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post #1021 of 1546
^ That was my point - his US based doctor told him he had to get operated on within a week. He was on his way back to the US - he already quit. Why detour all the way to Hanoi and risk further injury?
post #1022 of 1546
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^ That was my point - his US based doctor told him he had to get operated on within a week. He was on his way back to the US - he already quit. Why detour all the way to Hanoi and risk further injury?
I would guess he had plenty of time to get back without risking too much of a chance of further injury. He was on crutches, not walking on his injured foot. And, he didn't officially quit until they stood on the mat in Hanoi.

I would have done exactly the same thing, given the chance.
post #1023 of 1546
I think Vietnam might still be on a banned list (like Cuba) for US citizens under normal circumstances, so AI [gads, I said AI, instead of TAR, I'm not sure what that means from a Freudian Slip angle] might be one of the few ways an ordinary Joe would be able to see Vietnam.

Also, from Bali they knew there was going to be a couple of interconnecting flights with different carriers, so extremely long layovers are a necessity to ensure that flight delays and custom delays don't cause you to miss a flight. Might as well do the one of those long layovers somewhere really interesting and unusual like Vietnam. (especially when someone else is paying for the plane tickets biggrin.gif )

And personally, I like flying Lufthansa on International jumps, so I'd intentionally try to pick a flight from Bali that put me somewhere that is serviced by Lufthansa to Frankfurt and then to the USA and try to avoid Heathrow (which is a horrible place to have to connect through),
Edited by Mac The Knife - 3/18/13 at 2:14pm
post #1024 of 1546
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I think Vietnam might still be on a banned list (like Cuba) for US citizens under normal circumstances, so AI [gads, I said AI, instead of TAR, I'm not sure what that means from a Freudian Slip angle] might be one of the few ways an ordinary Joe would be able to see Vietnam.

It isn't -- the US has full diplomatic and trade relations with Vietnam. I seriously doubt TAR would travel there if relations were like Cuba or Iran. You can book a hotel on Travelocity, and American Airlines and Delta both fly there.
post #1025 of 1546
The Amazing Race was also in Vietnam in "Season 10" which aired in 2006.
post #1026 of 1546
Also in season 3. Racer Ian was a Vietnam vet, and some of his reflections were very heartfelt. It was also the scene of the infamous Flo meltdown and the sad sad elimination of Derek and Drew.

(What a season. The utterly evil Heather and Eve ("Heave"). Jill and John Vito. Ken and Gerard, for whom the phrase "baldsnarking the detour" was named.)
post #1027 of 1546
CBS needs to apologize to Vietnam vets for having the B-52 crash site as a backdrop to the contestants and also having the Communist propaganda song being played not only as part of a task but also during the closing credits. I am not a Vietnam vet but was two years short from being drafted for that conflict and I found it to be very disturbing and insulting to the vets living and dead.

My wife and I have not missed a single episode of this show but if there is no formal apology from CBS we will never watch Amazing Race again and probably CBS again for that matter.
post #1028 of 1546
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CBS needs to apologize to Vietnam vets for having the B-52 crash site as a backdrop to the contestants and also having the Communist propaganda song being played not only as part of a task but also during the closing credits. I am not a Vietnam vet but was two years short from being drafted for that conflict and I found it to be very disturbing and insulting to the vets living and dead.

My wife and I have not missed a single episode of this show but if there is no formal apology from CBS we will never watch Amazing Race again and probably CBS again for that matter.
I don't disagree with your position, but have you contacted CBS?
post #1029 of 1546
As a Vet from Camp Holloway, 4th Infantry Division, Pleiku Province, Central Highlands .. until you mentioned this, I never gave it a second thought ..

the War is long over
post #1030 of 1546
I have a niece who was recently made a missions trip to Vietnam. My dad is a Nam vet , my wife's dad was a Korean War vet; neither of us really thought about the AR memorial U-turn segment as being offensive.
post #1031 of 1546
I had a high lottery number (337) and was in school at the time. But I also thought that using the B-52 monument as well as the pro-communist lyrics were in poor taste. rolleyes.gif
post #1032 of 1546
The lyrics were silly. It seems like Vietnam is trying to do what China did, which is economic development through trade with the West, vs. North Korea, which is still caught in the old Communist mentality, hostile to the West and the rest of the world.

I'm sure they're proud of their own history but despite those lyrics, presumably they welcome American tourists and their money there.


As for the B-52 monument, maybe there isn't many other distinctive monuments in that city? If you're nationalistic, you might be offended that they commemorate some tactical victory over Americans. But you have to respect the fact that they could take down a B-52, as outgunned as they were. The B-52s did far more damage than they took on though.
post #1033 of 1546
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

But I also thought that using the B-52 monument as well as the pro-communist lyrics were in poor taste. rolleyes.gif
+1
post #1034 of 1546
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+1

+2

I don't have any close relatives that were in Vietnam, & I was too young by about 10 years, but I thought the monument and song were odd and a little disturbing. Even my wife commented on it. confused.gif
post #1035 of 1546
I thought it was a way to remind Americans of the conflict that occurred in which so many gave their lives. It is also an interesting metaphor that what we may believe today to be the end of the world might not turn out that way.

As for the song, it praises the young generation and reminds them of their duty to do well for their country. Something our young generation could use to see when they aren't too busy texting their bff over the near-nude pic of their underage and plastered friend they saw on Facebook.

Can you tell I'm a high school history teacher? lol!
post #1036 of 1546
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Originally Posted by Lord_Zath View Post

I thought it was a way to remind Americans of the conflict that occurred in which so many gave their lives. It is also an interesting metaphor that what we may believe today to be the end of the world might not turn out that way.

As for the song, it praises the young generation and reminds them of their duty to do well for their country. Something our young generation could use to see when they aren't too busy texting their bff over the near-nude pic of their underage and plastered friend they saw on Facebook.

Can you tell I'm a high school history teacher? lol!

 

Good post.  It seems to me that TAR is all about exploring and celebrating local culture and history in it's native light.  Isn't it funny how some people always look for the things they can be offended by instead of thinking about positive/constructive intent?  They come off as such overly sensitive crybabies.  I really dislike those kind of people and wish they'd take their BS and just get a life. 

 

 

ron

post #1037 of 1546
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post

Good post.  It seems to me that TAR is all about exploring and celebrating local culture and history in it's native light.  Isn't it funny how some people always look for the things they can be offended by instead of thinking about positive/constructive intent?  They come off as such overly sensitive crybabies.  I really dislike those kind of people and wish they'd take their BS and just get a life. 


ron

For the record, all I said was that it was in bad taste. In my opinion it was unnecessary to use that monument as a backdrop, and that song (especially with the lyrics written out on the screen). As far as being offended, I'm much more offended by your comments.
post #1038 of 1546
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As for the B-52 monument, maybe there isn't many other distinctive monuments in that city? If you're nationalistic, you might be offended that they commemorate some tactical victory over Americans. But you have to respect the fact that they could take down a B-52, as outgunned as they were.

They were Russian made missiles, staffed and operated by Russian soldiers. The North Vietnamese had no indigenous air force, nor anti-aircraft, nor any such manufacturing capability. All U.S. bomber/fighter aircraft losses were courtesy of the Soviet Union. That it was not widely reported as such was part of the propaganda game that was being played by both sides. Nobody wanted a wider war.
post #1039 of 1546
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Originally Posted by Lord_Zath View Post

I thought it was a way to remind Americans of the conflict that occurred in which so many gave their lives. It is also an interesting metaphor that what we may believe today to be the end of the world might not turn out that way.

As for the song, it praises the young generation and reminds them of their duty to do well for their country. Something our young generation could use to see when they aren't too busy texting their bff over the near-nude pic of their underage and plastered friend they saw on Facebook.

Can you tell I'm a high school history teacher? lol!

Mostly agree with this. I could see thinking the B-52 is in poor taste, but the song is just a nationalistic song. I wouldn't be surprised if having to use a song like that was part of the conditions of filming there, and without seeing the subtitles no one would have known or cared. I'm sure other songs in other countries during previous eps have also had pro-state messages.
post #1040 of 1546
Apparently, CBS got enough complaints that they are airing an apology before tonight's episode. It was just posted on their facebook page...
post #1041 of 1546
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

I don't disagree with your position, but have you contacted CBS?

Yes I did.
post #1042 of 1546
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

I don't disagree with your position, but have you contacted CBS?

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Yes I did.
Looks like it worked. smile.gif
post #1043 of 1546
You can't tell me a number of CBS folks didn't know this was a very sensitive issue, yet they went ahead with the stunt anyway. Their thought is: "oh, we'll just apologize later" rolleyes.gif
post #1044 of 1546
Man, Pam and Winnie are terrible at getting to and from the challenges. They went from first to last just getting from the airplane to their car and then back to second over the course of a single stage. They're damn lucky almost everyone chose the fire making challenge or they would have finished last.

I'm also stunned at how long people stuck with the fire making challenge. As soon as I saw it was the old "spin the stick" trick, I would have changed tasks because I know how hard that is to do.
post #1045 of 1546
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

Man, Pam and Winnie are terrible at getting to and from the challenges. They went from first to last just getting from the airplane to their car and then back to second over the course of a single stage. They're damn lucky almost everyone chose the fire making challenge or they would have finished last.

I'm also stunned at how long people stuck with the fire making challenge. As soon as I saw it was the old "spin the stick" trick, I would have changed tasks because I know how hard that is to do.

Yep .. fire making with a stick looked much harder than snare making where you did not actually have to catch a bird ..

and I thought the Bushmen were pretty funny ..
post #1046 of 1546
The way the challenge was explained I assumed catching a bird was required. I bet some of the fire teams thought the same.
post #1047 of 1546
If they snared the birds, I'm sure PETA would have complained.
post #1048 of 1546
I think the producers have done the go out in the middle of nowhere in some part of Africa well a bit too much. As with the last two or three times they have done it they did not eliminate the last team. There are lots of bustling cities to go to in Africa. Maybe it is time to go back to one of those cities.
post #1049 of 1546
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The way the challenge was explained I assumed catching a bird was required. I bet some of the fire teams thought the same.

Maybe that's what it was. This is one of those cases where I wish they would have shown the actual clue on TV, since it must have been really misleading to get everyone to attempt the fire challenge.

It also seemed like it was just a short walk to the snare challenge, it's not as if there was the risk of getting lost when going to the snare challenge compared to not getting lost going to the fire challenge.

[BTW, there's no way in hell a stick with one end buried only about six inches in the dirt is going to hold a guinea fowl. And since guinea fowl aren't egg eaters, I not sure how they planned to attract it with an egg. Do they think the bird was going to try and hatch the egg? tongue.gif ]
post #1050 of 1546
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

I think the producers have done the go out in the middle of nowhere in some part of Africa well a bit too much. As with the last two or three times they have done it they did not eliminate the last team. There are lots of bustling cities to go to in Africa. Maybe it is time to go back to one of those cities.

If they drug me all the way to Africa and all I got to see was a bunch of people crowded together in a city and none of the Savannah and wildlife, I'd be very upset. With the exception of North Africa where there's Egyptian and Roman ruins, it's not like there's a bunch of impressive old architecture to see in most African cities. For example, going to South Africa and only going to the World Cup soccer stadium would be a serious bummer.

But they have been hitting central Africa quite a bit lately and should change it up some more. Perhaps some Madagascar rain forests would be a good change from the savannah?
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