Originally Posted by AndreYew
6-shooter is not a good example of analog input because it is essentially an outboard 6-channel preamp that is controlled by the Casablanca, hence all the jokes about the CS being a $10K remote control.
But the Six-Shooter is an analog pre-amp that can ONLY be controlled by the Casablanca and is therefore an EXTENSION of the Casablanca.
It is it's Analog inputs although optional. You may not want an outboard pre-amp but the Six-Shooter certainly does not sound like a joke.
Personally I DO NOT own one, from reading this one might get the impression that I do but I was just pointing out a falsehood that was posted as fact by "sdurani".
My original intention here was to "very nicely" point out that there was a way to input an analog signal with a Casablanca.
I didn't even say anything like " HEY YOUR WRONG!" Just a simple comment that the thing exists! Why are we now to the point of calling the whole concept really, a joke?
So, consider it what you will, it is what it is, you use it, you like it or you don't!
Just don't disregard it when the fact is, it exists.
My other comment about "sdurani" having a problem understanding the way Theta Digital "lablels" their surround process was because he has posted these "non-truths" about the CB-III not processing 7.1 before, and he has admitted to not understanding their "labels" before.
It is nothing more then the way they describe their process that he does not quite understand. Just because he cannot fully grasp the entire manual does not mean that they do not have the same process as any other "stereo" but a much more sophisticated stereo then he even imagined.
Let's TRY to finally end some of these misconceptions. If I cannot clear them up with what I have just said and what I point out in the comming sentences, with a little help from the Casablanca III Manual itself, then it is I who have failed to properly point out or instruct on what Theta Digital does, but that still won't mean he's correct because he might post some clever words to make it look like their 7.1 expansion process is but a toy.
You guys read through the manual selectively, you see only what isolated parts of it that you want and interpret isolated parts of it the way you want.
Now somebody answer my question:
How do I add these processes to the "additional speakers" and get the same thing out of the "additional speakers" as I got from the surround speakers?
Yes, Theta Digital just describes what is commonly called these days, by convention, as "side surrounds" as "additional speakers", this may be confusing to some people but this part of "the manual
" was published before Dolby and THX on their websites called them something in particular and decided exactly where and WHAT the "additional speakers" are and where they were to be placed.
As far as Theta was concerned, back in the day, this placement was optional, and you won't see defined "back surrounds" or "rear surrounds" in their manual.
But "additional speakers" and "surround speakers" are quite simply what everyone is now calling "side and back surrounds".
Of course, this notion of exact replica of the 5.1 portion of the signal comming from the "additional speakers" is really a ludricous statement, it's absolutely ABSURD!!!
One would think that this was an ill concieved $500 reciever from reading the comments that have been made concerning this highly regarded SSP.
But you can find the words "exact replica" in the manual, if you selectively look at a portion of a single page, of the well over 100 page manual, that was written at a time before time, in the surround sound processor world.
The manual does include further enlightenment on the "additional speaker" conundrum, which again, if you do not fully grasp or understand, will mean nothing to you and you can again point out the isolated passage that says "exact replica"!
Please, "try" to understand that this machine was NEVER intended for the end-user to set-up.
They never intended this manual to be the sole source of information in the set-up procedure. It was was supposed to done by a highly skilled and "trained" dealer!
Someone equipt with much more information then is available right here.
We AVS members sitting here and considering this manual the holy grail of CB-III procedure set-up was never meant to be.
Still the following is includeded in yet another isolated passage, and there are yet more of such isolated passages for yet other surround modes."If the incoming signal is Dolby Digital 5.1, and the user desires to create sides or a center surround channel, use the
(or Additional Speakers) parameter to indicate which MODE will be used to create them. There are a limited
amount of modes that can do this. They are displayed in Table 6.
OFF No additional speaker signals will be created.
THETA Theta Proprietary Processing
DTSES DTS ES
NEO6M DTS NEO:6 Music
NEO6C DTS NEO:6 Cinema
PL2MU Dolby Pro Logic IIx Music
PL2MV Dolby Pro Logic IIx Movie
Table 6 – Additional Speaker Modes for Dolby Digital Source.
Page 67 Theta Digital Casablanca III Manual"
It's a little more involved and complicated then JUST being an exact replica of the rear channels before this additional and intricate processing.
According to the way "sdurani" interprets the manual, adding the additional speakers with a Casablanca, (which by the way has survived for 14 years already based on the way it performs), is nothing more then a switch in the Casablanca that turns on two more speakers!
Think about it for just a moment.................Does it still make sense to you
Originally Posted by AndreYew
This is easy to clear up: play a 7.1 BD into a CBIIIHD through an HDMI connection and with a player that supports 7.1 LPCM outputs (eg. Oppo or PS3), and confirm that each of the 7 full-range channels comes out of a single unique speaker.
More ADSURDITY!!! 7.1 discrete is 7.1 discrete, there is nothing to prove!!
Just because you guys WISH that it wasn't there, does not make it so.