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post #301 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Sometimes both but I would say over 80% is "Pure Audio". No sub or Audyssey at all. Like I said, I will do some more critical listening and see what happens.

Here is why I asked the question, Mike. Audyssey has a slightly rolled-off high end as part of their target curve. I wonder if what you're hearing is the extra HF energy without Audyssey engaged. Try running your system in "stereo" with Audyssey. If you don't want the sub, shut it off and run the mains full range. See if that reduces the issue you're hearing with the high frequencies.

Craig
post #302 of 899
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Will do. So all I have to do is run it in stereo and Audyssey will be engaged? I will give that a shot. Then I am guessing that I have to into the menu and change the menu for my mains to full. Is that what you mean? But I will add that I do run the system sometimes in stereo with the sub on. I am guessing that Audyssey is still engaged that way? I still noticed the "issue" that way as well but I will continue to expriment.
post #303 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Will do. So all I have to do is run it in stereo and Audyssey will be engaged? I will give that a shot. Then I am guessing that I have to into the menu and change the menu for my mains to full. Is that what you mean? But I will add that I do run the system sometimes in stereo with the sub on. I am guessing that Audyssey is still engaged that way? I still noticed the "issue" that way as well but I will continue to expriment.

Correct. You can verify by looking at the front panel of the 80.2. The Audyssey logo will be lit if Audyssey is engaged.
post #304 of 899
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OK, here is an update. Hopefully it will make sense. I ran the system in stereo mode, with the crossover at 80Hz, no sub. It still sounded "wrong" to me. I also went into the menu, changed my speakers to "full range" and ran some music again in stereo mode. That sounded better. The issue seemed not as pronounced. I went back and forth a number of times while a song was playing. To me, it sounded a little better with the mains in full range mode. I also tried it with the sub on(with the cross over and with the speakers in full range) and it still sounded better in full range.

Then I decided to try something else. I don't know if this did anything different then what I described but I figured I would give it a try. I put it in stereo mode, with the crossover at 80hz, and I went into the menu and I turned of Audyssey off all together. That sounded even better. Then I ran the speakers in full range mode with Audyssey still off and I think that sounded the best. That had the least edge, sharpness, distortion, or whatever I am trying to describe. But again, it is really hard to do this because I am having a hard time trying to explain what I am hearing and there is no guarantee that anyone else will hear what I hear.

It also does not explain why this seemed to happen out of the blue. It just happened one day after I was listening to some music. Not any louder then I have done before. The one thing I did not do was listen again in bypass mode. Now I thought that bypass mode shut every thing down, including Audyssey, yet I seem to remember that I noticed the issue in that mode as well. So I really don't know what the issue is. It's not so bad that my system is un-listenable. The only thing I can think of is something that I know many people here will not subscribe to so I will keep that thought to myself. But if there are any other tests that I can do, short of moving and disconnecting stuff, please let me know.

P.S Craig, If am understanding what you said at the top of the page, my experience seems to be the opposite of what you suggested may happen .
post #305 of 899
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The only thing I can think of is something that I know many people here will not subscribe to so I will keep that thought to myself. But if there are any other tests that I can do, short of moving and disconnecting stuff, please let me know.

If it's ok with you, I for one would like to know what the thought is that you will be keeping to yourself.
post #306 of 899
Mike,

It really sounds like something failed in your AVR

You might try doing a full system reset and then running the Audyssey calibration again. It might be able to compensate for whatever's gone wrong.
post #307 of 899
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Well, the Integra 80.2 is my preamp. I hope it's not that. I don't think I have read where something electronic would fail in that way. I am going to do more listening to see if it is all in my head which I do admit, may be the case. But I may try a rest of everything and re-do it all. That is just not my first choice to do on my own that's all. But thanks for the sugestion.
post #308 of 899
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I am going to try and be logical about this. When I had a problem with my center(blown tweeter) we heard it right away. Then after awhile the volume of level droped in that speaker so it was not as loud as before. That has not happened in this case. Both speakers are still playing at the same level and also, one side does not seem louder then the other. As a matter of fact, in some ways, my speakers sound better then they ever have before. I seem to be hearing more into the music. The instruments are more seperated from each other. In bands like TOOL and GnR sometimes it was hard to make out what was being sung, but now, I can make it out better. Diana Krall is another example. Plus, my center soundstage has never been better. If something was wrong with one of my speakers, I don't think that would happen. So I am not going worry about it and maybe when Craig comes over, if he hears it, he can tell me what his thoughts are.
post #309 of 899
Mike,

Try this: plug in the Audyssey mic and take one measurement. (Ignore the subwoofer level setting and just keep hitting "Next" until Audyssey runs the first measurement.) After the first measurement, Audyssey will report the speaker configuration. If it finds something wrong with a speaker, it will report an error for that speaker. If there is a problem with your L/R's, Audyssey may find it. If it does, you have your answer. If it doesn't, there could still be something wrong, but not bad enough for Audyssey to find it.

Once you've done this, just unplug the mic and nothing will be saved. You'll be back to your previous Audyssey settings.

Let us know what you find.

Craig
post #310 of 899
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OK. I will try and do that when I can Craig. I watched an older movie last night, The Professional. With that movie I could not detect anything wrong with the speakers. But I will try that test.
post #311 of 899
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I don't want to mess anything up. When you say take one measurment and keep hitting next, do you mean when it does one cycle, then asks me for another position, I run that test again? How will I know when to stop? I mean does the first measurement mean one cycle of those test tones, or does it mean I have to keep on going until it is done all the positions.
post #312 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I don't want to mess anything up. When you say take one measurment and keep hitting next, do you mean when it does one cycle, then asks me for another position, I run that test again?

No. Just hit "Next" until you get past the subwoofer level setting screen. Then run 1 cycle of test tone sweeps through all the speakers and subs. When that's finished, it will report the speaker configuration and/or any errors found.

Craig
post #313 of 899
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OK. I will try.
post #314 of 899
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I know people are going to say I am the man who cried wolf, but I don't think there is anything wrong with my speakers. I listened to almost one entire disk of Little Feat "Waiting for Columbus", and it sounded great. I could detect no distortion at all. The highs were just clean and crisp that's all. Plus, I may have mentioned this before but I have also listened to some SACD's and they sounded great too. I just think that what I thought was a problem, or just distortion, was really a bad recording. So I am not going to worry about any more because the speakers are really reveling and I think that is what I am experiencing. Also, as I said before, on the few LP's I played, they sounded excellent. So that's that. I hope people understand that and don't hold it against me.
post #315 of 899
Mike,

We all want to believe that the people producing the music that we so much enjoy put a comparable amount of care into their creations. Too often, though, that's not the case. Some CDs, DVDs and BDs just aren't worth the plastic they're made of.
post #316 of 899
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Kind of sad really. I want everything to sound great. But alas, I guess it's not meant to be .
post #317 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I know people are going to say I am the man who cried wolf, but I don't think there is anything wrong with my speakers. I listened to almost one entire disk of Little Feat "Waiting for Columbus", and it sounded great. I could detect no distortion at all. The highs were just clean and crisp that's all. Plus, I may have mentioned this before but I have also listened to some SACD's and they sounded great too. I just think that what I thought was a problem, or just distortion, was really a bad recording. So I am not going to worry about any more because the speakers are really reveling and I think that is what I am experiencing. Also, as I said before, on the few LP's I played, they sounded excellent. So that's that. I hope people understand that and don't hold it against me.

Ya know - this reminds me of the first time I heard a pair of MG-20s on a high end system. I was doing some engineering work in San Antonio ages ago and wound up in this high end store that just happened to sell maggies - after work of course. I had a few CDs in my car and one of them was of the group "Double". We put the CD in the player and went straight to "Captain of her Heart". I had listened to that tune so many times before but had never heard the stuff revealed through this system. As much as I hate to say it, the recording turned out to be not very good. You could actually tell that the vocals, which kind've made the tune, were coming from an echo chamber. It didn't stop me from listening to the CD since that still remains one of my favorite tunes but my take-away was that indeed not all recordings are created equally - as you have also stated. From the read of it, the SQ of your system just went up a notch.
post #318 of 899
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Yep, I think we have a pattern here. At least for me, I think I have a pretty reveling system that will show flaws in either equipment or recordings. So now I just have to make sure I get the good stuff . Lucky for me I know of a few online stores I can check out to get well recorded CD's and LP's.
If anyone is interested, here are a few places
http://store.acousticsounds.com/index.cfm
http://www.classicrecords.com/
http://www.telarc.com/
http://site.bluenote.com/
http://www.aixrecords.com/index.html
http://www.mofi.com/store/pc/home.asp
http://www.aporecords.com/FLASHindex.cfm
http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/
http://www.elusivedisc.com/products.asp?dept=859 XRCD's
That is a good list to start. All of those places either sell other High Rez audio and LP's or they sell their own.
post #319 of 899
And if you're into streaming and high def downloads, this from the Linn website. I just posted it on the Theta thread.

post #320 of 899
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I really haven't downloaded that much music. I guess I am just so used to buying stuff from stores. But I have a friend who downloads stuff all the time. That is a good list though.
post #321 of 899
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I just want to say again how much I enjoy the Crowson setup. Last night I watched TF DOTM. I always thought it sounded great. In fact, I think it's one of the best sounding soundtracks I have ever heard. The bass is incredibly tight. The Crowson really added that little something to make the movie even more fun. Especially that orgy of action that took up about the last hour of the film . I probably could have put it up to three on the BK amp but I left it at 2.5 and it was still fun. So far, most movies have done well with that setting. Hopefully, the next movie I will be able to see will be TDK with the Crowson. Won't be for a few weeks but I am looking forward to that one.
post #322 of 899
Glad you're having fun Mike. Had us worried there for a moment :>)
post #323 of 899
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I think I was just being paranoid. Lately, music and movies seemed to be fine so I am not going to sweat it any more.
post #324 of 899
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Just want to give one more quick update. Last night I listened to some John Mayall. It is a live album that has tenor and alto sax. It has a flute. It also has bass and acustic guitars that are mic'ed. Also, of course it has vocals and the harmonica. Plus crowd noise. All the instruments sounded incredible. They were all blending together yet I could also pick each one out. Not to mention the great sound stage I have. So yea, I think I am OK.
post #325 of 899
Glad it was only a false alarm and you back to enjoying the set up.

I have to agree Transformers DSOTM is one of my all time favorite movies for sound.
post #326 of 899
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Yep. I am back to normal. Well, normal in regards to my system . And Claude, sorry but I just can't hold back . It's not Transformers DSOTM. That would be a Pink Floyd(Dark Side Of The Moon)&Michael Bay production and I don't think that's what happned. But it would be cool though. Maybe they sinc up like in the Wiazrd of Oz.
post #327 of 899
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

And Claude, sorry but I just can't hold back . It's not Transformers DSOTM. That would be a Pink Floyd(Dark Side Of The Moon)&Michael Bay production and I don't think that's what happned. But it would be cool though. Maybe they sinc up like in the Wiazrd of Oz.

LOL!
post #328 of 899
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Like I said, I could not resist. I can't wait to watch a few more movies and watch some movies.
post #329 of 899
mike - just so I don't have to go back and read the threads - once again, what kind of speakers? and how far apart?
post #330 of 899
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Originally Posted by javry View Post

mike - just so I don't have to go back and read the threads - once again, what kind of speakers? and how far apart?

JM Labs 1027be. Probably about 8-9 feet apart with that being the max. With the way I have them set up, the center sound stage is fantastic. I had Craig set them up in the right spot so I know they are setup great. BTW, the speakers are great IMHO. I really like Focal speakers very much . They are very transparent and you will hear what your system and media really sounds like, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
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