getting this one but it's hard to justify the rather high price for a unit of unknown quality (seems that there have been a few lemons) and the specs may not be entirely true.

So I've got a few questions:

1. What is the real contrast ratio of the Cre X1000? Does it have some form of dynamic contrast feature (iris, led power control, etc)?

2. What is the best way to purchase this Cre X1000 PJ? (Please PM me if necessary to uphold forum rules)

3. Any advice on which of these or other LED/Laser PJ I should go with?
a) One of the CRE X1000 models (1080p, quiet, vertical lens shift)
b) Casio's XJ-{A or M}240 (like the high brightness)
c) One of the 720p LED clones [if so, which one?] (???)
post #995 of 1270
The simple answer is if you are using a JVC anything new or old you will be extremely disappointed with the PQ, in every way. Look elsewhere for a backup. There are not a few lemons... the projector as a whole is a lemon. Almost everything listed on the spec page should have an * after it as they are component specs and not what you will actually get from the pj.
post #996 of 1270
just done reading most of the thread...

Sellmejunk Great work on reviewing it

i have just one question left, since you seemed to have quite the misconvergence problems in the earlier pictures

could you please use this picture at real size (1920x1080) and make a close (no zoom) photo of the 1x1 pixels (left row bottom) ?
post #997 of 1270
MCaugusto ?

The only thing that concerns me about using LCDs for projectors is the degrading of the LCD panels.
If it was not for the color degradation of LCDs I would have jump on buying a LCD projector a long time ago.
That's why I rather go with a DLP projector but since they are not willing to make a DLP projector with 1080P resolution that is fairly priced for the masses then people have to wait.
post #998 of 1270
My brothers and I would take apart old tube TVs , radios and cars when we were young, can't figure out why my mom and dad would get upset.
post #999 of 1270
Smoking will also cause the tar in the smoke to build up inside the projector and will collect dust and dirt on it so if you do use the projector as I do I go outside and smoke until I put my projector away.
post #1000 of 1270
By smoking smoke can also get on the lens, not good for the lens.
post #1001 of 1270
Losha, how much would it cost to get a properly working unit to the Netherlands...

If one get's hit with the full customs duty plus value added tax, I bet it would be darn close to the 3K the Viewsonic rep quoted at ISE this week, for the new Hybrid LASER/LED 1080P HT DLP they plan on releasing this June. And if one has to sent it back, it might even be more expensive than the Viewsonic.

1200 specced lumens, but I have my doubts as the image wasn't particularly bright. So would have to wait for an actual measurement to see how much they actually get out of it. It was shown at better contrast to brightness ratio than the Casio Hybrid, that are geared toward the presentation and classroom markets.

Even 5 months prior to release it looked more finished than this CRE. So, I would wait if I was looking into an 1080 solid state lighting projector.

@DLPfan Inorganic LCD panles should not show the traditional degradation of organic panels.
post #1002 of 1270
SMJ how much are they paying you for being your performance and Quality Assurance consultant, should be a lot;-).
post #1003 of 1270
I stayed on the sidelines and waited when the clone 500 Lumen DLP projectors came out last year to wait for a true 1080 P LED DLP projector.
Yes this 3 LED 3 LCD panel projector looks promising but I think I'll stick with the DLP technology because it's still more reliable than LCDs.
DLPs can also switch faster than LCDs ? is that true ? and better blacks and contrast.
But if the new Viewsonic is a disappointment then I'll jump in and buy this 3 LCD 3 LED 1080 P projector.
Can we say that buying a new bulb and color wheel is a thing of the past now ?
post #1004 of 1270
Hi Guys Am new here and my 1 writing here
I have read this tread and talk to hans in china and ask if he make eny improvment in the machine after al who happand and the answer was yes
He also send me this video who is the PLX model 100000.1 3000
I put it upp in my site in youtube for al to see
cant copy and put in videon here , not alow me
so just write in you tube "mrsvetsare" and you can see this smal movie a get from Hans


Peter
post #1005 of 1270
Peter,

I would be very warry of this projector. The colors are fine for annimation, but real world film it still looks bad. The colors are so far off and there is no CMS to correct them.

The colors look better, but I would ask Hans if there is a real working cms. If not still stay away.
post #1006 of 1270
This thread is too damn long to read.

Bottom line, does the CRE-X1000NX really put out 3000 lumens?


I would suspect other manufacturers will be selling similar projectors soon. If Mitsubishi used this light engine for their WD92840 92" rear projection TV, it should be very bright and a good seller with that bulb longevity.

I would hope that Epson will be using only LEDs and or lasers by next year.
post #1007 of 1270
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

This thread is too damn long to read.

Bottom line, does the CRE-X1000NX really put out 3000 lumens?


I would suspect other manufacturers will be selling similar projectors soon. If Mitsubishi used this light engine for their WD92840 92" rear projection TV, it should be very bright and a good seller with that bulb longevity.

I would hope that Epson will be using only LEDs and or lasers by next year.

From what I understand in video mode you will get somewhere around 1000 lumens from this projector but that is subjective guess and really not an indicator since lumens has really become sort of a buzz word along with contrast ratio.

If you look at the pictures SMJ has posted its throws a pretty good image for an LED projector. The thing that is a concern is the organic panels especially the blue one could breakdown over time. Epson makes inorganic panels that are supposed to be much better but they don't sell them to other manufactures. depending on what you can buy if for this seems to be a pretty good bang for the buck and the company's response to its customers has been pretty good

Bohanna
post #1008 of 1270
The quoted 3000+ lumens are the parts listing for the phatlite chipset at the source. Think of it as measuring horse power at the flywheel verse rear wheel power.

You loose a lot of light going through the entire light engine. the Runco, SIm2, PD, DP, Vango, etc ALL use the same chipset and not of them have managed to get anything over 800 calibrated D65 lumens out of their LED projectors.

Does this one do 1000 NO!
Does it do 900 NO
800 NO
700 probably not
600 probably not
500 maybe
400 good chance it does

If you look at the contrast, shadow detail, and colors compared to the Samsung LED projector this one is NOT worth buying unless you get it for very little.
post #1009 of 1270
Thanks
post #1010 of 1270
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

[b]

I would suspect other manufacturers will be selling similar projectors soon. If Mitsubishi used this light engine for their WD92840 92" rear projection TV, it should be very bright and a good seller with that bulb longevity.

I would hope that Epson will be using only LEDs and or lasers by next year.

mits has nothing to do with this pj,the mits are dlp and woblers at that,epson just put out new pjs,no led or laser stuff expected from them.
post #1011 of 1270
Has this new model improved since last year?
Amazon has a 30 day customer satisfaction return policy.

I am thinking of trying it out?

http://www.amazon.com/CRE-X1000NX-Na.../dp/B006OIJQV6
post #1012 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laredo View Post

Has this new model improved since last year?
Amazon has a 30 day customer satisfaction return policy.

I am thinking of trying it out?

http://www.amazon.com/CRE-X1000NX-Na.../dp/B006OIJQV6

Laredo that is a 3rd party seller link, not Amazon.com AFAICT, and so you should contact the seller directly and find-out their return policy to make certain.

IMO $2 grand is an awful lot of money for this pj, to "try it out".
post #1013 of 1270
According to Amazon store policy any product posted on their site is covered by their buy/sell rules.

That includes this projector and shipping costs to return if not satisfied within 30 days.

The question is does this model have any changes or improvements over last year? No doubt the specs make me drool!

Can't someone do a real review of this model?
post #1014 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laredo View Post

Can't someone do a real review of this model?

Until the manufacturer sets up distribution and support in some significant way, there will only be a small handful of buyers and no reason for any 3rd parties to expend energy reviewing the thing.

What you see here is all you get for now.
post #1015 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laredo View Post

The question is does this model have any changes or improvements over last year? No doubt the specs make me drool!

Can't someone do a real review of this model?

I believe The reviews of this have been pretty extensive from the beginning of this thread. There were originally some placement of the Blue LCD panel issues which has been reparied and modified there was a question of SMJ's original mounting of the unit on top of a heat creating SONy Receiver but the factory took the unit back and they seem to have worked out the issues, We know that the specks are pretty blown out of proportion but this unit is not junk as the roving travler would have you beleive and the images that it casts are pretty respectable. I would try and contact SMJ through his youtube channel if he doesn't reply here and see how the unit is preforming. I would also try and contact SG SG's HDHTPC as well. I think its bit over the top for the Roving traveler to write as many negative comments about this unit as he has considering that to the best of my knowledge he hasn't owned one and his opinions are second hand. I think its WAY over the top to go on Amazon and write a customer review of the unit since he wasn't one of Crees customers. The theory behind the unit is a three LED LCD unit that out lasts conventional projectors at a price that takes replacement lamps off the table forever. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that this is the best quality projector on the market but for the price I think its far and above what everybody else is doing at this price point. The casios seem to be OK for some things but there are many RBE complaints from actual users and the LG's and the M500 LED clones are not to bright compared to this one. I would imagine that they have worked out most of the bugs with this machine by now. My only concern is that Epson who makes the panels doesn't offer the inorganic panels to any outside vendors so you may not get the 60K hours advertised. I don't think that any body can offer a light source that will last 60 K hours but I may be wrong

Hope this Helps

Bohanna
post #1016 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laredo View Post

According to Amazon store policy any product posted on their site is covered by their buy/sell rules. That includes this projector and shipping costs to return if not satisfied within 30 days.

Not third party returns, that's a horse of a different color.

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While most sellers offer a returns policy equivalent to Amazon.com's, some seller returns policies may vary.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...deId=200679660
post #1017 of 1270
I thought giving a one star review to a product on Amazon you haven't ordered yourself was also "way over the top". Especially since this is a newer model?
The sales staff at CRE must be upset about that.

Now I'm afraid to order the CRE X1000 without a recent current review.

I think we are about 8 weeks away from the Viewsonic roll out of their LED, 1080P, 1000 Lumen HD projector.

I hope Viewsonic gets it right! I'll wait.
post #1018 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laredo View Post

I thought giving a one star review to a product on Amazon you haven't ordered yourself was also "way over the top". Especially since this is a newer model?
The sales staff at CRE must be upset about that.

Now I'm afraid to order the CRE X1000 without a recent current review.

I think we are about 8 weeks away from the Viewsonic roll out of their 1080P, 1000 Lumen HD projector.

I hope Viewsonic gets it right! I'll wait.

The correct term for what The Roving traveler did is called "Seagulling". This makes me wonder if this happens a lot on the rest of the items that Amazon sells. It also makes me wonder if this happens with competitors trying to undermine their competition. Its one thing to make statements on a website designed to help others like this one. Its another thing entirely to take the time and take pot shots at a product that you don't even own, especially since the readers assume that YOU Do! Pretty deceptive if you ask me.

Bohanna
post #1019 of 1270
Hard to know why someone takes the time to write a carelessly assembled one-star review, unless maybe he/she/it has gotten badly burned by the seller and has a vendetta to pursue.

Regardless, I would never buy a $2000 projector from a supplier that sells the nickel/dime stuff that is the rest of Buy Here Click Here's portfolio of products. Better to deal factory-direct, as others have done here, if you really want to go this route.
post #1020 of 1270
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Hard to know why someone takes the time to write a carelessly assembled one-star review, unless maybe he/she/it has gotten badly burned by the seller and has a vendetta to pursue.

OCD perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

Regardless, I would never buy a $2000 projector from a supplier that sells the nickel/dime stuff that is the rest of Buy Here Click Here's portfolio of products. Better to deal factory-direct, as others have done here, if you really want to go this route.

I agree the trouble is if you google it and Amazon comes up that could be a death blow to a potential client. I would suspect that before spending 2K on a projector the user would do their own homework but its still a pretty huge strike against the projector from the get go.

Bohanna
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