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post #241 of 587
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Yeah hopefully they can comp/discount you on some of the stuff you'll need later

McCormick's (I think that is where Jesto went) orientation is to supply commercial builders where the building spec for this item probably reads 2 inches of 3Lbs per cu ft compressed fiberglass insulation. The builder could care less what brand it is, only that it is cheap from a supplier where he has an account.

I'd say asking for much is a pipe dream and if we annoy McCormick's enough they will close the doors for us little guys. Comparing prices around the country they sell the Linacoustic at a bargain rate. Some DIYers have been forced to pay double what we are paying. Now they may have both in stock and be willing to swap out the Certainteed for the JM.
post #242 of 587
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I think it was an issue at the warehouse or delivery guy - the order clearly shows that it was manville 814 - the delivery slip shows it too

Regardless - I can't imagine a situation where someone isn't happy getting a couple of hundred bucks here or there for supplying a new market that knows exactly what we want. They threw in delivery bc "things were kind of slow" and it was coming from another warehouse anyway

Bought from nice people - they even tried to save money on some older material they had laying (turned out to be about the same price)

still think u should get what you pay for and substitutions should be cleared before they are made - thats my only point - but yes - I could see a warehouse/delivery/builder not caring about the difference
post #243 of 587
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post


I'd say asking for much is a pipe dream and if we annoy McCormick's enough they will close the doors for us little guys. Comparing prices around the country they sell the Linacoustic at a bargain rate. Some DIYers have been forced to pay double what we are paying. Now they may have both in stock and be willing to swap out the Certainteed for the JM.

I would have to agree with this. The only place that sells linacoustic locally was not at all interested in doing business with little guy like myself. Cash only seemed to insult them more.
post #244 of 587
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post
I'd say asking for much is a pipe dream and if we annoy McCormick's enough they will close the doors for us little guys. Comparing prices around the country they sell the Linacoustic at a bargain rate. Some DIYers have been forced to pay double what we are paying. Now they may have both in stock and be willing to swap out the Certainteed for the JM.
Well, I have to say "screw them". If it was specified that JM814 was purchased, they darn well better deliver what the buyer paid for. Good thing they don't sell Mercedes and substitute Yugos... If they shut down sales to the little guy, that's OK. You won't be getting what you asked for anyhow.
post #245 of 587
I think we need to wait to hear their explanation on Monday.
post #246 of 587
Some progress was made today. Jesto and Family had a chance to spend some time in my theater to get some ideas as they finalize their finishing plans. Then late in the afternoon Jesto and I went shopping.

Trivia question excluding the sand how many carts does it take to bring the stage and riser to the checkout?

Three



Will it all fit in an 8ft bed pickup?

Yes



Some assembly may be required.



One brilliant suggestion by Jesto was that we had all the decking material cut to size by the guy at HD. Took about 30 minutes total to cut 11 sheets into varioous sizes. For instance since we wanted a 7 ft deep riser we had 7 pieces cut down to 7ft (less a small gap to the wall) and one ripped in half. The pieces should fit the 14 ft 1 1/2 inch wide room perfectly. Well that is at least the plan, Come back tomorrow to see if it worked.
post #247 of 587
Enjoying the updates DC. Keep'em coming!
post #248 of 587
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Come back tomorrow to see if it worked.

Awesome! I'll be right here waiting and watching!

post #249 of 587
OK Jesto thought that it would be a good idea to put some Linacoustic in the area that will be behind the screen wall, Since the stage wasn't in the way we would save time not having to trim the bottom to fit over the stage. He also thought some Liquid nails would help secure it in addition to the drywall screws. Here he admires his handiwork:



Done


Stage building:





Next the curved section. We know it comes out a foot, and we know how wide so just take a bendable board (this was primed MDF trim board) and hold it in place and it naturally formed a curve. This process was nicknamed the bendy board throughout the day.



add some supports (each custom cut)



We took a break for lunch and grabbed some sand at HD, Turned out not to be enough but it was a good start. Jesto muled it in from the driveway, While I poured and trimmed the plastic we put in each section.



About the seven ft deep riser:

Framed it and test fitted the pre-cut panels, There will be two layers but since they are both the same we only tested one layer.



one



two



three



four





Summary

Monday morning at 8 am. Bare studs and Joists

Double drywall and green glue installed Mon, Tues, and Wed.

Saturday and Sunday stage and riser roughed in.

Next week finish the stage and riser and attack the soffits.
post #250 of 587
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

He also thought some Liquid nails would help secure it in addition to the drywall screws. Here he admires his handiwork


Of course - the second cannister of liquid nails was defective and didn't work - so I wasn't able to finish the "Build" - and the rest of what I was going to write.

We ended up just globbing on the liquid nails for the lower level - actually not sure if it really helped - but pretty sure it didn't hurt
post #251 of 587
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Probably the most surprising indicator of progress came from my wife tonight

At around 7:30 - just as we were getting ready to start building the riser, she brought my 10 month old daughter down to say goodnight - I told her we were going to be making lots of noise with Big's mammoth framing gun, and apologized in advance.

After we'd wrapped up - as she was feeding Mr. Big the obligatory chocolate something, I asked her if we were making too much noise. Her response:

"I didn't hear anything" - when we questioned it - she replied "I thought you decided to just do insulation and quiet stuff - I didn't hear anything upstairs"

Keep in mind - we must have nailed about 50 nails, were moving big sheets of OSB, and 2x10s all around, dropping stuff - hammering stuff, swearing when our fingers got caught between boards -

really happy about this - especially considering that there is no insulation in the outer walls and the theater doesn't even have a door!
post #252 of 587
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Originally Posted by jesto View Post

Probably the most surprising indicator of progress came from my wife tonight

At around 7:30 - just as we were getting ready to start building the riser, she brought my 10 month old daughter down to say goodnight - I told her we were going to be making lots of noise with Big's mammoth framing gun, and apologized in advance.

After we'd wrapped up - as she was feeding Mr. Big the obligatory chocolate something, I asked her if we were making too much noise. Her response:

"I didn't hear anything" - when we questioned it - she replied "I thought you decided to just do insulation and quiet stuff - I didn't hear anything upstairs"

Keep in mind - we must have nailed about 50 nails, were moving big sheets of OSB, and 2x10s all around, dropping stuff - hammering stuff, swearing when our fingers got caught between boards -

really happy about this - especially considering that there is no insulation in the outer walls and the theater doesn't even have a door!

That is awesome to hear. You're efforts appear to be well worth it.
post #253 of 587
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one other thing to keep in mind

before installing the linacoustic or building the riser - we primed the drywalll - super quick and dirty (especially me)

Big suggested this because even though the walls wont show, its a good idea to prime to serve as what i called a moisture barrier - especially for the mudding on the drywall as its soluble


here's a pic to the start of the screenwall primed
post #254 of 587
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Been trying to figure out projectors

I think i've narrowed it down to two manufacturers / Lines

The Runco LS-3/LS-5 and the JVC - R40/R50

Because of the rear bulkhead -the maximum throw I think i can get is 14' - This puts a real damper on the goal of a 130" screen (actually got the wife to come downstairs after Big left to help me measure and figure out the lobby - it's gonna be cool - stay tuned)

running the ratios now over at projectorcentral.com

looks like we have a much better shot JVC RS40 than the Runco LS-3

At 14' the JVC RS40 gives me a maximum of 134"

The Runco LS-3 calculate at 87"

guess that makes the decision on which line to go with much easier - now to decide on the 40 or 50

honestly - since i'm not too concerned about 3D - i might start looking for an older model so I can save some $$ - anyone know of a place that still has the JVC 25s or 35s?
post #255 of 587
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128 3/8" length of the bendy board
post #256 of 587
Have you considered a Panasonic AE4000? Under 2K and you can use the poor-man's CIH approach with the memory zoom feature.
post #257 of 587
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OK,

So i got a call right before lunch from a delivery driver. Turns out the supplier got my note over the weekend and just had his guys come switch out the CertainTeed for the Manville fiberboard panels

Great customer service, and yes, it was McCormick that handled all of this. Turns out what happens was just as expected, the delivery/warehouse people didn't see a difference

Regardless, they came through with minimal effort, hassle, or trouble - super appreciated service

I would highly suggest these guys to anyone in the DC Metro / Baltimore region. If you want a contact who "gets" what we're doing - please feel free to PM me and I will pass the info along

Incidentally- pending on how the conversation (which never happened because they delivered) went, I was planning on ordering more of the fiberboard for my panels. I just had them leave a bag of 6 2" panels of the old stuff (figured 6 panels worth in a bass trap wouldnt make a huge difference), and i'll use the new stuff for panels.

So now i have all the linacoustic i need (some of it already installed), the panels for the bass trap, and panels for the reflection / absorption.
post #258 of 587
Excellent. Glad it turned out well.
post #259 of 587
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Confirming the right delivery
post #260 of 587
Somewhere in your house there is a knife groaning. Maybe even inching toward the back of the drawer so you won't find it.
post #261 of 587
More great progress guys! My family spent the weekend recovering from our second of back to back flu's. The kids are getting a lot out of daycare; not all of it is wanted.

I especially appreciate hearing the WAF on the soundproofing used. Great work guys!
post #262 of 587
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Originally Posted by randy98mtu View Post

More great progress guys! My family spent the weekend recovering from our second of back to back flu's. The kids are getting a lot out of daycare; not all of it is wanted.

I especially appreciate hearing the WAF on the soundproofing used. Great work guys!

Randy - hope you and your family are feeling better - our little one ventured out last week and she's been sniffling and sick ever since - nothing more fun than waking up at 1,3,5 am to soothe a screaming child

I've seriously thought about putting up absorption panels in her room to handle the high frequencies - I'm sure GOM makes a nice pink fabric - wife might kill me if i suggest it though
post #263 of 587
DUMB QUESTION ALERT:

Will that JVC RS40 do 2.39:1 native or do you need to do something to make it do it?
post #264 of 587
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Somewhere in your house there is a knife groaning. Maybe even inching toward the back of the drawer so you won't find it.

I went to WalMart and purchased a cheap bread knife to do the cuts on the JM814. It worked very, very well. If you go this route, make sure that you purchase one with a long sturdy blade. That way you will be able to cut multiple sheets at the same time.
post #265 of 587
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Originally Posted by carboranadum View Post

I went to WalMart and purchased a cheap bread knife to do the cuts on the JM814. It worked very, very well. If you go this route, make sure that you purchase one with a long sturdy blade. That way you will be able to cut multiple sheets at the same time.

If you're really lazy, an electric bread knife does the trick. I picked one up at a thrift store for a buck.
post #266 of 587
Funny that you should mention that. THAT was the primary reason that I went to WalMart...to look for an electric knife to cut the JM814! I even went to three different WalMarts and took a trip to a home store (JC Penney's type of place). I coulldn't find one anywhere, so I grabbed the next best thing. To tell you the truth, I can't see how an electric knife could make this job much easier...
post #267 of 587
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Originally Posted by TeamK View Post

DUMB QUESTION ALERT:

Will that JVC RS40 do 2.39:1 native or do you need to do something to make it do it?

Pretty sure you need an anamorphic lens - regardless - I think for now I might go with the Panasonic 4000, it seems like the best value and most likely to work well in the theater - also wont hurt too much if i decide to replace it down the line for something with 3D (if they ever come up with a real standard)
post #268 of 587
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I just bought this for $12 - gotta love Amazon Prime - will have it on thursday

just want to try this idea of using an electric knife


http://www.amazon.com/Toastmaster-61...2621028&sr=8-7
post #269 of 587
+1 on the electric catchy knives - I found mine at Target, I think it was $19 - gives nice clean cuts (a utility knife tore more than cut), and cuts like a hot knife through butter.
post #270 of 587
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Originally Posted by carboranadum View Post

To tell you the truth, I can't see how an electric knife could make this job much easier...

It can make it a little easier to multitask. Less chance of spillage...

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