4k by 2k or Quad HD...lots of rumors? thoughts? - Page 64

Actually, this has been posted in the past. Andy Parsons has posted in this thread, because of one my classic posts. I am sure one of my fans will dig up that post for you and post it. Sony only has a few journal articles on bluray, but one stated that there was a problem with the access speed. I really haven't researched much on Pioneer for an optical solution, but the only promising technolgy is being developed by Hitachi Data Systems with regards to a next gen optical solution. General Electric Global Research Center also is developing a holographic solution, but their research seems to limited with capacity and data access speed. I believe the article on GE stated that it was backwards compatible. Hitachi Data systems is not, but is the most promising holographic storage solution currently. Hitachi worked with inPhase, which is now hVault. inPhase has the most patents, and they are now producing products from those patents.

Also, i post an article from the NHK. Sorry, there is no Bluray solution on the roadmap for UHDTV. The article is on page 12 of the pdf. http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/publica/bt/en/fe0049-5.pdf

Currently Sony stock is around $13 a share, while Sony main competitor Apple is $700 a share. Sony needs to concentrate on building quality products.
That is huge task to do, because something is wrong when you have new TV's being returned within 6 months. This is called poor quality control. They do fix the equipment, but it is a big hassle.
Does this facebook page look good for a TV manufacturer? "I have a Defective Sony TV". There has been several examples of products being returned, so Sony needs to concentrate on quality control and start doing research on new products.

If you look in Google patents, then you can see that Dolby has patents on this technology. I am not sure what is the status, but that would be the first place to look.

Dolby buys BrightSide Technologies

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2007/02/27/dolby_buys_brightside_technologies_hdr_lcd/1

So let me get this straight. . . You believe that there will be no 4K BD coming. Despite what Rich Marty, VP of emerging platform development and marketing for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Andy Parsons, President of the BDA have said.

And . . . that you believe that Holographic Disc - something that is nothing more than a lab experiment and has been for years, is going to be used to deliver 4K content to consumers as a replacement physical media for BD.

So when it is going to happen?

Okay, I thought the Blu-ray 3D release thread had been tracking backward compatibility since there was a note about one of the discs not being backward compatible. Still the point is if the BDA had released a new Blu-ray format that used MPEG-4 AVC Hi10P video there would have been no backward compatibility.

The list I maintain is just releases. Nothing to do with backwards compatability. That Sony 3D BD is an anomaly. It's the only one that specifically says "plays in 3D only."

Well that's a nice point . . . but the reality of 3D BD is, that though AVC-MVC says it's backwards compatible, that is a decision made by the releasing studio and not the tech itself. Not all 3D BDs are backwards compatible.

4.1.3 Status of 4k in distribution and the home

Today, there is no distribution of 4k via SAT, DTT and cable. YouTube has provided some clips, but with a limited frame rate (non TV frame rates).
Again, the final standardisation and deployment of the successor to the H.264/AVC compression standard called HEVC will be essential for the success of 4k in reducing the bit rates required.
4k is not yet included in the DVB standards.
Some 4k flat panel displays (and projectors) will enter the market in the high-end segment; however home infrastructures (e.g. new HDMI versions) still need to be developed.

4.1.4 Conclusion on 4k and what EBU Members should do

It is safe to say that large scale, mainstream, 4k broadcast production infrastructures will not be available for the next 3 - 5 years. Developments and standards efforts for 4k will likely increase for Digital Cinema and will also impact typical broadcast applications.

http://www.live-production.tv/news/3d-4k-arising/4k-and-8k-uhdtv-defined.html

Related PDF ^^^^^

Dolby had filed one patent on HDR in 2003, long before they bought that company.

And what was that patent?

Look it up.

If you are referring to this one, it appears to be for projectors, not LCD panels like the BrightSide Tech that Dolby bought and referred to as Dolby HDR Television:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=EjJ4AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

So . . . Nitro67 . . you going to address this?

First of all, I stated that adding a blu-ray drive to the PS3 was a smart move by Sony. I would guess if they hadn't added a blu-ray drive, their losses would have been even greater. A lot of people bought a PS3 over the XBox because of it's ability to play blu-ray movies.

Also, it's well known in the game console industry that you lose money off the consoles in the hopes of making it up on game sales. According to your link, the XBox lost almost as much as the PS3 during the same time period. The XBox had a big head start over the PS3 since it was released much earlier. If you do an apples to apples comparison, I would say the PS3 sales were marginally better than would otherwise be expected.

When I state that 'I think' or something similar, I'm obviously stating my opinion. Why do you then ask for proof? or call it speculation? It's obviously speculation and worded accordingly.

If Sony had specifically said it would support 4K it wouldn't be rumor, it would be fact. You can infer from the statements they have made about selling and supporting 4K and the fact the PS4 will need a powerful CPU/GPU, that in all likelihood the PS4 will support 4K movie playback.

sytech:

What did you do? You have me quoted as saying:

But I never said that. I made no such post. Should I bring this to the attention of the Mods - you creating a bogus quote that you claim I posted when I never did?

I posted it was 3 years on the previous page. This is according to the NHK open house in 2012. I know 4K Bluray can be developed, but it would be better to develop a new storage format, Sorry, I know to many companies that have listed to Marketing VP's and the products failed. These companies later filed bankruptcy and laid off thousands, because they didn't keep up with the R&D. Oh, here is a Forbes article on hVault and UHDTV. http://hvault.com/2012/06/18/forbes-how-can-we-keep-big-video-content-safe/
Edited by Nitro67 - 9/19/12 at 7:43pm

That article is talking about professional video, not consumer video.

Holographic storage bites the dust

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/holographic-storage-bites-the-dust/799

Here is the 2009 video for their version holographic disc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXrJgXYq0Bk


Optical formats by Generation as stated in the technical journals.
1) CD
2) DVD
3) Bluray
4) Holographic Disc (1 TB)
5) Holographic Disc (10 to 12TB)

TV formats by generation
1) DVD - NTSC
2) Bluray - HDTV
3) Holographic disc ( This could UHDTV - 4k)
4) Holographic Disc (UHDTV2 - 8k)

Here is 2008 video of Nintendo and InPhase
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMoxb79FxQk

Not really! Who do you think is hVault? InPhase and hVault is less than 20 miles apart in Colorado.

Here is the list of articles that have been published on hVault. hVault later just bought the InPhase patents, so the company never died.

http://hvault.com/press/

Here is the zdnet article. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/holographic-storage-rises-from-the-dead/1653

Companies that own Intellectual property can't really die. Kodak owns like over 500,000 patents.

There are no timelines on any of that info.

Maybe you need to learn on how to do research, then you can predict on when products will be developed.

How much will the LG 84" TV be in 3 to 4 years? Now you know that it won't sell at 20k. Well, only to people that can afford it. I do 10K, but 20K is to much!

Mystery hologram disc upstart gobbles InPhase blueprints

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/17/hvault/

LMAO! Everyone was predicting how holographic disc from InPhase was going to be a killer product . . . and then InPhase goes belly up.

Maybe YOU should not believe everything you read on the internet and take much of it was a grain of salt.

Predicting how much an EXISTING product will sell for in the future is MUCH easier than predicting if a lab experiment will ever be a mass produced product.

My opinion is that some version of Blu-ray will be used for HDx4. Using completely different technology wouldn't make sense since space needed for HDx4 is pretty much close to what Blu-ray can handle. HDx16 is another story.

LOL - what is HDx4? Another made up name for UHD 2160P?

A lot of experts spent a lot of time and money to define UHDTV 2160P. Why do you feel the need to deviate from that moniker and invent one of your own?

I wanted to avoid 3 pages of "what's what". Let's try this:
My opinion is that some version of Blu-ray will be used for 3840*xxxx. Using completely different technology wouldn't make sense since space needed for 3840*xxxx is pretty much close to what Blu-ray can handle. 7680*xxxx is another story.

I could've used 2160p and 4320p for those but I just don't feel comfortable using height when height changes according to aspect ratio. Width is always the same. Should I use height anyway? Maybe. Will I? Maybe. Maybe using height is fine even though exact height value is variable.
In the end, we understand each other, no? I don't want to be stuck on this instead of having a real conversation. I think I am pretty clear with "3840*xxxx" and "3840*xxxx". May not be proper label but you understand me.
Edited by Randomoneh - 9/19/12 at 9:44pm

I think you have to much faith in the news articles. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If you would do research, instead of reading a news article. Here is a person that worked at InPhase. ( Vice President US Customer Development Bland McCartha) http://www.inphase-tech.com/news/11_october_restructure.html?subn=6_2 Now he moved to hVault http://hvault.com/2012/04/16/hvault-introduces-holographic-archival-storage-company-at-nab-2012/
The company that funded InPhase Technologies is Signal Lake and now it funds hVault. http://www.hughsnews.ca/hvault-struggles-to-keep-inphase-holographic-storage-dream-alive-0033805
(Backed by Inphase’s majority shareholder, Signal Lake, hVault says it intends to acquire the patent portfolio of the bankrupt holographic storage developer and, hopefully, pick up where Inphase left off.)

So did the company really die? No! The media told you BS! Did the products die or kill the company? No! Several of the companies executives worked at Sony in the past.

Oh, yeah, the Hitachi connection.... Hitachi has a cool new paper/patent on holographic disc...........

http://hvault.com/author/admin/page/3/



Oh, I had to give you something easy. Actually, the other is rather difficult. Just takes some skills!
Edited by Nitro67 - 9/19/12 at 10:15pm

I am confused on HDx4, it used to be called QuadHD. Anyway, this is another technology that was shown at the NHK open house.

There is a thin disc technology. It was also shown at NHK open house.



"Note the NHK disc is floppy, not unlike the opaque black mylar film used in the original floppies decades back. But this disc (which will probably be more firm when released) holds 100 GB per layer due to a lens process with blue lasers which halves the width of the beam, thus producing 4 times the capacity. A 4-layer SHV disc would hold 400 GB, more than enough for a SHV video."




"Alternately, many of the very thin discs could be included in one “cartridge,” which could read several of the discs at the same time, for up to 2.5 TB of data storage."

This could be another alternative, there is drawbacks to the design. Actually, 405nm wavelength is same as blu-ray
Edited by Nitro67 - 9/19/12 at 10:14pm

So why do YOU continue to post them?

According to you, some little piss-ant company in Colorado is gong to replace the work of some of the biggest companies in the world, mass produce a product that has never been mass produced before, and have a yield and reliability fact that will keep the cost down to a couple of bucks per disc. And do this in three years.

If it wasn't so pathetic, I would laugh. Instead it's a BIG

Now that deserves a BIG ROTF LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you doing? You are looking at and posting news articles! Cripes! Practice what you preach! All you have done is made yourself out to be a hypocrite!