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ViewSonics 3D DLP (720p/120hz) HDMI 1.4 converter

post #1 of 66
Thread Starter 
Information is sparce at this time, but it looks as though the ViewSonic VP3D1 (SRP $299) will do the same primary conversion as the Optoma's 3DXL, in that it converts HDMI 1.4 3D content to 720p/120hz for 3-D ready 720p DLP projectors.

http://www.viewsonic.com/ces2011/projectors.htm
http://www.viewsonic.com/company/new...ase_454705.htm

Still no word if the ViewSonic will offer the other features of the Optoma 3DXL converter, which are listed below:

* Converting of SbS ("paytv") 3-D content, which may not be HDMI 1.4 encoded.

* Offering 1080p selectable left or right view output options

* An emitter output for IR based 3-D glasses
post #2 of 66
Not bad, still little pricey, but it could come with a 1-2 pairs of glasses which would make it worth it... Otherwise without glasses, I ain't looking at this till its 199 or less.

They better not pull the same bs as mitsubishi and their EDID locked HDMI 1.4 converter.
post #3 of 66
*MAN* these things are coming out of the woodwork!
post #4 of 66
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by disolitude View Post
They better not pull the same bs as mitsubishi and their EDID locked HDMI 1.4 converter.

I don't think that will be an issue. From one of the links above:

"Compatible with any 3D-Ready DLP Link projectors equipped with HDMI input"
post #5 of 66
Just Projectors (I'm not allowed to post a URL yet) in the UK have the VP3D1 listed. I asked them when they might get some and they said 300 would arrive in the third week of March. I don't know how true that is.

Viewsonic has been completely not helpful when I've called their sales dept, they simply say "We have no information about unreleased products". Thanks.

The 3D-XL still hasn't shipped within the US but should by the end of this month.

And now Acer has announced a 1.4a compliant projector H5360BD which will eliminate the need for a 3DXL or VP3D1 converter/adapter. Its supposed to cost around $800 (total speculation) which would mean the projector component is $550 (based on the 1.3 H5360) and the 1.4a component $250. So it seems getting the projector and adapter separate or together will be about the same price.

No easy decision: 3DXL vs VP3D1 vs sell my projector (my wife would not be happy as this would be my third projector upgrade in a year) and get the H5360BD

Hmmmm.....
post #6 of 66
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Originally Posted by 3Dophile View Post

No easy decision: 3DXL vs VP3D1 vs sell my projector (my wife would not be happy as this would be my third projector upgrade in a year) and get the H5360BD
Hmmmm.....

I have the H5360 too and i'm doubting about getting the H5360BD or the 3DXL or the VP3D1.

I found more specs btw:

http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/uk/pr...3D1-PGD250.pdf



The difference's i found, out of the specs of the VP3D1 vs the 3DXL are:
VP3D1: Glasses are not included
3DXL: Includes ZD201

Glasses:
Optoma ZD201: Weight: 50g, Battery 1x CR2032
ViewSonic PGD250: Weight 39g, Battery rechargeable via USB

3D Video Compatibility
(I don't know if it's an error or if the 3DXL really does not handle 1080p SBS)
3DXL:
3D Video Compatibility Side-by-Side:1080i50, 1080i60
VP3D1:
3D Video Compatibility Side-by-Side: 1080i@50Hz, 1080p@60Hz

Firmware Update:
3DXL: RS232
VP3D1: USB

I prefer the design of the VP3D1, that the glasses are USB rechargeable and it uses USB to upgrade the firmware just a shame it does not include the glasses like 3DXL.
post #7 of 66
Has to be an error...HDMI 1.4 doesn't have the bandwidth to handle it...

It's nothing with current generation hardware, the spec and the chipset are incapable of handling the bandwidth.
post #8 of 66
That's not true - 1080p@60hz side-by-side is not a problem for the hdmi spec any more than 1080p@60 is. It doesn't add any more bandwidth, you just lose half horizontal resolution.
post #9 of 66
ShopBLT is shipping mine today, I already have a tracking number.
post #10 of 66
Nice. Do a full review please...

Maybe make an official owners thread too?

My 3D-XL seems to be fine for me so far though. But I always have people asking me about different products after a serious 3D screening.
post #11 of 66
My initial budget was $1100.00. I was already looking at the VIP Displayer which was $299 plus an additional $130 for the glasses and emitter which will turn my current projector 60hz Sony BW5 to 3D. But as I lurked around the forum I've seen some issues with flicker and ghosting. I didnt want to be frustrated with my first try on 3D and didnt have any extra cash to try things out. So next step was to look for a 3d ready projector. I wanted to get the Optoma HD66 but opted for the Acer H5360 mainly because of price. They both have similar specs but theres $100-$150 difference in price. I was able to purchase the Acer at Newegg for $535 shipped with a bundled projector mount. I then ordered the 3d glasses at Ultimate3dheaven for $50 a piece plus $5.00 shipping. Next decision was the 3D adapter. VIP displayer vs Optoma 3DXL. I didnt look at the viewsonic mainly because I did not have any info. Tru3d was offering the 3DXL for $299 less the 3D glasses plus $20 shipping. So now as far as price goes the VIP Displayer and Optoma were at the same price. In the end I went with the Optoma due to SBS and Top and bottom 3D support which the VIP displayer is not able to do unless you get the theater for $500.

I got everything hooked up and like one other avs members reaction, I was jumping like a little girl when the 3D image hit my 92inch $12.00 screen. The blacks were black no ghosting or flicker. Its just amazing!

For a little over $950 I got a 92" 3D hometheater I will be ordering 3 more glasses from Ultimate3Dheaven with the $150 left over.

Projector: Acer H5360 $535.00 Shipped
3D Adapter: Optoma 3DXL (no glasses included) $320.00 Shipped
3D Glasses: 2 qty Ultra Clear DLP Link $104.00 Shipped
Screen: 92" Parkland Plastics Polywall White $12.00 Menards
3D Source:Sony PS3
Receiver: Pioneer Elite VSX 82TXS
Speakers: Deftech BP7002
Deftech CLR 2000
4 qty Deftech BPX
3 qty Deftech Powerfield sub


Issues:
If I have the PS3 going to the receiver - 3DXL - Projector
I am able to play 3D games and VUDU. Not able to play 3D Bluray
If I have the PS3 going to 3DXL - Receiver - Projetor
3D does not work for 3D games or 3D bluray.

Future upgrade might be the Depth Q Polarizing modulator $1500 right now but if price goes down to $500 I'm definately getting one

This is just my experience.
post #12 of 66
I finally received my VP3D1 yesterday after hearing about the possibility of such an adapter back in November.

My setup:
Viewsonic VP3D1 3D Adapter
Da-lite 70" wide screen (cheapo $54 unit from Amazon)
Viewsonic PJD6531w Projector ~100 hours
2x PGD-250 3D Glasses
Sony S570 3DBD Player
5 year old Sony A/V receiver for audio only
Polk Audio Speakers and Sub
15' Cheapo 1.3 HDMI cable from VP3D1 to projector
Distance from Projector to screen: 10', max zoom, on coffee table in front of us

I unboxed it and setup it up in 3 minutes, it couldn't have been easier. I put in Tangled 3D and ... it didn't work. I had all kinds of problems with my PGD-250 glasses. No sync, then sync for 3-5 seconds, followed by no sync at 5 feet. Ugh. Then after 10 minutes of feeling defeated I went in the projector menu to increase the brightness, that's where I found it, the 3D mode was set to 3D-Vision. I changed it to DLP-Link and WOW!

It was amazing.

The 3D Pop was much better than I expected. Tangled looked incredible, Tron 3D menu looked really good too. The colors were rich, the contrast very good, and there was zero ghosting problems. This was at 3:30pm on a bright day with tons of ambient light. I was able to go back 19 feet into my kitchen before I started to lose sync. The glasses work perfectly (contrary to some reviews). I could even turn my head to talk to my wife for as long as I wanted and when I turned back the sync never left. The experience was perfect except for a little headache at first which quickly went away.

I am already ready to go Polarized, but I'll wait for a sub $1000 solution that makes sense, and a future projector that integrates 1.4a capabilities.

To sum up:
* 3D Pop was very, very good
* Colors were vibrant, constrast good
* Setup was easy
* PGD-250s worked flawlessly, as far as 19 feet with ambient light
* Tangled 3D is one of the best movies to experience the best of 3D today
* Projection is the way to do the 3D Immersive Experience!
* My wife loved it

...coming up next Tron 3D on Friday night! then I'm going to borrow my brother-in-law's PS3 for some 3D gaming.
post #13 of 66
You will love Tron.... I can't emphasize to people enough how easy and good the 720p 3D DLP projectors are at this 3D thing....
post #14 of 66
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Originally Posted by 3Dophile View Post

I finally received my VP3D1 yesterday after hearing about the possibility of such an adapter back in November.

Have you tried any of the 3D broadcast services such as DirectV, Comcast, or ESPN3D yet? If so, how did that work??
post #15 of 66
I just received my VP3D1 yesterday and gave it a quick spin. I was using a HTPC 3D bluray but had many issues with hang-ups, crashes, hiccups, etc. Everytime I wanted to watch something it was a 50/50 shot as to if it would just start up without issue or would it crash and require 20-30 minutes of tinkering to get it working.

The VP3D1 appears to have solved all that for me. The picture quality looks just as good as the HTPC. Plus now I can do PS3 games and watch 3D from FIOS. Right now all I could find on FIOS was HBO video on demand. They have Avatar, Monsters vs Aliens and a few others, all free if you are an HBO subscriber. I though Avatar looked just as good as the 3D bluray.

There was one issue though with my FIOS box. It was setup for 720p output and in this mode the VP3D1 SBS mode would not activate. I had to set my FIOS box to output 1080i for the VP3D1 to recognize the SBS 3D format and process accordingly.

I picked the VP3D1 over the 3DXL becaue I had a big amazon store credit and I couldn't find the 3DXL on amazon for a decent price. I already have DLP link glasses so the lack of an emitter on the VP3D1 didn't bother me. Beach Audio had it in stock and cheaper than the 3DXL so I got it from them.

There was a small issue with the case on the VP3D1. The front display bezel wasn't not attached to the main case correctly. It has metal tabs that align the front bezel piece to the metal case and one of the tabs was not engaged so the front bezel was protuding. Easily fixed but annoying.

My setup is a Acer H5360 projector, panasonic DMP-BT110 3D bluray player, FIOS HD box, and Denon 791 3D capable receiver. I have a PS3 that I'll be relocating to the basement soon to use for 3D games (any recommendations for good 3D games?)

I wasn't sure if I should put the VP3D1 between the receiver and the projector or between the source components (bluray/fios) and the receiver. I ran it after the receiver. Is there any benefit to doing it one way or another? I'm assuming since my reciever is 1.4 capable I can let it do all of my source swithing and then run the output to the VP3D1 to the projector.

For those without a 1.4 capable receiver the VP3D1 has two inputs so you can use it to switch two HDMI sources. There is no remote though so you need to manually switch from HDMI1 to HDMI2 via buttons on the front panel.

I'm much happier with this setup than the old HTPC approach. With the HTPC setup there was no way that my wife or kids would be able to watch something on their own with my help gettting it all up and running. Now the kids will be able to do it on their own. My wife will still likley need help though. She still has issues changing the input on the upstairs TV to swtich from bluray to FIOS.
post #16 of 66
I wonder if this will work with my Marantz VP-11s2 dlp projector.
post #17 of 66
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Originally Posted by Francis Medina View Post

I wonder if this will work with my Marantz VP-11s2 dlp projector.

The Viewsonic is for 3D ready projectors that can display 120hz 3D using DLPlink. What you might consider is the VIP Theater (see threads in the 3D Tech Talk forum). It creates 3D for both 60hz and 120hz projectors. That said, the Marantz rated at on 850 lumens would be cut in half or more for 3D, thus the image would probably be way too dark at 60hz, plus you would deal with flicker and some ghosting.
post #18 of 66
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

...That said, the Marantz rated at on 850 lumens would be cut in half or more for 3D, thus the image would probably be way too dark at 60hz, plus you would deal with flicker and some ghosting.

Active 3D cuts light by at least 75%. Half is taken up by the polarizers in the glasses (the shutters are LCD based), then half again due to the fact that each eye is only exposed to the picture half of the time. Then, to reduce it even more, you have the open/close time of the shutters which can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.
post #19 of 66
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

Active 3D cuts light by at least 75%. Half is taken up by the polarizers in the glasses (the shutters are LCD based), then half again due to the fact that each eye is only exposed to the picture half of the time. Then, to reduce it even more, you have the open/close time of the shutters which can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.

While the light might be physically cut 75% or more, it appears only about half to me in my eperience--perhaps an illusion--just as 720p in 3D appears to double the resolution. Others have stated this as well. That said, it is clearly an advantage to have a projector with at least 2,500 stated lumens to start with.
post #20 of 66
I am currently using an HTPC 3Dblu-ray setup. My fiancee and I were watching a 3D movie last week and it hung up in the middle of the movie and I couldn't get it to play again without hanging up in the same spot. Then the 3D function crapped out completely. Needless to say I was highly annoyed so now I am looking at something different. I still want to keep my PC connected for game playing with Nvidia 3D vision though which has worked flawlessly. I see that the VP3D1 has two hdmi inputs so would I be able to connect my computer output to one of them and connect a 3D blu-ray player to the other and use the Nvidia 3D vision setup for computer games and the blu-ray player with dlp link for movies? I have an HD66 projector so I would think that as long as I change the projector setting back and forth from 3D vision to DLP link that this would work. Anyone know for sure? Thanks!
post #21 of 66
Ace gamer this may or may not be useful but I tried doing something similar with my 3dxl and I could not pass the pc's nvidia 3d through it (2d was fine though). In the 3dxl's case there seems to be an expectation that nobody would want to feed It frame sequential since that is what it outputs. Not very forward thinking optima. To solve the problem I just put a cheap 2 into one splitter in front of the hd66's hdmi input and put the 3dxl on one and the PC on the other to preserve the pc's straight through route to the projector (auto or manual switches too). Wasn't even a '3d' splitter just a regular one. The pc's 3d passes through the splitter without a problem. It could well be that the view sonic has more flexible pass through and will deal with this better. But if it doesn't that will be your solution.
post #22 of 66
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Originally Posted by TK421 View Post

....To solve the problem I just put a cheap 2 into one splitter in front of the hd66's hdmi input and put the 3dxl on one and the PC on the other to preserve the pc's straight through route to the projector (auto or manual switches too). Wasn't even a '3d' splitter just a regular one. The pc's 3d passes through the splitter without a problem. It could well be that the view sonic has more flexible pass through and will deal with this better. But if it doesn't that will be your solution.

Thanks for the tip TK421! Do you happen to have a link for the splitter that you bought? I suspect that the viewsonic will have the same problem.
post #23 of 66
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Originally Posted by acegamer View Post


Thanks for the tip TK421! Do you happen to have a link for the splitter that you bought? I suspect that the viewsonic will have the same problem.

No drama's . Hopefully the viewsonic might be a little better thought out. I do have a link:

http://dicksmith.com.au/product/LA46...-hdmi-switcher

But since i'm in Australia it might take a little while to get to you

One good thing about this one is that it doesn't need an external power supply (kind of explains why plugged in hdmi cables sometimes "bite" lol)

As I mentioned it autoswitches in addition to being directly / remotely switchable which is handy. It's also rated at 10.2gbps which is hdmi's max I think.

seriously though I'm sure you could find something equivalent in the states for half this price no trouble.

I would get the viewsonic in your hands first then try to pass 3d though and see if you need one (although apparently I'm clairvoyant since I bought mine before the 3dxl purely on suspicion it might not pass through and I was correct )

Glad I could help!

Cheers

TK
post #24 of 66
Can this converter play 3D sbs from my pc with Powerdvd10?
post #25 of 66
Confused. Is this a rebranded and slightly cheaper optoma 3d-xl or is it different hardware. Thx
post #26 of 66
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Originally Posted by yes dear View Post

Confused. Is this a rebranded and slightly cheaper optoma 3d-xl or is it different hardware. Thx

Different hardware. The overview is listed in the first post, and some of the differences are listed in the sixth.
post #27 of 66
I had a chance to hookup the VP3D1 yesterday to Comcast cable and my ACER H 5360 set to DLPlink 3D. I switched to Xfinity 3D channel SBS and it would not work. The SBS button would not light up after pushing it. I glanced at the front panel of the cable box and noticed it was set to 720p. I then booted up my computer to check out the install guide and input resolutions (see those below). So SBS has to be 1080i. I switched the cable box to 1080i, pushed the SBS buttion and it worked! I then switched to ESPN 3D which is broadcast in top/bottom. I pushed the SBS button off, but the screen would not go 3D. I looked at the input chart and it requires 720p for top/bottom, so I switched to 720p, turned the box off and on, but it would not translate the signal. The manual says it will handle 2D SBS, but says nothing about 2D top/bottom, so I'm thinking that since the cable box is 1.3 and not 1.4a, the top/bottom is 2D and not recognized by the VP3D1. I will try again tonight, but if that is true the VP3D1 will limit cable viewing to SBS only. I have a PC for 3D bluray, so that's not an issue. The box itself is much bigger than I expected and has two hdmi inputs, one hdmi output, a usb port for firmware upgrades and power source input. The front has on/off button, hdmi1 button, hdmi2 button and SBS button.

http://www.viewsonic.com/assets/110/21664.pdf


Signal mode Resolution (H x V )Vertical Frequency(Hz) 3D format type
720p 1280 x 720 50Hz Frame packing
720p 1280 x 720 50Hz Top-and-Bottom
720p 1280 x 720 60Hz Frame packing
720p 1280 x 720 60Hz Top-and-Bottom
1080i 1920 x 1080 60Hz Side-by-Side (Half)
1080i 1920 x 1080 50Hz Side-by-Side (Half)
1080p 1920 x 1080 24Hz Frame packing
1080p 1920 x 1080 24Hz Top-and-Bottom

Oh, and there is a rebate form to send in to get a pair of free glasses--I see that's an issue for some people.
post #28 of 66
Thanks for the review, interested in this. Let us know the status of espn 3d issue.
post #29 of 66
Is there also a selection for 3D TnB format in the projector?
post #30 of 66
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Is there also a selection for 3D TnB format in the projector?

No, the projector is not 1.4 compliant. Newer versions of the ACER H5360 will be.

Meaning it needs a 120hz 3D frame sequential signal sent to it to operate. Thus a processor has to take the 3D input and translate it into 120hz 3D for the projector to show it in 3D. An updated model of the H5360 has a 1.4a processor builtin which will take different 3D inputs and process it into 120hz 3D.
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