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post #61 of 419
5/21/11 at 11:45am
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Video of low-light scene using the widest aperture for each with the108060p setting (28Mbps). Auto WB, auto iris and gain for both. No special low-light setting. The picture is in a dark, unlit hallway during the day.

How low is the light? A well-exposed still picture of the same scene taken at f3.3 used ISO800 and a shutter speed of 1/15th of a second. That is low light. I would not normally try to take pictures or video in such light, but this is a test.

Combined and rendered in Vegas Pro as a 108060p, 26Mbps AVC MP4.

http://youtu.be/2xqKS0S7E3c?hd=1

Which is better?
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post #62 of 419
5/21/11 at 12:50pm
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The same scene illuminated with a diffused LED array (outdoor temperature) on the left (to avoid glare off the glass). This was again shot using the widest aperture on the TM900 and the Hx9v using the 108060p setting (28Mbps). Auto WB, auto iris and gain. Combined in Vegas Pro.

How good is the light? A well-exposed still picture of the same scene taken at f3.3 used ISO125 and a shutter speed of 1/30th of a second. That is reasonably good light.

http://youtu.be/s9gMH0jmZsU?hd=1
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post #63 of 419
5/21/11 at 2:15pm
I like the Panasonic better in both cases, though the Sony's lens shows less distortion.
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post #64 of 419
5/21/11 at 7:41pm
I like Panasonic better too but Sony is still very impressive for such a small package and affordable price. Marc, thanks a lot for the clips!
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post #65 of 419
5/21/11 at 11:26pm
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I like Panasonic better too but Sony is still very impressive for such a small package and affordable price. Marc, thanks a lot for the clips!

Exactly. 350 versus a grand
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post #66 of 419
5/22/11 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Exactly. 350 versus a grand

Actually, the TM900 is offered on Panasonic website via EPP for $825. Still not as good a deal as $750 for the TM700, but less than a grand ;-)

I am really tempted to keep the SD600 that I bought for $300. Seriously, 1080p60, 3MOS, built-in ND filter (not sure that the HX9V has it) and the old-style battery type ($15 apiece on eBay, whoo-hoo!).
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post #67 of 419
5/22/11 at 6:57pm
Speaking of prices, Amazon still has the SDT750 brand new for $750 surprisingly. The TM700 will not be easy to find brand new.
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post #68 of 419
5/22/11 at 8:46pm
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I am really tempted to keep the SD600 that I bought for $300. Seriously, 1080p60, 3MOS, built-in ND filter (not sure that the HX9V has it) and the old-style battery type ($15 apiece on eBay, whoo-hoo!).

Awesome !

3 chippers rock. So much easier to color correct

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post #69 of 419
5/23/11 at 5:55am
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The Hx9v does have a built-in ND filter. This is the trick most consumer cameras use to change aperture while avoiding the diffraction problems that arise from actually closing the iris too much. No independent control of ND, just like on the Panasonic 3-chippers.
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post #70 of 419
5/23/11 at 7:35am
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The same scene illuminated with a diffused LED array (outdoor temperature) on the left (to avoid glare off the glass). This was again shot using the widest aperture on the TM900 and the Hx9v using the 108060p setting (28Mbps). Auto WB, auto iris and gain. Combined in Vegas Pro.

How good is the light? A well-exposed still picture of the same scene taken at f3.3 used ISO125 and a shutter speed of 1/30th of a second. That is reasonably good light.

http://youtu.be/s9gMH0jmZsU?hd=1
What's striking to me is how close the two are in the good light comparison. Really amazing given the Sony's low price tag. In fact, it looks like the Sony's WB rendered the walls a more neutral, believable color. The 900 footage has a pinkish cast to the walls.
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post #71 of 419
5/23/11 at 8:08am
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I like Panasonic better too but Sony is still very impressive for such a small package and affordable price. Marc, thanks a lot for the clips!

The Panasonic has a tad more pink in the whites, both look pretty darn good in low light but I am very impressed with the Sony at that price point. I wonder if my Sony grip would work with it as this would be great to take MTB Biking and Skiing as some of those videos are pretty darn good. Plus the stabilization is excellent in this camera.
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post #72 of 419
5/23/11 at 8:15am
My hx100v arrives Friday!
My wife is going to kick my ass
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post #73 of 419
5/23/11 at 8:16am
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What's striking to me is how close the two are in the good light comparison. Really amazing given the Sony's low price tag. In fact, it looks like the Sony's WB rendered the walls a more neutral, believable color. The 900 footage has a pinkish cast to the walls.

Agreed. And also makes me glad I returned my cx700 as it is VERY overpriced.
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post #74 of 419
5/23/11 at 8:20am
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My hx100v arrives Friday!
My wife is going to kick my ass

No she won't, it will be hidden along with the:
* G10
* Prior cams never disclosed
* Old girlfriends

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post #75 of 419
5/23/11 at 8:38am
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No she won't, it will be hidden along with the:
* G10
* Prior cams never disclosed
* Old girlfriends


I now have the g10, the cx550, the Lumix gh1 and the monster sized nx5u. Add the hx100v in there and I am in trouble. Luckily the g10 looks so much like my cx550 (with lens hood) that the wife didn't notice!
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post #76 of 419
5/23/11 at 12:23pm
That's what I noticed; colors.
The detail apears less with the Sony, but the price spread makes that understandble, more so considering the TM900 is the detail standard.

I'll be ordering a HX9 for a Central/S Amer. trip later this year. We'll see how it goes..
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post #77 of 419
5/23/11 at 2:16pm
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I now have the g10, the cx550, the Lumix gh1 and the monster sized nx5u. Add the hx100v in there and I am in trouble. Luckily the g10 looks so much like my cx550 (with lens hood) that the wife didn't notice!

I am the same way with Cameras. Lucking my Nikons all look similar but my Canon 5D Mark II looks a tad different. Why are you choosing the HX100v over the HX9? The Super Zoom, or do you think the video is a tad better?
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post #78 of 419
5/23/11 at 2:42pm
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I now have the g10, the cx550, the Lumix gh1 and the monster sized nx5u. Add the hx100v in there and I am in trouble. Luckily the g10 looks so much like my cx550 (with lens hood) that the wife didn't notice!


So I'm guessing that you won't be interested in the new Sony HXR-NX70 that will be coming out soon?
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post #79 of 419
5/23/11 at 3:21pm
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I am the same way with Cameras. Lucking my Nikons all look similar but my Canon 5D Mark II looks a tad different. Why are you choosing the HX100v over the HX9? The Super Zoom, or do you think the video is a tad better?

Much longer zoom and better lowlight probably. F2.8 vs F3.3
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post #80 of 419
5/23/11 at 3:24pm
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So I'm guessing that you won't be interested in the new Sony HXR-NX70 that will be coming out soon?

If anything I'd go for the fs100 but would have to sell all my gear first
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post #81 of 419
5/23/11 at 5:43pm
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Much longer zoom and better lowlight probably. F2.8 vs F3.3

Best Buy, near me got two of them in and I think I will pick one up tomorrow as they are letting me use my Reward Zone coupons. So I might give it a whirl as it would be nice to have low light 1080p/60p at a decent price. The HF G10 I had I know now for sure was defective as the wedding footage looked horrible. I tried severals settings and it looked like crap, sorry to say, but some of it was new user remorse.
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post #82 of 419
5/24/11 at 9:53am
Just picked up the HX100V at Best Buy. The PMB software CD that came with it says that Windows 7/64 bit is not supported.
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post #83 of 419
5/24/11 at 10:17am
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Just picked up the HX100V at Best Buy. The PMB software CD that came with it says that Windows 7/64 bit is not supported.

You should be able to just open the camera files as an external drive via USB and drag and drop clips onto your computer. I do that with my Sony cams and never use the pmb software.
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post #84 of 419
5/24/11 at 12:16pm
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You should be able to just open the camera files as an external drive via USB and drag and drop clips onto your computer. I do that with my Sony cams and never use the pmb software.

Ditto to what Dave said, I do the same on my PC but mostly use Mac for editing. I just picked one up as well it BB, I had Reward points and there 12% coupon so just a tad over 3 bills. Just looking for a camera that can do a dual roll for my wife and hopefully some decent video for myself. Plus the price was right. The cool thing is I can use the same battery as my camcorder, well I take that back you can use the battery that is supplied with the camera in the camcorder but not the other way around.

I wish the Sony GP-AVT1 would work with this camera, not sure if it will.
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post #85 of 419
5/24/11 at 12:22pm
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Ditto to that Dave as I do the same on my PC but mostly use Mac for editing. I just picked one up as well it BB, I had Reward points and there 12% coupon so just a tad over 3 bills. Just looking for a camera that can do a dual roll for my wife and hopefully some decent video for myself. Plus the price was right. The cool thing is I can use the same battery as my camcorder, well I take that back you can use the battery that is supplied with the camera in the camcorder but not the other way around.

I wish the Sony GP-AVT1 would work with this camera, not sure if it will.

Awesome! Fire it up!
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post #86 of 419
5/24/11 at 1:53pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLohm9abApo&sns=em


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4DAh-fV2Xk&sns=em


Not my clips btw. Just found them. My hx100 comes Friday.
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post #87 of 419
5/24/11 at 2:02pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLohm9abApo&sns=em -- interlaced crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4DAh-fV2Xk&sns=em -- this looks decent.
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post #88 of 419
5/24/11 at 2:10pm
Yeah the macro looks great and worth the cost alone some reviews say, the long zoom is great and I will be using mostly for 60p for smooth overcrank
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post #89 of 419
5/24/11 at 2:13pm
I did manage to download the user guide with no problems. I will download the files as suggested. Not getting the Lexar 32GB SDHC card until Thursday from B&H which should give me plenty of time to get more familiar with the settings.

Seems like a lot of camera for under $400! And a viewfinder to boot.
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post #90 of 419
5/24/11 at 2:14pm
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Yeah the macro looks great and worth the cost alone some reviews say, the long zoom is great and I will be using mostly for 60p for smooth overcrank

Dave, what editing software do you use?
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