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58" tv: sam 550 or pan s2?

post #1 of 35
Thread Starter 
Viewing uverse hd (70%), panasonic bd (15%) and sony dvd (15%), I have a Yamaha 667 receiver. No gaming, internet or 3d.

Prices are close enough that price difference is not a key concern. PQ is top priority. HT setup is in the basement so I don't have to be concerned with ambient light.

I know these both have great PQ but are there any problems that would steer you away from either?

I have a 50" pan 800u in another room that I like. The only problem is that the uverse signal crushes blacks/whites and the panasonic cannot 'uncrush them', although this post suggests ATT has fixed the issue, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1138881
see post #22, 07-24-10, 12:18 AM .

Thanks.

(p.s. I found an older thread with some 550-s2 comparison but the author quickly decided to go with sammy so there wasn't much feedback on the actual comparison between these 2 displays.)
post #2 of 35
.. Samsung C550; search Forum on S2 & graininess, especially in the larger sizes. If you get a good (non-buzzing) C550, would be win-win. Though, believe some have reported buzzing in some Panasonic models too.
post #3 of 35
I own a S2 and I say 550. Better image in that price/size.

All plasmas buzz, depends on how well you can hear, and whether it has a 3rd pc of glass for insulation.
post #4 of 35
I'm in the same boat as you. Trying to decide between the 63 550 or the 65 s2.

S2 people report grainy, floating blacks, rising blacks.

550 people reports buzzing & banding. The banding pictures look horrible.

Maybe I shouldn't get either.
post #5 of 35
S2 has banding also. I was going to buy a 550, but stuck with Panny, because I like them. One thing Ive learned in my short time, is that one brand is not always the best in all price ranges. In the S2 range, the 550 is better, and that comes from talking with the folks who calibrate them. I think the 550 offers a sharper image too. One thing to understand in this price range, no set is perfect, and to be honest, no set is perfect in ANY price range.
post #6 of 35
Thanks for your input Elway. Knowing that someone with an S2 would trade it for a C550 helps.
post #7 of 35
No prob. I have no problem speaking of both the good and bad about things I own. I feel thats the way everyone should be, but sometimes you only get the good.
post #8 of 35
i returned the 58s2 due to poor picture quality, fwiw.
post #9 of 35
The low gamma really hurts it IMO. I had a video processor that allowed for Gamma adjustment, and that made a nice difference.
post #10 of 35
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Originally Posted by Matts4313 View Post

i returned the 58s2 due to poor picture quality, fwiw.

Did you replace it with something with better picture quality?
post #11 of 35
Randy-

yes, i bought a Samsung C680. PQ is tremendously better.
post #12 of 35
I gamed on my c590 for about 3 hours the first night I had it playing black ops and had no burn in at all. I took my wife with shopping to see what she thought of the pictures without any knowledge of the reviews. After looking at the 65" S2 she said "its nice but why is it so grainy". That did it for me, I knew I was getting a Samsung after that.

Really the hesitation for me was the samsung buzzing( I got lucky and didnt get one) and losing 2" of screen size.

I'm really happy with the tv so far.
post #13 of 35
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback, I am starting to lean toward samsung.
post #14 of 35
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Originally Posted by bofa89 View Post

I gamed on my c590 for about 3 hours the first night I had it playing black ops and had no burn in at all. I took my wife with shopping to see what she thought of the pictures without any knowledge of the reviews. After looking at the 65" S2 she said "its nice but why is it so grainy". That did it for me, I knew I was getting a Samsung after that.

Really the hesitation for me was the samsung buzzing( I got lucky and didnt get one) and losing 2" of screen size.

I'm really happy with the tv so far.

Did you notice any input lag while playing Black Ops? I had been sold on the reportedly very low input lag on the Panasonics, even willing to put up with the rising and floating blacks, and possibly highly reflective screen, to do so. However, none of the local retailers even carry the Panasonic 65S2 anymore, and I always try to buy stuff like this locally in case of problems. On the other hand, the 63C550 still seems to be easy to come by in the area, and is at a pretty good price right now, so this thread caught my attention.

Anyway, I know that Samsung LCDs are notorious for high input lag, but I haven't seen much regarding their plasma sets. The buzzing issue still makes me nervous, but if I can play 360/PS3 with reasonable lag without resorting to game mode, I'd be a happy camper. I've got a coupon that will take care of the sales tax on this that expires tomorrow, but I feel like I need more info before I pull the trigger.
post #15 of 35
I was happy with my S2 for a few months till I decided to buy the Samsung 8000 also. Now its a distant 2nd and I would rate it a 5 out of 10. The only viewing where the S2 shines over the 8000 is watching HDNET's Dan Rather Reports and HDNET World Report.
post #16 of 35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 761-honda View Post

I was happy with my S2 for a few months till I decided to buy the Samsung 8000 also. Now its a distant 2nd and I would rate it a 5 out of 10. The only viewing where the S2 shines over the 8000 is watching HDNET's Dan Rather Reports and HDNET World Report.

A lot of my viewing is HD sports off cable. Are you saying the S2 has a better picture for all HD cable channels? Or just, HDNET? Thanks.
post #17 of 35
Nonsense. The 8000 would be superior to the S2 in EVERY category.
post #18 of 35
I think I wrote my post wrong. The 8000 is head and shoulders better than my S2, but for some reason 2 of HDNET shows look better on my S2.
post #19 of 35
Isnt the C500 the same as the 550 just with a few less outputs/inputs in the back of the TV?
post #20 of 35
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lifted07Duramax View Post
Isnt the C500 the same as the 550 just with a few less outputs/inputs in the back of the TV?
I think you are correct that the technology is the same, but I've read that the C500 has a lesser coating on the panel so that lights and sunlight might produce more glare. The difference in price (on sale not msrp) between the C550 and the C500 is about $100. I ruled out the C500 because I think the difference in price should be greater than $100, given the features that are not present on the C500.
post #21 of 35
550 has:
  • 1 more HDMI in
  • Swivel base
  • PiP
  • Better filter
post #22 of 35
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post
550 has:
  • 1 more HDMI in
  • Swivel base
  • PiP
  • Better filter
Thanks Jason. There was some talk in the C550 or C500 thread about differences in panels, or panel coating, but not sure if it was actually verified.

I also see these differences on BB's side by side comparison, if accurate:
550 has:
a USB port, composite input, 1 more component input (2 vs 1), some speakers differences, and no ethernet port for either version.

The usb port on the C550 might make upgrades easier.
post #23 of 35
Yeah, Ive not seen anything on the panel. All that data was pulled from Samsung themselves. Id just buy the 550.
post #24 of 35
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post
Yeah, Ive not seen anything on the panel. All that data was pulled from Samsung themselves. Id just buy the 550.
After a look at the manual, I think the better filter refers to the panel coating.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I was going to buy an s2, but I am going with the C550 instead.
post #25 of 35
Best choice IMO.
post #26 of 35
I would also go with the 550. More picture adjustments as well.
post #27 of 35
Thread Starter 
I went to big box today and they had the C550, C500 and a panasonic s2 set up side by side by side.

These displays are so close you can't tell a difference at first glance. I watched for several minutes and noticed slight differences in glare from the store lights, black levels/crushed blacks and detail in the displayed image.

glare: There was little noticeable difference. I could see reflection of the ceiling lights equally well in all 3. I thought that maybe the S2 diffused the glare a little more so the reflected images were perhaps not quite as sharp, but you wouldn't know the difference if you were not comparing side by side.

black levels - Both samsungs had more contrast and the blacks were blacker. However, they were also crushed. It was easy to make out detail in the S2 dark images that could not be seen on the samsungs. I think this was probably due to a difference in settings, but not sure.

detail - I thought the S2 looked a little softer, but again, I only noticed because the displays were side by side.

The C500 and C550 had nearly identical PQ but not identical tint which leads me to believe the settings were not the same.

The only other thing I noticed besides the crushed blacks on the samsungs vs the S2, was an artifact(?) that was apparent when all tv's in the store simultaneously displayed a yellow screen with black lettering. For instance, the letter A had white instead of yellow in the little triangle that is formed within the letter A, but only on the C500 and the S2. Other letters appeared to have white borders. However, the C550 was solid yellow around the black letters. I asked a salesperson about it and he said it was probably the settings. He wasn't very knowledgeable though.

Maybe someone else can offer an opinion on what might cause a very slight white border to appear around some black letters on a yellow background.

There was no noticeable buzzing, but I didn't put my ear next to the display.

The side by side was helpful in that I can honestly say that if I put any of these three in my home, I would be satisifed with the PQ for the dollars spent.
post #28 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjgje View Post


Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I was going to buy an s2, but I am going with the C550 instead.


I was going to buy an S2 as well but sat in front of it and the C550 for about an hour changing settings and observing. The C550 won me over and I am very happy with it.
post #29 of 35
[quote=tjgje;19895400]I went to big box today and they had the C550, C500 and a panasonic s2 set up side by side by side.

.. QUOTE]

.. respectfully, unless each was calibrated (or) at least feed w/ closest, ideal settings from this Forum, visually, you're not getting a 'true picture' of how it "could" be at home. Also, how were these sets daisy-chained off the main source.

Its good to see how they 'might' look (although abscurded) in your home environment face-to-face, but those who have owned each model would help decidedly guide your decision to a more incitefull conclusion.

p.s. my choice would be the C550.
post #30 of 35
Welp, it looks like my indecision has made my choice for me. The only 65S2s left in brick-and-mortar stores in my state are display models now, and there's no way I'm taking that kind of a risk with a plasma. The 63C550 was still available, and I got a pretty good deal on it, so I've got one scheduled for delivery in a few days. It seems that, at least in this thread, everyone seems to agree that the 550 is the better set, so that reassures me a bit on my choice to purchase. The option of the service menu 590 upgrade is pretty cool, as well. I have to admit, though, that the buzzing, IR, and input lag issues have me a bit nervous. I plan to break it in for a couple hundred hours, though, so as long as the game mode is serviceable, I think it'll be fine.
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