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post #31 of 777
1/23/11 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by jpmst3 View Post

Ya, I think regular speakers would be somewhat of a waste for the flat pack scenario.

The real value comes into play when there are angles and/or slots, etc. (ala horn) that make the cuts more difficult than just throwing a couple panels together to make a cube variant.

Bite your tongue sir, there will be flat packs made for speaker enclosures as well!

We just have to figure out which ones.

No interest in the layered baffles? I'm guessing they would be pretty cheap.
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post #32 of 777
1/23/11 at 9:08am


I hear ya.

I guess we have to have to have speakers too.
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post #33 of 777
1/23/11 at 9:12am
Live on the wild side, build some bootleg stolen designs: 45x48x11

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/v...pudoutside.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/v...onsoutside.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...ns/TH-SPUD.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/v...d/stuffing.jpg

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=264-854
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post #34 of 777
1/23/11 at 9:15am
That's exactly what we need! Or at least a variant that extends down to 20 Hz.

You have my vote.
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post #35 of 777
1/23/11 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Live on the wild side, build some bootleg stolen designs: 45x48x11

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/v...pudoutside.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/v...onsoutside.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...ns/TH-SPUD.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/v...d/stuffing.jpg

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=264-854


Ha, only if he let it happen, and he knew it was sold at the CNC guy's price. If you guys contact him and see what he says, I'll get prices. Not a problem. I know the design has been floating around out there for quite a while, but I don't want to touch that without some word from him, or at least what he would charge per flat pack. Maybe for that one particular design, he would do something like Bill F does, being that it's out already? You could try and find out.
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post #36 of 777
1/23/11 at 10:55am
You would never get permission. The only way to do it is to sell via cash paid to a post office box, and ship it in a plain vanilla box.

Either that or out of the back of a white van at a flea market or on Canal Street in NY.
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post #37 of 777
1/23/11 at 11:22am
Either modify it a bit, or get permission, or use another design...
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post #38 of 777
1/23/11 at 11:35am
I think an Econowave Deluxe style cab would be a great complement to the SEOS-15 WG. The PE cab used in the Deluxe designs is less than optimal IMO. I'd like it to have a little more volume for better tuning and there isn't a need for the trapezoidal shape or recessed baffle. I wonder if he could do a nice roundover on the face. I'd pay extra for that.

Erich, do you know if he'll do smaller batches that are basically one-offs? I'm within driving distance of him. PM if you get a chance.
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post #39 of 777
1/23/11 at 12:20pm
Erich,
When you get the 6.5 th done let me know and I will pay asap.
Another idea might be to do some bookshelf and mtm cabs with blank baffles.
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post #40 of 777
1/23/11 at 12:34pm
The 6.5 is very versatile, but I think something with at least one 12 or 15" driver for a little more serious HT friendly would be advantageous.
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post #41 of 777
1/23/11 at 1:38pm
Designs? Don't clone something, you'll just clone it's problems too...

Seriously - give me something to work with...

What do you want?

10" driver?
12" driver?

1 or 2 drivers?

Target response?

Cabinet volume?

Let me know what there is interest in....
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post #42 of 777
1/23/11 at 1:48pm
I am not trying to speak for everyone, but it would be nice to have a small suite of designs to choose from.

Man, there would be some real money to be made for anyone that could team up with some CNC work...I digress.

Anyway,
It would be really sweet if there was a 6.5 or 8" (or duals) ultra small/slim version for smaller rooms or computers or economically challenged or WAF issues or whatever...

Then a 10" and/or 12" for more serious installations.

Finally even better, a 15" and/or dual 12" version for the ultimate or at least the ultimate that could be packaged and shipped reasonably.

They could each coincide with deeper extension. The most serious enthusiasts will want something that extends down to AT LEAST 20 Hz with authority.

Anyone that could use proven designs and offer CNCed, assembly ready packages could make some reasonably serious dough. I can't believe anyone has not already done this.

Obviously there is no way to please everyone. But, if one wants a serious sub, it amazing how someone can make room for it. Look at the wildly popular DTS kits, huge. If you want killer performance there are no shortcuts.

In my opinion, (others may disagree) it is easier to use a slim design no matter how large otherwise (ala DTS-10 style) where it can be placed against a wall, as a riser, behind a couch, etc.
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post #43 of 777
1/23/11 at 1:52pm
The real bonus is not having to ship the drivers with the kits.

Just design the kits around non-proprietary drivers and let the customer source them from wherever.

Plus, with the TH design, there is no need for extra recessing/aesthetics of the baffle...
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post #44 of 777
1/23/11 at 3:05pm
The Econowave Deluxe would be a perfect choice for flatpacks. It is popular and flexible enough to get multiple orders and "simple" enough to be relatively inexpensive to produce and ship.
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post #45 of 777
1/23/11 at 3:31pm
This will probably be a huge resurgence in the TH builds as it's gotta be the most demanding enclosure to build.

I have never done a TH build, not because I don't have the tools, just don't have the time to learn then build. I would much rather buy a flat pack kit and the price for the Anarchy flat pack is a no brainer, I am in for a pair or more.
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post #46 of 777
1/23/11 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by lilmike View Post

Designs? Don't clone something, you'll just clone it's problems too..

do you have a link to one of your designs that doesn't have some kind of a problem?
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post #47 of 777
1/23/11 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

No interest in the layered baffles? I'm guessing they would be pretty cheap.

Here is a great example, in case anyone is having trouble picturing it (except these also have a strip of Walnut down the middle).
These were done by MrGfy here.

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post #48 of 777
1/23/11 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

do you have a link to one of your designs that doesn't have some kind of a problem?

Nope. All my designs have problems.... How bout yours?

Did ya miss the sarcasm?
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post #49 of 777
1/23/11 at 7:01pm
I gave up designing speakers in the early 80s, I just like to copy the intellectual efforts of others. That way I can always blame someone else.
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post #50 of 777
1/23/11 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

I gave up designing speakers in the early 80s, I just like to copy the intellectual efforts of others. That way I can always blame someone else.

LMAO!

Guess that's the best kind of "Easy Button".....
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post #51 of 777
1/23/11 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by jpmst3 View Post

I am not trying to speak for everyone, but it would be nice to have a small suite of designs to choose from.


Anyone that could use proven designs and offer CNCed, assembly ready packages could make some reasonably serious dough.

Uh sir, that's what this thread is here for......minus the "serious dough" portion. That's up to the CNC guy. We're just trying to get a good list of proven designs and price it out.



At some size point, shipping likely won't make sense. Anything larger than Bills TH is going to be very heavy and need a really large box. Aren't those side panels 36"x36" or so? Flat packed they would be about 40"x40", maybe 12"-15" tall and about 100lbs. If you go with a slim design, I assume that means you straighten out a fold, so then you have a really long box. I'm not sure which would be cheaper to ship.



As mentioned, this guy seems to be priced good, and I'm meeting with him Tuesday to give the go ahead on the 6.5" model. I think an 8" model would probably compete too close with the 6.5". It might make sense to just jump up to 10", or maybe that 9"x12" Tang Band subwoofer?

If Bill's cabinets can be done with 1/2" plywood and bracing, then I'm guessing we should be okay with the 10" and 12" range to use 1/2". I should ask about regular birch plywood and see if that lowers the pricing down on the bigger TH's.

I'm no designer, but I promise, I'll get the cabinets made.



If anyone would like to give me a heads up on the typical size needed for the Econowave style speakers, I'll draw it up. If anyone is good at Sketch Up, go nuts and draw it up better than my paper/pencil sketches! That would really help everyone out.


I've been given the green light on the Overnight Sensations from Paul on the PE site.
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post #52 of 777
1/23/11 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by PassingInterest View Post

Here is a great example, in case anyone is having trouble picturing it (except these also have a strip of Walnut down the middle).
These were done by MrGfy here.



Thanks PassingInterest. That's what I was thinking, along with horizontal layered baffles for subwoofers. I guess they could be glued long and vertical as well, but then we couldn't get the built in roundovers on the sides. One thing: The person getting those would have to cut the driver holes on their own after gluing it all up. I suppose I might be able to glue some together for people that really wanted them.
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post #53 of 777
1/24/11 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by zora View Post

I agree, the THT (either version) would be great in a flat-pack - I'd probably be in for a couple.

Make that another vote for the THT! I might even pick up a couple of them depending on the cost.

I think the new THT LP (low profile) would be the way to go for shipping purposes, and it also has a much smaller footprint which will work better for most people. If you make the 24" version it'll take 2 sheets of 4x8 plywood (5x5 sheets obviously wouldn't work since it is 6' tall!).

As for shipping charges, I'm guessing it would be around $150-$200 depending on the actual size & weight. I used the rough dimensions of 78x30x10 for a 24" wide THTLP, and I estimated 120lb for weight, and to ship from Phoenix to Chicago (the only two zips I know off-hand) it would be $175 + packaging materials.

So depending on the cost of the wood & labor, we could be talking about $300-$400 delivered for a THT kit, right? Add in a cheap driver such as the MFW-15 driver for $79, binding posts, PL, etc, and you could have yourself a THT for around $400-$500 total, and save yourself many hours of work. I'd be all over that!!
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post #54 of 777
1/24/11 at 5:53am
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So depending on the cost of the wood & labor, we could be talking about $300-$400 delivered for a THT kit, right?

Going by the price for the 6.5" unit, I'm taking a wild guess that the THT would be around the $200-$225 mark.

I'll contact Bill and see what he says. There might be 5 people that say they want it, but they don't know shipping costs just yet. That could be the deal breaker.

But regardless, I'll find out.
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post #55 of 777
1/24/11 at 7:17am
I think in time a CNC'ed cabinet with steep roundovers for the waveguide you're working on and a 12" or 15" woofer would be a useful thing.
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post #56 of 777
1/24/11 at 7:59am
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Regarding the THT, how does Bill have it set up now with his recommended builders? Anyone know?

Do you buy the plans, then contact the builders to get it made? I don't think these flat packs would be any different. You buy the plans, then contact me to get it shipped.

No doubt everyone would have to sign a non compete agreement. But other than that, I'm not sure it's any different than the way he has it set up now. So it should work out fine.

We'll find out.
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post #57 of 777
1/24/11 at 8:13am
I don't think it matters once you buy the plans.
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post #58 of 777
1/24/11 at 8:16am
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I don't think it matters once you buy the plans.

Agreed. Just buy the plans and then ask for the shipment...
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post #59 of 777
1/24/11 at 8:18am
Perhaps someone will come up with a better design or Bill will come up with a new one that extends lower.
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post #60 of 777
1/24/11 at 8:22am
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I don't think it matters once you buy the plans.

I agree, it really won't be any different.
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