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Thanks. We shall see how it goes. It may have to be spread over two days since they both can't make it on Sat.

You have a lot of movie catching up to do Mike smile.gif
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You have a lot of movie catching up to do Mike smile.gif
Tell me about it.
OHF
Oblivion
OZ
Star Trek:Into the Dark(Buying that this week)
Plus a bunch of others that I can't think of right now. It should be great. I can't wait to get back to ripping again.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/10/13 at 12:27pm
post #783 of 899
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OK, Here we go.
This may get long so you better settle in. Craig came over today to setup my system, yet again. I think this is like the 4 or 5th time he has worked on my system. Often with Dennis, but he was busy today so it was just Craig. So Craig made it to my house by about 8:30. He saw the surrounds first and said what the... I think he as upset that the mounts had failed as they did. But, I said not to worry, I bought some others. Of course they did not work either. Perfect. So now what. Well, un-phased, Craig just place a screw in the wall, he was able to find the stud, and then just placed the surrounds on the screw. The surrounds had a place that we were able to use for that. But that was at least 20 min right there.

Then he worked on connecting everything to to 80.3. When I was sending out the 80.2, he wanted me to just disconnect everything and try to label the stuff my self. I was able to convince him that was a bad idea tongue.gif, and suggested that he come over do that. Well he did. And he marked all my cables as well. Let me tell you, it's a good thing he did that and the he disconnected the 80.2 himself because if he did not, it would have taken much longer to connect everything. But things were flowing pretty well.

Once everything was connected we had to do all the input assignments. That wasn't too bad. Then came the room calibration. That again was a little tricky because of the new menu system in the 80.3, but Craig was able to figure out what he had to do. Then, once everything was connected, and the server was setup, it was time for Audyssey. I left the room so Craig would have more space to work. Then he gave me the all clear to come back in. Then we setup the Crowson with the right level and set a max level so I could not over drive the system. Then... Something magical happened.

We started to just listen to some clips and do some fine tuning. What I heard was probably the BEST sound I had EVER had in my room. This counts all the other times Craig has calibrated my system. Before, with the 80.2, if I went beyond -16 or -15, it was really loud and became uncomfortable. Now, I can go to -10 and my system and my ears are just cursing. -8 or higher is not even an issue. And the Crowson handled those levels as well. I just could not believe it. I was sitting in the chair without the Crowson, and my pant legs were starting to move. The entire system has never sounded better. I mean, Craig and I just were in amazement and said we both said "yep, I think we got it." As I said before, and I don't mean to boast, but I don't think I have heard many systems that sound better then mine does right now. Well, I think that enough at this point. I am busy backing up my media but when I watch some more movies, I will post some more thoughts. I think Craig is also going to post his thoughts as well. I can't wait to hear how he thought it went and I am really looking forward to what he has to say concerning the sound and the charts that I think he is going to post. Until later, I will be enjoying my system biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif.
post #784 of 899
Great!
Thanks for letting us know.

Had you done anything to treat the room's acoustics? Absorbent panels or the like?
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Well, I think we had a very *successful* day yesterday. As Mike said, we got the surrounds remounted. The previous speaker mounts had failed. They were ball-and-socket, compression mounts and the weight of the speakers had gradually overcome the compression joint. The left surround is mounted above the door. It had migrated down so far, it was interfering with the door closing. I ended up mounting them directly to the wall using the keyhole mount on the back of the speaker. This placed them well above ear level and aimed overhead. I was concerned that this would be a problem, but we decided to let Audyssey work it's magic and see how it turned out. More on that later.

Next we got the 80.3 installed, with everything re-connected. We had labeled all the interconnects when we disconnected the 80.2, so re-connecting was a lot easier than I anticipated. Mike's rack is not easily moveable and the pre/pro goes on the lowest shelf, so I had to use some unusual body mechanics to get everything re-connected, but I got it done pretty quickly.

We then re-installed Mike's sever. I had taken it to my place when he first had the problems to test it on my system. Media servers are not my forte' so I had a little trepidation about installing it, but everything went fine. smile.gif I had ripped a few things to the server from my collection, (mostly concert videos), and Mike seemed pleased with everything.

Next, I pulled out XTZ and ran some measurements. We looked at the response with the default settings in the pre/pro. Here they are:

Pre-SMS-1


Note the huge, 20 dB peak at 40 Hz. That is an inherent mode in Mike's room at his listening position. In the upper right corner you can see a 2D waterfall of the Time/Energy/Frequency response. Note the very intense resonance at 40 Hz depicted by the red to yellow spike extending into the time domain. That resonance/ringing has a seriously detrimental effect on the sound. The SMS-1 was used to knock that down before we ran Audyssey. Here is the result:

Post-SMS-1:


Note that the peak is knocked down and the resonance is significantly reduced as well.

Here is the sub by itself with an 80 Hz crossover:

Sub Only, 80 Hz crossover:


And here is the speakers run "Full Range" with no subwoofer. Mike likes to listen to 2-channel in this mode, so we wanted to see how it measured:

Speakers Full Range:


Note that the spike at 40 Hz is back. This indicates that the problem is inherent to the LP and is independent of the source.

Next we ran Audyssey, 8 positions around the sweet spot. The results indicated that Audyssey had done a good job with Distances and Levels. The crossovers were all set to 40 Hz, so I reset them to 80 Hz, and re-measured the response. Here is the combined result of the speakers and sub with an 80 Hz crossover:

Post-Audyssey Speakers + Sub, 80 Hz crossover:


eek.gif That's pretty good, right?

Here's the sub alone with an 80 Hz crossover:



eek.gif WOW! That's one of the best measurements I've ever taken!

Finally, we measured the speakers run Full Range without the sub. I was surprised by this result. Audyssey knocked down the peak, but it also raised the LF's a LOT.



I had suggested to Mike that he listen to 2-channel music in "Stereo" mode with the sub engaged because that measurement looked so much better, and would likely sound better. Looking more closely at this measurement reinforces that recommendation, but for different reasons. With all that LF boost, I would be concerned about headroom with this setting. If Mike wants to listen to 2-channel without the sub, I strongly suggest he be very judicious with the MVC. Either that or he should also shut off Audyssey and use the "Direct" mode.

After running Audyssey, we spent some time dialing in the Crowson. I think we got it "just right." We set a "maximum volume" setting of -5, (which is a lot louder than Mike usually listens), so he's not likely to have any further problems with over-driving the transducer.

Finally, we listened to some content. First up was "Art of Flight." That sounded fantastic. Next was "Tron." That sounded excellent as well. I was quite pleased with how the surrounds sounded in their new mounting positions. Audyssey did an excellent job of integrating them.

Overall, I think it was a very successful day. smile.gif Mike is back in business and his system sounds better than ever, which is exceptionally good indeed.

Craig
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Thanks again Craig. I have to admit that I was really surprised that we got everything done and you still left at around 2:30. What a team we are tongue.gif. Anyway, to your music point, I will listen in stereo mode from now on because how can you fight that FR. It does sound fantastic now and after I have time to watch some movies and listen to some music, I will report back what my thoughts are again, But first impressions are that it was a great success yesterday. I am still impressed that we were able to listen at to me, was a loud level on the Integra, yet it did not hurt and there was no fatigue at all. Thanks again.
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Congrats on getting the system back up and running, Mike!

That response does look pancake flat! biggrin.gif
By the looks of the Post Auydessy waterfall, you have strong output down to the single digits eek.gifcool.gif

Craig, Thanks for helping out Mike and providing the graphs!

Did you guys leave the Subm in Pgm1 or Pgm2? Either way it looks sweet!!!!!smile.gif

Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts once you had some more movie and music time, Mike.
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Congrats on getting the system back up and running, Mike!

That response does look pancake flat! biggrin.gif
By the looks of the Post Auydessy waterfall, you have strong output down to the single digits eek.gifcool.gif

Craig, Thanks for helping out Mike and providing the graphs!
Hi Claude,

Mike is a stand-up guy, a very helpful forum member, a great host and a good friend. It's a no-brainer to want to help him out.
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Did you guys leave the Subm in Pgm1 or Pgm2? Either way it looks sweet!!!!!smile.gif
We left it in Pgm1, but we turned DEQ on.
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Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts once you had some more movie and music time, Mike.
I'll be interested too. smile.gif

Craig
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Thanks guys. Yep. I am going to try and do some listening this week. I know that I should be able to get some music in and I I should also be able to get at least one movie in. Now Craig, I still can't believe that we were able to go as loud as we did, under -10 I think right? We did that with the torture scene from TRON and the Crowson held up fine. The other major scenes that are low and loud are from HTTYD and WOTW. There is no reason why I should be scared of those movies at the same level right? You know me. I just want to make sure.

Claude, I still can't believe the response I get. I am sure it is into the single digits. That is just sick. I am busy doing some media maintenance(server related) but that won't stop me from enjoying movies in the mean time. Plus, being able to close the door is really cool now. With my curtains closed, there is no ambient light at all that gets in the room. So yea, I am happy camper.

Thanks again Craig.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/16/13 at 5:46am
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" If Mike wants to listen to 2-channel without the sub, I strongly suggest he be very judicious with the MVC. Either that or he should also shut off Audyssey and use the "Direct" mode."
So If I put the 80.3 in direct mode, I will get the L\R speakers only but I will loose Audyssey right? That means I will get that really uneven FR that you posted of my main speakers. That chart of the speakers by themselves, full range without Audyssey has my speaker response looking like the alps. I can see why the stereo mode that adds the sub is the better option. Plus, I have been listening to some music here and there and it does sound pretty damn good that way.

I know people normally say a totally flat response is really no good for music, but I think it sounds fine in my room. Also, now that I have surrounds placed differently, I do think they sound even better. So I would be curious as to what MC modes anyone would suggest I try and if those modes are in the music or movie section of the 80.3 options. More to come as I find time to watch more movies.
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Supposedly, research done by Harman International revealed that people preferred the sound of music when the room's acoustics resulted in a downward slope in frequency response from the lowest frequencies to the highest. Audyssey tends to produce a flat frequency response, although the "movie" slope does include a rolloff in the highest frequencies.

FWIW, my impression is that many people like the surround effects produced by the DTS Neo processor more than they do Dolby Prologic or Audyssey DSX. A lot also depends on how the music was mixed. Some two-channel recordings are intentionally mixed with surround-sound phasing taken into account, especially when they accompany discrete multichannel surround-sound mixes on the same disc. Supposedly, however, most CD recording studios don't pay any attention to it. As a result, the surround-sound effects are essentially random since the people mixing the tracks weren't listening to it. Some people ("purists") would rather listen to two-channel audio as the recording artists "intended", but others get much more enjoyment from the enveloping soundfield generated by one of the surround-sound decoders.
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I admit that I am a 2ch purist. I spent many hours listening to high end, full range systems in well treated rooms. I think that's where my bias comes from. What's interesting is that I thought the FR of my speakers by them selves would be much better on their own because I do like the music when it was played in bypass mode. I think part of that was in my room, I felt I got a better center sound stage from the bypass mode then in stereo mode. But now, some how, I really like the center stage imaging I get when listening in stereo. I don't know why, but it sounds better with the 80.3 then it did with the 80.2. I guess I also felt that the bass I was getting from my mains alone was pretty good to my ears and that since I had full range speakers, using a sub was "cheating".

Your thoughts on the surround modes for 2ch also are why I mainly stuck with only 2ch for music. Unless it was a SACD or DVD-A that was specifically mixed for 5.1. If it was a disk that was mixed in 5.1, then I really like the multi-channel effect. The center and surrounds are utilized the way they should be. But with 2ch music, whenever I used to try one of those "matrixed" style it always did not do anything for me in my room. I will continue to experiment, now that I have the surrounds in a different spot. But I do like the stereo mode includes the sub now then I did before.
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FWIW, Dolby Prologic in Music mode on the 80.3 includes several settings to control how much audio gets redirected to the different speakers. (See page 56 of the owner's manual.) Including the center but not the surrounds supposedly can be quite effective. The Neo:X implementation doesn't seem to have as much flexibility. (The two seem to vary a lot in their features among the various receivers and pre/pros.)
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I will probably just experiment and see if any are to my liking. I am guessing not too many people like all channel stereo, concert, or club modes etc... We shall see what, if any I like more then just plain stereo in my room.
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I mostly agree with your opinion of the different modes. Most are fun to play with once, but then they can be ignored. However, I think "all channel stereo" is intended to be a "party mode" -- so you can wander around a large room (or house) full of people and hear the same music from whatever speaker you're close to. But in that case, all-channel-monaural probably would be better.
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I am not saying though that I think these modes that take a 2ch signal and mix them to multi-channel are bad. When I was over at Craig's house that's how we listened to regular cd's and it sounded fantastic. TBH, I forget what mode is was mostly in, but I really enjoyed it. Now he has a 9.3 setup so it's possible the front width speakers and extra side and surround speakers he has helps make the music sound better in his room when using one of those other modes. For me, unless it is a mix that is multi-channel from the beginning, I can't hear the benefit in my room.

As two examples. the SACD of DSOTM and a mulit channel SACD I have of Junior Wells sound freaking awsome with all my speakers playing. But if I put on an Allman Brothers, TOOL, or any other regular CD, those effects don't sound nearly as good in my room. But as I said, in Craig's room, those modes sound really really good. So who knows. I gues the best answer is just experiment and see what sounds the best.
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Yup.

What matters is what you enjoy the most in your room with your system!
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OK. I had a chance to watch a "real" movie tongue.gif in my system. I watched OHF. WOW did that sound fantastic. The sound was just so good. To me, everything was just the way it should be. Vocals were clear. The sound track was awesome. The sound that came from the stuff off camera in the front L\R speakers was really great. Whether it was just sound effects like a truck or shooting, or individuals talking. The surrounds also sounded fantastic in their new positions. A really good sense of 360 degree movement at times. And of course the low stuff. The SubMersive and Crowson really loved those parts. I read that the Washington Monument coming down had strong low bass and believe me it does, My Crowson picked all of that stuff up. And I did not even have it that loud. I was only at -16db. But it was enough for me to get all the effects I wanted. Plus being able to close my door was a plus also.

TBH, I never really listen that loud. I used to think anything above -16db in my room was overwhelming. But not now. Now, -16db sounds insanely good biggrin.gif. There was no strain and I know that I could even go louder if I wanted to because we did that when we were testing the system after Craig set and calibrated everything. I really don't know how he does it, but every time Craig does a calibration on my system, it sounds better then the last time he did it. I know I have said this before, and it is true every time I say it, but my system has NEVER sounded better then it does right now. The idea that I could go above -16 without overwhelming my ears in my room is really impressive to me. So I am a very happy camper. I can't wait to check out some other movies like Oblivion and Oz. But as I said before, I have to thank Craig a lot for setting up and calibrating everything the way he did. I can't wait to check out all the movies I have but waited on watching.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/18/13 at 5:40am
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My $0.02.

The improvement u r getting has much less to do with the 80.3 vs the 80.2 and MUCH more to do with Audyssey. I have probably run Audyssey (Pro) 50 times. And while I get the mic positions close to the the same spot each time, it is certainly not exact (my OCD has its limits). It is very typical that each set of measurements produces a certain sound that is different (either better or worse) than the last time.

That said, my bet is that the reason it sounds better is that Craig with both his skill AND some good fortune, got everything to click more so than the last time.
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My $0.02.

The improvement u r getting has much less to do with the 80.3 vs the 80.2 and MUCH more to do with Audyssey. I have probably run Audyssey (Pro) 50 times. And while I get the mic positions close to the the same spot each time, it is certainly not exact (my OCD has its limits). It is very typical that each set of measurements produces a certain sound that is different (either better or worse) than the last time.

That said, my bet is that the reason it sounds better is that Craig with both his skill AND some good fortune, got everything to click more so than the last time.
I agree. I read and was told that the SQ difference between the 80.2 and 80.3 was just about nil. So I knew what I should expect in the SQ department. I am just impressed that after this particular calibration, the results were the best I have ever heard in my room. I have never had a Pro cal for Audyssey in my system though. But with results like I have, that bare themselves out in the charts above, I really don't see what a Pro cal would get me.

P.S my room is not the easiest to setup. I am on the second floor with a semi main road outside my window. I think Craig said I have about 15db of ambient noise coming from the road(if he reads this maybe he can confirm). But I know that I was out of the room when he was running Audyssey so I am not sure what he did with the mike all the time. I do know that at one time he was trying to the setup, a big tractor trailer came rolling down the road and Craig was sure that would screw things up. Either he took that measurement again, or it really did not affect the final outcome too much. In the end, my room is honestly one of the best rooms I have ever heard. Especially when you consider it is a small room, with only a single sub and just a 5.1 setup.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/18/13 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

My $0.02.

The improvement u r getting has much less to do with the 80.3 vs the 80.2 and MUCH more to do with Audyssey. I have probably run Audyssey (Pro) 50 times. And while I get the mic positions close to the the same spot each time, it is certainly not exact (my OCD has its limits). It is very typical that each set of measurements produces a certain sound that is different (either better or worse) than the last time.

That said, my bet is that the reason it sounds better is that Craig with both his skill AND some good fortune, got everything to click more so than the last time.
You are exactly correct, (once again), Chuck. One small detail that I didn't previously mention is that I ran a very tight grouping of measurements centered on the LP. In the past, I've run wider sets of measurement positions. This time, I kept all the mic positions within about 24" of the primary LP.

The background noise level in Mike's room is rather high, especially with the traffic on the road outside his window. It's about 15 dB higher than I would like to see it. There were at least 2 occasions where Audyssey repeated measurements at a higher level because the background noise was too high during those particular measurements. Nonetheless, it seemed like Audyssey was able to sort out the signal from the noise and the results speak for themselves. smile.gif

Mike, I'm glad to hear your system sounds so good. smile.gif

Craig
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You are exactly correct, (once again), Chuck. One small detail that I didn't previously mention is that I ran a very tight grouping of measurements centered on the LP. In the past, I've run wider sets of measurement positions. This time, I kept all the mic positions within about 24" of the primary LP.

The background noise level in Mike's room is rather high, especially with the traffic on the road outside his window. It's about 15 dB higher than I would like to see it. There were at least 2 occasions where Audyssey repeated measurements at a higher level because the background noise was too high during those particular measurements. Nonetheless, it seemed like Audyssey was able to sort out the signal from the noise and the results speak for themselves. smile.gif

Mike, I'm glad to hear your system sounds so good. smile.gif

Craig
Nice equipment+great calibration=an awesome HT experience. Again, sorry my room has so much background noise. I only notice it once and a while though. But, it is fun when I am watching something, and it sounds so good that I think it came from the outside, but it really came from my speakers. That has happened more then once.
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Hi Mike
Sorry for the late drop in but have just gone through your thread and Wow you have amazing results. Craig has done an amazing job with your system with fantastic results. I told you before your system is up there with the best of them and after seeing those results that certainly says it all. Good to see your up and running again, mate smile.gif
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First, thanks for the nice words. Frank, let me tell you, being down that long really lets you appreciate what you have. I am really pleased with how good my sound is now. I am so impressed with what Craig did with my system. As you probably read, even he was surprised at the results. Now I can get back to server stuff and just enjoying my system smile.gif.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/19/13 at 12:54pm
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If anybody is in here and knows this answer, I will be very grateful. I am looking for an alternative to rip regular DVD's besides MKV or AnyDVD. Does anybody have any ideas? I am going to be honest, I tried AnyDVD and I could not figure out how to start the actual rip. I did all the options, but when I hit what I thought was the start command, nothing happened mad.gif.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/23/13 at 4:59am
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If anybody is in here and knows this answer, I will be very grateful. I am looking for an alternative to rip regular DVD's besides MKV or AnyDVD. Does anybody have any ideas? I am going to be honest, I tried AnyDVD and I could not figure out how to start the actual rip. I did all the options, but when I hit what I thought was the start command, nothing happened mad.gif.

Hey buddy,

Check out this thread. Numbers 2, 3, and 5 are worth trying out.

That thread was extremely helpful to me when I first entered into the fray of backing up my media, and since selecting and learning a new program is almost like a fresh start, I hope it'll help you out too.
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Hey buddy,

Check out this thread. Numbers 2, 3, and 5 are worth trying out.

That thread was extremely helpful to me when I first entered into the fray of backing up my media, and since selecting and learning a new program is almost like a fresh start, I hope it'll help you out too.
Thanks Matt. I am just pissed that I can't figure out how to use AnyDVD. I mean, I can't get the program to actually start the burning. I found Hand Brake and this other one called DVDFAB9. Hand Brake looks complicated with all it's options like:
Picture, Filter, Video, Audio, Subtitles, Chapters, Advanced. I am guessing the "container" would be MKV since my other program that I use for BR's is called MakeMKV. Plus the options section looks complex to me. That DVDFAB9 just looks much easier to use. DVDFAB is what the guy who built my server recommended so I may try that one first. Thanks for the link though. It's too bad really that I need another program. But regular DVD's look like crap to me when I burn them with MakeMKV.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/24/13 at 6:11am
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No problem Mike! MKV's are 1:1 digital replications of the files on the disc (I use MakeMKV as well). Now, if it's a visual videlity issue, keep in mind that DVD's look bad in general these days. If you've done a head-to-head, the MKV may only seem lower quality because your Oppo is just a GREAT upscaler, so DVD's will look better on the Oppo. I'd suggest turning upscaling off for the Oppo, and then pausing a scene..then, find the same scene on a ripped MKV of tht DVD, pausing at that scene, and swapping between inputs. This A/B test will let you see a raw image comparison. There shouldn't be a difference at all (your blu rays maintain their fidelity, so i don't think the MKV format is the issue.)
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No problem Mike! MKV's are 1:1 digital replications of the files on the disc (I use MakeMKV as well). Now, if it's a visual videlity issue, keep in mind that DVD's look bad in general these days. If you've done a head-to-head, the MKV may only seem lower quality because your Oppo is just a GREAT upscaler, so DVD's will look better on the Oppo. I'd suggest turning upscaling off for the Oppo, and then pausing a scene..then, find the same scene on a ripped MKV of tht DVD, pausing at that scene, and swapping between inputs. This A/B test will let you see a raw image comparison. There shouldn't be a difference at all (your blu rays maintain their fidelity, so i don't think the MKV format is the issue.)
Hey Matt, the video issue I am having is not that picture itself looks bad, because it really doesn't, it's just that regular DVD's "studder" or are "shaky" or "not smooth" or "jerky" or "choppy". That's probably the best description. They look choppy and not smooth at all. This is a comparison done directly from a BR to a regular DVD on the server. And the DVD's look fine from the OPPO. To me, it's clear as day and I am sure other people would see it as well. I talked to Dennis and he thought that the newer Make MKV does not do well with older DVD's which is why I am searching for an alternative program that may handle regular DVD's better. I have A LOT of them and I am not willing to buy them all again on BR. Also, I want to put them on all on as is. I already pruned my collection down to stuff I really want. So, I am looking for other options.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/24/13 at 9:21am
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Hey Matt, the video issue I am having is not that picture itself looks bad, because it really doesn't, it's just that regular DVD's "studder" or are "shaky" or "not smooth" or "choppy". That's probably the best description. They look choppy and not smooth at all. This is a comparison done directly from a BR to a regular DVD on the server. And the DVD's look fine from the OPPO. To me, it's clear as day and I am sure other people would see it as well. I talked to Dennis and he thought that the newer Make MKV does not do well with older DVD's which is why I am searching for an alternative program that may handle regular DVD's better. I have A LOT of them and I am not willing to buy them all again on BR. Also, I want to put them on all on as is. I already pruned my collection down to stuff I really want. So, I am looking for other options.

Oh yeah, stuttering video is far from inconsequential. I'm sorry to hear you're experiencing that. I hope you got your Bleach episodes all ripped before this started happening. wink.gif I'd have a number ot settings suggestions to share if your Blu Ray rips were stuttering, but if it's just the DVD rips then it must indeed be the way the MKVrips occur. Have you tried playing the MKV files from a flash drive directly through your Oppo's USB port? This will help you determine if it's the MKV file itself, or a setting in Jriver. I would imagine that little attention is paid to DVD file playback in program design these days, so it could definitely be a program issue that needs to be rectified. If I'm not mistaken, I believe quicktime plays MKV files as well. Try the "Open with" option and see if quicktime or Windows Media Plaer will play the file back smoothly. (trying to rule out the file itself before you switch programs.)
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