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post #241 of 899
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If you can make the drive, I really can say that you should check out Craig's system. I heard and say his previous setup with Atlantic Tech speakers and his previous projector and it was spectacular. The Crowsons were also really cool. Now, with the Triad speakers, new seats and new projector, plus extra speakers, I am sure it is something to really be in awe of. I hope to make it there some day . But for now, I am anxious in getting my little Crowson setup going.
post #242 of 899
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Thanks Mike. I'm happy that you're happy! I could be happy with your system too.

Craig

Thanks Craig. I know you really like my picture. UMR did do a very nice job on the calibration. But after seeing your screen, and now with your new projector, I really don't think you could be satisfied with my 42in TV.
But thanks. I worked hard on trying to make the best of what I have at my disposal.
post #243 of 899
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I just wanted to add a bit more about video and the all knowing Craig. I always really liked my the look of my TV. The calibration UMR did was very good. As everyone knows I have the OPPO 83, Integra 80.2 and Panasonic 42in Plasma. Besides watching movies I also watch an animated series that I down load. It gets downloaded and I burn it to a DVD so I can watch it on my TV. I get a 480p version. My friend watches his on his computer and he gets the 1080p version. That had me thinking. HMMM.... I wonder if I can upconvert that show to 1080p. So, naturally I emailed Craig. He said the OPPO can not up convert but I can set something up in the Integra that would convert the signal to a higher resolution.

When I found that part of the menu, it was set to 480p. I saw that I could set it to 1080p so that's what I did. Man did that make a difference. The animated shows I watch look so much better. But I have not really had the time to watch any regular DVD's yet. Just a lot of TV. But last night I watched a DVD concert of Eric Clapton and Wynton Marsalis. Holy crap did that look outstanding(as well as sound outstanding). Almost as good as BLU ray. Now I need to watch a few more movies to see how they look. So I need to thank Craig, yet again for helping me get more out of my system.
post #244 of 899
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Just a random question for anybody who might be lurking in here

There is my chair. Again, it is very comfy and I do like it very much. But, the one thing I wish it had was a cup holder. Does anybody know of an aftermarket, clip on cup holder that might fit that type of arm? Probably near the front would be the best place. If not, that's cool. I would also like an easy install if at all possible .
LL
post #245 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I just wanted to add a bit more about video and the all knowing Craig. I always really liked my the look of my TV. The calibration UMR did was very good. As everyone knows I have the OPPO 83, Integra 80.2 and Panasonic 42in Plasma. Besides watching movies I also watch an animated series that I down load. It gets downloaded and I burn it to a DVD so I can watch it on my TV. I get a 480p version. My friend watches his on his computer and he gets the 1080p version. That had me thinking. HMMM.... I wonder if I can upconvert that show to 1080p. So, naturally I emailed Craig. He said the OPPO can not up convert but I can set something up in the Integra that would convert the signal to a higher resolution.

When I found that part of the menu, it was set to 480p. I saw that I could set it to 1080p so that's what I did. Man did that make a difference. The animated shows I watch look so much better. But I have not really had the time to watch any regular DVD's yet. Just a lot of TV. But last night I watched a DVD concert of Eric Clapton and Wynton Marsalis. Holy crap did that look outstanding(as well as sound outstanding). Almost as good as BLU ray. Now I need to watch a few more movies to see how they look. So I need to thank Craig, yet again for helping me get more out of my system.

I know that they are 3 chips that are great at up converting. Anchor Bay, REON and Marvell. There are more but I think these are among the best or were the best the last time I was reading about them.

Good news is your Integra sports the REON and the OPPO has the Anchor Bay ABT2010 both of these chips are said to be exceptional.

Craig would definitely know more than me but I think your OPPO should be able to up convert DVDs but maybe it cant do it with burnt copies or maybe you prefer using it in "Source Direct" for other reasons.

Man, you have to love when you find stuff out that was always there but you never bothered checking it out. I knew I was happy about engaging the THX Cinema mode with Audyssey. Probably would have never tried it if I was not fumbling around the Audyssey thread saw that it was recommended with my model year receiver.
post #246 of 899
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""Source Direct" for other reasons"
Not sure what you mean by that. I am just learning as I go and taking advice from people who know more than me.
post #247 of 899
Your OPPO has the ability to upconvert regular DVD, quite well actually, to 1080P. I'm not sure how you have it hooked up or if burnt/copies of DVDs can be up-converted on the OPPO. I've copied some info below from the OPPO website.

It's possible that the OPPO ABT chip might upconvert standard DVDs better than your Integra with the REON chip or vice versa. Either way it appears that you now have an upconverted picture on standard def material via the Integra.

Again both of those chip are known to be stellar!

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/


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  • Full HD 1080p Output - The BDP-83 features user selectable video output resolutions, including 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and up to 1080p 50 or 60Hz.
  • True 24p Video - Many Blu-ray Discs are recorded at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate as the original movie's theatrical release. The BDP-83 can faithfully redeliver the original frames using 1080p 24Hz output (compatible display required) for smoother motion and a flicker-free, film-like home theater experience. It can also restore the original 24 frames per second progressive-scan video from well-authored DVDs and output as 1080p 24Hz.
  • Source Direct Mode - For users who wish to use an external video processor, high-end audio/video receiver or display, the BDP-83 offers a "Source Direct" mode. The original audio/video content on the discs is sent out with no additional processing or alteration.
post #248 of 899
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I am not sure what the settings in the OPPO are. But it looks so good now I am not sure I want to mess with it. Maybe if Craig comes over again we can experiment some more but for now, I am going to leave it as is. Thanks for the info though.
post #249 of 899
Mike

wrt cup holders;
Inexpensive

Really cool if they would sell in small batches

Found 'em, smaller batches

Note; none of these are Seaton Submersive approved,...for that you'd need to place cup on the sub

Good luck
post #250 of 899
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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

Mike

wrt cup holders;
Inexpensive

Really cool if they would sell in small batches

Found 'em, smaller batches

Note; none of these are Seaton Submersive approved,...for that you'd need to place cup on the sub

Good luck

I saw those other ones you listed second and I don't think that style would work with my chair. But, that first one looks interesting. The main shot of it has it looking kind of short to be holding a drink(glass or can). But, there is another shot of it with a plastic cup in it and the size looks more realistic. Those may work for me. Thanks very much .
post #251 of 899
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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Your OPPO has the ability to upconvert regular DVD, quite well actually, to 1080P. I'm not sure how you have it hooked up or if burnt/copies of DVDs can be up-converted on the OPPO. I've copied some info below from the OPPO website.

It's possible that the OPPO ABT chip might upconvert standard DVDs better than your Integra with the REON chip or vice versa. Either way it appears that you now have an upconverted picture on standard def material via the Integra.

Again both of those chip are known to be stellar!

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/

Thanks Claude,

I don't have my 83 anymore, so I wasn't sure if the Oppo did the upconversion. I had never used it in the Oppo, so I didn't look. I knew the Integra did it, so that's what I recommended to Mike. The next time I'm at Mike's we can play around and see which upconversion looks better. My guess is they'll be pretty similar.

Thanks again for the great info!

Craig
post #252 of 899
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Thanks Claude,

I don't have my 83 anymore, so I wasn't sure if the Oppo did the upconversion. I had never used it in the Oppo, so I didn't look. I knew the Integra did it, so that's what I recommended to Mike. The next time I'm at Mike's we can play around and see which upconversion looks better. My guess is they'll be pretty similar.

Thanks again for the great info!

Craig

Yea, we can see if there is a difference. But so far, I really like the look of DVD's with it setup this way. I still have to watch a few more though.
post #253 of 899
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Craig, or anyone,
OK. I will try not ramble too much. As anybody reading this can see, I have been wondering about upconverting regular DVD's to a higher resolution. Craig explained that my Integra could do this. When I followed his instructions, I saw that the resolution was set to 480p. I think he said I could set it to auto which would set the resolution to the media's max level or I could "force" it as well. From what I remember, the options were 480p(which is what it has been on) 720p, 1080i, 1080p, 1080p/24, auto and direct. I think that is it. Now regular DVD's always looked fine to me and Blu Rays looked really good.

Well, I set the output to 1080p. I finally watched a real movie that was a regular DVD(non-BR) with it set like that. I watched Live Free or Die Hard. I can honestly say, I saw a difference. I even went through the modes 480p up to 1080p and could easily see that the 1080p looked much better. It was very very close to the full BR look. Now here is my question. I never thought that the BR looked bad when the setting was at 480p. Does putting a BR disk in the oppo bypass that setting somehow and set it to 1080p? I have yet to watch a BR in the forced 1080p mode. Can I do that? Will it still look good or is there a possibility that I am really going backwards by setting it to that. When I watch a BR, should I change the setting? I hope that all makes sense and some one can shed some light on this subject for me. It would be great if someone could explain or confirm that what I am doing is OK and that my thoughts on what happening are correct.
post #254 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

From what I remember, the options were 480p(which is what it has been on) 720p, 1080i, 1080p, 1080p/24, auto and direct. I think that is it. Now regular DVD's always looked fine to me and Blu Rays looked really good.

Well, I set the output to 1080p. Does putting a BR disk in the oppo bypass that setting somehow and set it to 1080p? I have yet to watch a BR in the forced 1080p mode. Can I do that? Will it still look good or is there a possibility that I am really going backwards by setting it to that. When I watch a BR, should I change the setting? I hope that all makes sense and some one can shed some light on this subject for me. It would be great if someone could explain or confirm that what I am doing is OK and that my thoughts on what happening are correct.

Mike,
Those are some good questions and I'll try to take a stab at it.

First, I am not sure if when you had the setting set to 480P in the AVR/receiver if that was down converting your Bluray picture from 1080P to 480P or if the receiver was allowing the Bluray signal to just passthrough and not down convert the original 1080P Oppo Bluray signal. My guess would be that its passthrough meaning you were getting the full 1080P signal for bluray anyways but that's just a guess.

My TV is only a 768P TV but it can accept a 1080P signal. If I hit the display/info button on my TV remote, it will display what signal the TV is receiving (480P, 720P, 768P, 1080I, or 1080P). If you have a similar button on your TV remote it may be worth playing with the different settings in the Integra to see what type of signal its sending to the TV. If you don't have that button on your TV, then you can play around with the 1080P and 1080P/24 in your AVR to see which one looks better on your TV. I am not terribly knowledgeable about all this stuff but I do remember reading that some TVs may have a smoother more fluid picture at 1080P vs 1080P/24 and vice versa. It also depends on the source discsome discs may look better than others. If you are not interested in doing any of this, I would say the best bet then is to leave the receiver in 1080P all the time so you get a 1080P signal all the time. I think it would be a pretty safe bet in your case as the REON Chip in the AVR would be doing most of the video processing. Hopefully someone will jump in and make any corrections if I am wrong.
post #255 of 899
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Thanks Claude, I will say that at least on my TV 1080p is smoother then 1080p/24. Like I said, it did something because the regular DVD looked great in 1080p mode vs 480p. I don't know if my TV has a button I can press to see what it is being played back at but I will check. My plan is to leave it on 1080p fron now on just to make sure. Hopefully I can check out a BR to see if it looks even better. I don't know if it can though. It already looks really good. Thanks for the thoughts.
post #256 of 899
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OK. just a quick update. I have yet to try a Blu Ray yet, but yes Claude, I can hit a button on my TV remote to see what output I am getting. When it is in the 1080p mode in my Integra the TV shows that it is 1080p mode as well. Then, for goofs I went into the Integra and dropped it to 720p, I hit the menu button on the remote and it said 720p so it was changing it and the TV was recognizing it.

So the next test is to drop the Integra down to 480p, which is what it has been all this time and put in a BR. Then, hit that info button on my TV remote and see what happens. Hopefully it will say 1080p. If not, then I have been watching down converted BR disks all this time. If that is the case, and the picture can look even better then it does with BR's, I should be very impressed with the picture since I already think it looks great with BR before I made the change.
post #257 of 899
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BTW Claude, I know you said that your TV is only a 768p TV but all those Pioneer TV's, are said to have fantastic pictures. Even the non-Elite ones are supposed to be able to compare with the 1080p picture quality of other TV's.
post #258 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

OK. just a quick update. I have yet to try a Blu Ray yet, but yes Claude, I can hit a button on my TV remote to see what output I am getting. When it is in the 1080p mode in my Integra the TV shows that it is 1080p mode as well. Then, for goofs I went into the Integra and dropped it to 720p, I hit the menu button on the remote and it said 720p so it was changing it and the TV was recognizing it.


Cool....When you have a moment to play around with Blurays I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and if the Integra was indeed letting the bluary signal "passthrough" or down converting the signal to 480P. If it was down converting the signal previously, then you should be getting an even sharper pic now with it set to 1080P on Blurays.
post #259 of 899
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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Cool....When you have a moment to play around with Blurays I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and if the Integra was indeed letting the bluary signal "passthrough" or down converting the signal to 480P. If it was down converting the signal previously, then you should be getting an even sharper pic now with it set to 1080P on Blurays.

I should be able to do a quick test tonight. Like I said, if for some reason it was doing a down conversion and now when I switch it to 1080p I get a better picture, it will be a pleasant surprise .
post #260 of 899
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OK Claude, and who ever else may be interested. Like I said before. I have been just watching movies and BR's assuming that I had I was watching them in the best way. Well, as I mentioned above, I was able to switch the video output from 480p to 1080p in my Integra, The result was that regular DVD's look fantastic now. I had just assumed that a BR disk would be shown at it's max video resolution. Guess what, I was wrong. I put in a BR, "The Kingdom", which is a good movie BTW and experimented. I dropped the resolution down to 480p and hit info. On my TV it said 480p. This was with a BLU RAY disk playing. So I said, "I don't believe it". With the Integra I can change the resolution while the movie is on. So I found a good scene, hit pause and did some changes. I started at 480p, which is what I have been watching. Then I bumped it up to 1080p. Wouldn't you know that the BR picture got better. The persons face became clearer. In the scene he also had some metals and stars on his shoulders. They also became clearer in the 1080p mode as opposed to the 480p mode. So I was actually down converting the video with the way I had it setup. Who would of believed it. I just assumed that if it was BR, I was automatically getting the best video. I was not. There is so much more clarity and definition in the 1080p mode. I can't wait for Craig to come back and check it out. Even though my screen is small, I can live with this picture quality with no problem. So the moral to this story is to make sure that you have ALL your equipment setup correctly.
post #261 of 899
That's awesome Mike! Now you can watch some of your favorite Blurays again and enjoy them even more! As you know all Blurays should look better but any of the Transformers movies on Bluray should look even more stunning now.

Now that I think of it, I noticed the same thing in our other living room about a year or two back. We have an old 36inch Sony HD tube TV. While it's bulky and heavy and does not have a huge screen, it has a picture, IMHO, that rivals the Pioneer Kuro in my HT/living room. I originally had, but did not realize, the HD cable box sending 480P picture to that TV. This 480P thing was like this for a while too and I had friends come over and tell me That old TV still has one of the best pictures I've seen! The picture was fantastic and I was convinced that I was getting a full HD signal until I went in there and change the HD cable box setting to 1080I and saw an even bigger improvement.
post #262 of 899
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I am sure TF2 and TF3 should look awesome. But I assume TDK, Avatar, and many others will look fantastic as well. Again, I am really impressed with how good up-converted regular DVD's look too. So now, I am sure everything is running at it's top end. I also had a Sony. I had a 34XBR800. That had a fantastic picture as well. That was running a regular DVD player and an DVI cable. But I am really happy with how the picture looks now.
post #263 of 899
Hi Mike,

There are few other things to consider here. If you set the Integra to 1080P, it will convert everything to 1080P/60, which means everything is shown at 60 frames per second. However, most movies are shot at 24 frames per second on the original film. They are then transferred to BluRay at 1080P/24. So, for movies, you want to select the 1080P/24 setting. If you have a BluRay that was shot on video, (like some concert BluRays, etc.) you want to use 1080P/60, (1080P setting). Otherwise, you can just leave it at 1080P for everything else, (TV, DVD's, VHS tapes, Play Station, etc.)

Also, in the Oppo, you want to set it so it outputs 1080P/24. On the remote, there is a resolution button on the lower left corner. Toggle through the settings until you see "Auto." Select that one. Then, when the player senses a 1080P/24 disc, it will automatically switch to that resolution. (I'm pretty sure I set it to Auto when I first installed the Oppo. However, things can often get changed over time.)

When I was there last with Dennis, you had already made the change to 1080P in the Integra, so we watched at 1080P.

Craig
post #264 of 899
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Thanks Craig, If I made the change already to 1080p I don't remember doing that. Somehow it must of slipped because it was at 480p in the Integra. So for movies, I should switch it to 1080/24 in the Integra. For everything else I can keep it at just 1080p. In the OPPO set it to auto. Then I should be good to go? I am telling you, I don't know what changed, but the picture has never looked this good before. I will try you changes. Thanks again.
post #265 of 899
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Again, if I made that change when you came over before the Crowson I don't remember. I guess I am getting old. But some how, recently, it looked as though it was back at 480p so who knows. I can tell you that I never went back and forth between 1080p and 1080/24. So I did that. I watched TDK. It looked simply stunning. Really. I have never seen a picture look as good as this did. The city skyline, the writing on the side of the truck when the Joker attacks etc.. looked so clear. The part where the Joker is talking to Gordon in the holding cell when the lights are off was really good. All you saw was pitch black and the Jokers face. I don't know how or why, but the picture for BR and regular DVD's have never looked better. BTW, it is set to auto in the OPPO. Once I get that Crowson(i should get the 3 motion isolators today ) and wait for the amp I will be a happy camper. I will say it. I freakin love my setup. The picture quality that I am getting makes the size something I am willing to live with. Added with the sound, to me, it is quite impressive.
P.S Just to make sure, when I watch a BR it should be in the 1080p/24 mode and when I watch my cable, or a regular DVD I can put it back to just 1080p. Is that correct?
post #266 of 899
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OK Craig, sorry for asking for more clarification but, regular DVD's and cable should be 1080p. BR disks should be 1080p/24. Is that correct?
Thanks
post #267 of 899
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I know this is my 4th strait post but I don't care. It's my thread and I will do as I please. This is for anybody with more video experience then me, which is quite a few of you. If anybody else is in here. I know what contrast ratio is. It is the difference between the lowest black and the lightest white a video system can produce. I have a multi part question. First, what is considered a good contrast ratio? Would something around 4100:1 real, not that 1,000,000,000 dynamic be labeled as "good". Also, would the contrast ratio change for the better after a TV is calibrated? Would sitting 8 feet from a 42in TV with a contrast ratio of 4100:1 be good? I have read where the even the non elite Kuro TV's have either 8000:1, 16000:1 or higher. I am assuming that is real as well. Don't get me wrong. I really like the picture on my TV. The blacks are jet black to me with all the lights off but the other colors also pop off the screen. I was just curious if anybody had any thoughts on what a good CR was and if it changes after calibration for the better.
EDIT:
I double checked my numbers. I went back to the calibration report that Jeff M gave me. I still think this is precalibration but on his report he has something called On/Off Contrast ratio. It is listed as 7472. So I guessing that is 7472:1. I saw a review of a G20(I have a G25, which is really the same TV.) It indicated that the black level became better after it was calibrated. Again, I wonder what it is now with it being over 2 years after calibration. That number seems a bit better to me. That is him correcting THX mode. I think I mentioned it has a mode called custom. That has many more options that can be adjusted. Just saying. Anyway, I still like my picture and if you ask Craig, I hope he would agree. I am not a good chart reader for video stuff but I also think that the charts show a that I am getting a good, acurate picture. Just figured I would add a little video stuff to go along with all the audio stuff
post #268 of 899
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Went into the menu of the Integra, changed it to Auto, and that seemed to work. BR disks look as good as if I had it on 1080p/24. When I hit the "info" button on my TV remote it says 1080p. Now it does not say 1080p/24 but even when I forced it, it did not say that when I hit the info button so I think I am OK there. So now I am good to go. The picture is the best looking picture I think I have ever seen. Size not withstanding, I am very pleased with the results.
Edit: 5 posts in a row by the thread owner. That has to be a record.
post #269 of 899
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I am glad there is not a rule with how many posts someone post in their own thread right in a row. I know I am probably the only one who cares about this but I am getting back into listening to more records. I know, snap crackle pop. But it does not have to be that way. If your record is clean, and your cart is clean, there should be no noise are hardly anything at all that would take away from the music. I just bought another SRV 180g record. I can't wait to give that a spin. So I am going to get back into listening more because I really like how they sound on my system. I know I am in the minority with the full digital age upon us. But I don't care. In an unrelated note, I don't have my speakers spiked. That is something I will need help with. I have the spikes but I can't do it on my own. I have a feeling the changes will be very positive. Hopefully I will be able to do that at some point.
post #270 of 899
Mike,

It's always a pleasure reading your updates.

It's nice to read someone enjoying their vinyl. Regardless of the fidelity arguments,.. pros and cons, surface noise, etc, there is something very therapeutic about putting a LP on the turntable, turning it on and easing the needle into the groove. IMO (and I currently have no means for playback of my vinyl), the entire procedure seems so purposeful, focusing your musical, artful side of the brain on the enjoyment of the material.


Thanks for sharing
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