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post #241 of 419
Ok, used a real tripod. In landscape mode. Auto WB, just a little -AE adjustment to prevent blooming. The 30x zoom is insane. I live a mile and a 1/2 from the ESB. You can actually see the heat from the NYC streets. All shots as is, no tweaking, timing. All in all not bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14RIu5z838
post #242 of 419
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Originally Posted by jazzcat View Post

There are no adjustments for any of those settings. You are severely limited and have to rely on the camrea's Intelligent mode or a Scene mode. I call the gain setting the EV value. It didn't do much but it does when there is more light. I tried some new videos with several settings (Intellegent, ISO - which you can't set - the camera does, and Twilight. I saw no appreciable difference with any of those different modes. Cranking the EV vakue did make a difference in light level with no extra visible noise at any setting.


Bummer!
Well it's not too bad, considering it's reasonably priced. I would want more manual settings. My Canon 879is is ok in low light but not great. But it is an older P&S camera. Video is YouTube quality only.
I'd like to buy a Canon S95, my wife says "for Christmas!"
So I'll have to wait. The HHF G10 actually takes reasonable still pictures if you have enough light. Nothing as good as my 870 but they are ok.
I prefer manual settings. My 870is prefers auto settings.
It has manual settings but they don't help much.
post #243 of 419
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Ken,

I would highly recommend the Canon G11/G12 or Nikons P7000, both mid-sized and still larger pocketable cameras that take excellent still shots. Both have view finders and decent ones, bottom
picture was taken by me on a shoot in New Mexico with a Nikon P7000, great place to take pictures and film I might add.

Garman, thanks much, I will definitely give those a good close look. I think my wife will really be turned off by the tiny VF on the 100. That pix you shot looks really nice.
post #244 of 419
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Ok, used a real tripod. In landscape mode. Auto WB, just a little -AE adjustment to prevent blooming. The 30x zoom is insane. I live a mile and a 1/2 from the ESB. You can actually see the heat from the NYC streets. All shots as is, no tweaking, timing. All in all not bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14RIu5z838

I saw those heat waves Dave. I do like (and I know my wife would too) that 30X zoom. Although I'm betting the Nikon & Canon that Garman suggested might take better pictures, I noticed the zooms are only about 5-6X optical.
post #245 of 419
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

Bummer!
Well it's not too bad, considering it's reasonably priced. I would want more manual settings. My Canon 879is is ok in low light but not great. But it is an older P&S camera. Video is YouTube quality only.
I'd like to buy a Canon S95, my wife says "for Christmas!"
So I'll have to wait. The HHF G10 actually takes reasonable still pictures if you have enough light. Nothing as good as my 870 but they are ok.
I prefer manual settings. My 870is prefers auto settings.
It has manual settings but they don't help much.

Steve,

I am a camera whore! LOL. The S95 I have, is one of the fastest and best P&S I have ever owned. Ironically I rarely use the flash as it is that good in low light. Not a fan of the pop up flash but the pictures are amazing.
post #246 of 419
Did a couple of locations. The videos are not even close to the caliber of a Canon XA10 but for what I will be using them and the stills for is going to work for me. Going to wait for the next generation later this year/next year to see what is on the horizon.

http://youtu.be/CQdGDTX5Xnc

http://youtu.be/Q9oMnq48pW4
post #247 of 419
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I saw those heat waves Dave. I do like (and I know my wife would too) that 30X zoom. Although I'm betting the Nikon & Canon that Garman suggested might take better pictures, I noticed the zooms are only about 5-6X optical.

Ken,

I can tell you with out a doubt, that the Canon G12 and Nikon P7000 take much better stills and have decent VRs. Both handle well and are very easy to use. Coin toss between the two as they both take great pictures.

http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Produc...PIX-P7000.html

Ken:

Forgot this one, it is pretty much a tie with these cameras as they both have very good things over each other but a dead tie on picture quality as I have shot a couple of hundred pictures with each.

http://usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/p.../powershot_g12
post #248 of 419
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Originally Posted by jazzcat View Post

Did a couple of locations. The videos are not even close to the caliber of a Canon XA10 but for what I will be using them and the stills for is going to work for me. Going to wait for the next generation later this year/next year to see what is on the horizon.

http://youtu.be/CQdGDTX5Xnc

http://youtu.be/Q9oMnq48pW4

For a sub $400 dollar camera shooting video, like those sample videos!! I say impressive to say the least. Thanks for posting them. Although you might want to change the title on the videos you posted as they say Panasonic HX100 and not Sony.
post #249 of 419
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Steve,

I am a camera whore! LOL. The S95 I have, is one of the fastest and best P&S I have ever owned. Ironically I rarely use the flash as it is that good in low light. Not a fan of the pop up flash but the pictures are amazing.


Well I will consider that a high reccomendation.
I really want one. I was wondering why they didn't upgrade the S95 for 2011? Do you think they will come out with a better model?
post #250 of 419
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

Well I will consider that a high reccomendation.
I really want one. I was wondering why they didn't upgrade the S95 for 2011? Do you think they will come out with a better model?

Steve,

Most likely Canon and Sony are trying not to take too much out of each others own markets. Camcorder market verses DSLR and P&S. I was hoping they would put in 1080p at least, but the Canon for what it does shoots very good video and great stills.
post #251 of 419
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post


I saw those heat waves Dave. I do like (and I know my wife would too) that 30X zoom. Although I'm betting the Nikon & Canon that Garman suggested might take better pictures, I noticed the zooms are only about 5-6X optical.

Yeah it's worth keeping just for that. It's a much better lens than the one on the cx700 and nice and sharp with no noticeable chromatic aberration. The 60p is great for overcrank purposes too. I just wish there was a LITTLE more manual control.
post #252 of 419
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post


Yeah it's worth keeping just for that. It's a much better lens than the one on the cx700 and nice and sharp with no noticeable chromatic aberration. The 60p is great for overcrank purposes too. I just wish there was a LITTLE more manual control.

Dave, how are you finding the still shots from the 100? It looks like BB doesn't have any around here.
post #253 of 419
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post


Dave, how are you finding the still shots from the 100? It looks like BB doesn't have any around here.

Morning, Ken.

They are pretty good. If you blow them up to 100% you can see the digital stuff going on. My gh1 takes better though. I will take and post some later.

post #254 of 419
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Steve,

Most likely Canon and Sony are trying not to take too much out of each others own markets. Camcorder market verses DSLR and P&S. I was hoping they would put in 1080p at least, but the Canon for what it does shoots very good video and great stills.


I think the S95 only shoots 720p, which is ok because I just want a great P&S camera. The video it produces in this case isn't as important as my aging 870is is long in the tooth and is having trouble with low light even when I throw a spotlight on something it just is inadequate.
That's why I was looking at the Sony HX9v.
I thought ok if the stills are great and the video is great, Sold!
The HF G10 produces ok stills but nothing mind blowing.
I'm going to Best Buy today with a couple of Flash cards.
So I'll format them and know for certain.

I wonder if next year Canon will go for 60p or sit back and wait?
post #255 of 419
Shooting 720 24p and 30p is a technical limitation for still cameras with a CCD chip. It would basically heat up too much in a body that small. Still, they can always use CMOS for the next models.

Canon already has a 4K 60p prototype camera so releasing 1920x1080 60p camcorders next year might not be far fetched.
http://philipbloom.net/2010/09/01/ca...on-expo-on-ny/
post #256 of 419
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Shooting 720 24p and 30p is a technical limitation for still cameras with a CCD chip. It would basically heat up too much in a body that small. Still, they can always use CMOS for the next models.

Canon already has a 4K 60p prototype camera so releasing 1920x1080 60p camcorders next year might not be far fetched.
http://philipbloom.net/2010/09/01/ca...on-expo-on-ny/


I can live with 720p because I really need a great still P&S camera.
Plus CCD does have some advatages.

Someday those 4K cameras will be available and affordable for non-broadcasters.
post #257 of 419
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Originally Posted by Garman

Dave,

Here is a longer video clip, no real audio as I was testing the HX100 before I was about to bring it back. But it looked very good running direct HDMI out to my TV plus the MTS file played back with easy on my PS3.

http://vimeo.com/user6521870

Pretty boring clip, a stormed just rolled through again so I shot just after when it started to get light again.
Really nice, man. The color looks great.
post #258 of 419
Thread Starter 
"Here is a longer video clip, no real audio as I was testing the HX100 before I was about to bring it back. But it looked very good running direct HDMI out to my TV plus the MTS file played back with easy on my PS3.

http://vimeo.com/user6521870 "


The color is fine. But, this was not a 108060p clip, right? The vimeo file says 1440x1080, 12Mbps, so this is a low-resolution original. What's the point of this? Low bitrate, low resolution.

And the low resolution is obvious - look at the tree in background, the grass in the last shot and the nearby bush - the greenery is all mush. Some of that is Vimeo, but I do not see it in other Vimeo clips from other HD cameras.

Hey, I have an Hx9v, so this is not coming from bashing Sony, I just want to know what is going on.
post #259 of 419
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post
Really nice, man. The color looks great.
Dave,

Ironically I had it boxed up to take it back, my problem is some times I am way too quick to judge. I don't look at the menu and don't tweak it like I should but I took about 5 videos put the SD card in my computer and like what I saw. For just over 3 bills it will serve a purpose, I will shoot some low light samples as well.
post #260 of 419
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post
"Here is a longer video clip, no real audio as I was testing the HX100 before I was about to bring it back. But it looked very good running direct HDMI out to my TV plus the MTS file played back with easy on my PS3.

http://vimeo.com/user6521870 "


The color is fine. But, this was not a 108060p clip, right? The vimeo file says 1440x1080, 12Mbps, so this is a low-resolution original. What's the point of this? Low bitrate, low resolution.

And the low resolution is obvious - look at the tree in background, the grass in the last shot and the nearby bush - the greenery is all mush. Some of that is Vimeo, but I do not see it in other Vimeo clips from other HD cameras.

Hey, I have an Hx9v, so this is not coming from bashing Sony, I just want to know what is going on.

Good question as I thought I had it set to 1080p/60p. I don't use vimeo so not sure if it got converted correctly then. Bottom line, personally the only really way to tell is to run it out via HDMI to a decent 1080p set. I will check and see what it was shot in, but thanks for the heads up.
post #261 of 419
Thread Starter 
The downloadable file is the original that was uploaded, not the one converted to Vimeo's specs.
post #262 of 419
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Originally Posted by Garman

Dave,

Ironically I had it boxed up to take it back, my problem is some times I am way too quick to judge. I don't look at the menu and don't tweak it like I should but I took about 5 videos put the SD card in my computer and like what I saw. For just over 3 bills it will serve a purpose, I will shoot some low light samples as well.
Yeah I hear ya. My first shoot in the club I was disappointed but the stuff I shot yesterday looked really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14RIu5z838&sns=em


I also shot with the g10 and the hx100v held it's own for the most part. Will upload comparison
post #263 of 419
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post
The downloadable file is the original that was uploaded, not the one converted to Vimeo's specs.
markr041:

Well the problem was I took out the battery to return the unit but decided to give it one last try. Looks like the default settings went back on, the piece I shot was not recorded in 1080p/60p it shot in in HQ mode which is 1440x1080 (60i) so you are correct. Looks like I will have to shoot some more tomorrow with the correct settings.
post #264 of 419
Thread Starter 
Ok, thanks. I thought there was something wrong; and it is peculiar that Sony sets the default at such low quaility (I know they do).
post #265 of 419
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Dave,

Here is a longer video clip, no real audio as I was testing the HX100 before I was about to bring it back. But it looked very good running direct HDMI out to my TV plus the MTS file played back with easy on my PS3.

http://vimeo.com/user6521870

Pretty boring clip, a stormed just rolled through again so I shot just after when it started to get light again.

I get a dead link Garman, I'm assuming you removed the clip.
post #266 of 419
Another thing is clips have a 30 minute limit no matter how many files it makes. It stops recording after 30 minutes if you leave it recording like I did at the club. Missed 1/2 the gig
post #267 of 419
Thread Starter 
"I get a dead link Garman, I'm assuming you removed the clip."

thank goodness!
post #268 of 419
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

"I get a dead link Garman, I'm assuming you removed the clip."

thank goodness!

Well of course I removed it! I will shoot it in the correct format, just waiting around for a good prices on GH2 and or a Canon Camcorder HF G10 or XA10. The problem is most retail places want full retail and or more than full retail. Hell the XA10 is selling for 3K on Amazon and the retail on it is 2K. LOL

Here is a sample in dim lighting, again I need to tweak it more and I will reshoot the what I shot yesterday in 1080p/60p.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFE9vqyhDLc
post #269 of 419
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Another thing is clips have a 30 minute limit no matter how many files it makes. It stops recording after 30 minutes if you leave it recording like I did at the club. Missed 1/2 the gig

Dave,

Interesting, as I thought you could shoot more than just 30 min, still not bad as most DSLRs shut down at 8min and or 20min. Not sure with the GH2 as I never shot more than 10-15min a pop.
post #270 of 419
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post


Well of course! I will shoot it in the correct format, just waiting around for a good GH2 and or a Canon Camcorder HF G10 or XA10. The problem is most retail places want full retail and or more than full retail. Hell the XA10 is selling for 3K on Amazon and the retail on it is 2K. LOL

Here is a sample in dim lighting, again I need to tweak it more and I will reshoot the what I shot yesterday in 1080p/60p.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFE9vqyhDLc

Nice man!
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