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post #61 of 263
Hey guys, I sent an email to VIP about their 'Theater' product, mainly about the release date and its supposed ability to turn any display into a 3d display. Here is his response:

"We have a few pre-launch units available. You may order one by going to PayPal.com and paying PayPal@3D-VIP.com $499.00 for the Theatre and $9.99 for shipping. The Theatre will play in 60Hz and 120Hz and will play all 3D Blu-Ray movies plus Direct TV/other cable programs along with the internet streaming videos. Do let me know if you are ready to place the order. The above price does not include the glasses.
Thanks and cheers!"

I really hope that exorbitant price is for a pre release unit only! And it doesn't even include a pair of glasses. I replied asking whether the price for the final retail version will be lower so stay tuned..........
post #62 of 263
That's the price I was told as well, and I believe it's worth it based on what I was told - which was that in addition to all the features you mentioned, plus ability to split signal for dual projector (would need two like 3d-xl), and sync out, it also includes color management and other advanced processor capabilities. Right now you're in the $1200+ range to get a processor that will do that *without* 3d.

If you're just wanting the 3d stuff, you should probably talk to them about their 3d-displayer product. I'm not sure exactly which features are and are not included, except that they've said it's between the gamer and the theater. My guess would be it probably has most of the 3d stuff but none of the extra processing.

BUT that was all told to me as a "planned" feature set, with the caveat that features/etc might change before launch.
post #63 of 263
I received the same email last week, I thought 499.00 was high, the displayer was 299.00. I decided to order the theatre and I hope my order was sent on monday like they said. Jonathan also mentioned that they are waiting on the glasses for the people that need the 60 hertz solution. The glasses were back ordered and they should have them in 2 weeks.
post #64 of 263
Thanks defiancecp for your post. I didn't know it could be used for a dual projector set up. 499.00 sounds like a good deal now.
post #65 of 263
I am anxious to hear feedback on the Diplayer or Theater units.

I verified with Jonathan that I would need the activie shutter/emitter setup for my configuration since my pj does not have DLP link.
post #66 of 263
Jonathon told me that the Theatre only works with IR glasses with emitter--not DLP-Link--while the Gamer works with DLP-Link and not IR.

Since that is the case, am I going to need the latest firmware update for the HD66? When it senses the 120Hz, is it going to automatically go into 3d mode? Also, does anyone know if the IR glasses are any better or worse than DLP-link (flicker, ghosting/crossover, or other issues)? The one thing that makes me still think about waiting for the 3D-xl is the firmware issue and the fact that reviewers are reporting no ghosting with the 3d-XL. I don't know if that will hold true with the Theatre or not.
post #67 of 263
um... It's really kind of impossible to make DLP link *not* work.... The projector just uses a 120hz signal and inserts a flash between every other frame. Not sure what he could mean by that... except maybe saying it doesn't *need* dlp link? You can feed a DLP link projector a 2d 120hz image and still turn DLP Link on successfully. So long as the video is frame sequential, dlp link will work

Or maybe he's saying the theater doesn't support outputting frame sequential?? If so, what output *would* it use??

If the tests in the pro350w review are true, the lamp brightness for Optoma 3d-ready projectors is reduced when DLP Link mode comes on, so brightness would be higher using IR.

As for ghosting, it should be dependent only on projector and glasses, with little if any impact from processors unless they ***REALLY*** screw something up Up to the projector it's really nothing more than one frame for left, one frame for right.
post #68 of 263
Any recommendations on a good pair of IR glasses with emitter? I would have to make about a 30 foot run for the emitter as well. I've researched mainly DLP up to this point as I thought that would work on my HC3800, but it seem hard to find good, consistent information on IR.
post #69 of 263
I hope you get your "pre-release" versions soon. I can't find any info about the Displayer or the Theater and I'm so curious to know how well they actually work.
post #70 of 263
Before I ordered with jonathan he wanted to know my set up, because they only have dlp glasses in stock and not the ir glasses with emitter. I told him I have a hd 66 projector. He's sending me the theatre and dlp glasses, so dlp should work.
post #71 of 263
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Originally Posted by Billbofet View Post

Any recommendations on a good pair of IR glasses with emitter? I would have to make about a 30 foot run for the emitter as well. I've researched mainly DLP up to this point as I thought that would work on my HC3800, but it seem hard to find good, consistent information on IR.

Critical point is the glasses have to be compatible with the emitter. Here's some inexpensive glasses that have gotten good feedback:
http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/dlp3dwiglfis.html

also, extension cord for 3-pin din:
http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/20diexwi6mir.html

Problem is the emitter, I can't find many places selling the samsung or mitsubishi emitters standalone - other than tru3d, which has them for over $100
http://www.tru3d.com/products/view_p...uct=Mitsubishi IR Emitter


I don't know what IR protocol mitsubishi/samsung uses, but I wonder if it's compatible with this emitter:
http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/wiirinpctr3d.html

probably not, but for $20 I'd be tempted to try it anyway if I had an emitter output in my setup
post #72 of 263
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Originally Posted by defiancecp View Post

Critical point is the glasses have to be compatible with the emitter. Here's some inexpensive glasses that have gotten good feedback:
http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/dlp3dwiglfis.html

also, extension cord for 3-pin din:
http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/20diexwi6mir.html

Problem is the emitter, I can't find many places selling the samsung or mitsubishi emitters standalone - other than tru3d, which has them for over $100
http://www.tru3d.com/products/view_p...uct=Mitsubishi IR Emitter


I don't know what IR protocol mitsubishi/samsung uses, but I wonder if it's compatible with this emitter:
http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/wiirinpctr3d.html

probably not, but for $20 I'd be tempted to try it anyway if I had an emitter output in my setup


Wow!!! Thanks for all the information. This is incredibly helpful.
post #73 of 263
This emitter will work, but be warned it is so powerful that it blocks out some of my remotes from working when it is powered on:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Universal-Gen2-E...item256185e6ce

Compatibility with these brands of glasses:
Quote:


● Orange – Nvidia® ,Model U, Model N, Model NV1, NV2, E
● Orange Blinking – Samsung® , Mitsubishi®, Model E, Model U, Model N, Model SA3, Model CS, some other Samsung type glasses(NOT X103)
● Red- Green alternating- Model C, XpanD® 101, 103, JVC, Philips, NuVision®, Model E, Model U, Model N, HP, Volfoni and other Cinema Glasses
● Green blinking— Model C, XpanD® 101, 103, JVC DLA, Philips, Model E, Model U, Model N, HP, Volfoni
● Red blinking — Model E, Model U, X103, Model N
● Green —StereoGraphics® & realD® CrystalEyes ®, Model E, Model U, Model N
● Green - Orange alternating — Model E, Model U, Model N, ¬Sony® , X103,
post #74 of 263
Defiance,

Jonathon said that I could bypass 3D mode on my HD66 with the VIP 3d-Theatre. I'm wondering if he's saying this meaning that I can do that in 60hz mode, or in 120hz mode. I understand that I should be able to bypass DLP-Link with the VIP device, since it uses IR, but somewhere, I remember someone saying that the HD66 automatically goes into 3d mode when it senses a 120hz signal. Do you, or does anyone else here, know if this is true or not? Also, since the latest firmware update is required to use 3d Vision on the HD66, does anyone know if I'll need the update for the generic IR glasses? You see, the reason I'm asking all of this is because IF I can get the IR 3D working without the projector going into 3d mode, then I will be able to display the 3d in standard brightness mode, which is 2500 lumes instead of 670. I've asked this in a couple of places, but have gotten no answers. What say you all?
post #75 of 263
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Originally Posted by gotchacovered View Post

Defiance,

Jonathon said that I could bypass 3D mode on my HD66 with the VIP 3d-Theatre. I'm wondering if he's saying this meaning that I can do that in 60hz mode, or in 120hz mode. I understand that I should be able to bypass DLP-Link with the VIP device, since it uses IR, but somewhere, I remember someone saying that the HD66 automatically goes into 3d mode when it senses a 120hz signal. Do you, or does anyone else here, know if this is true or not? Also, since the latest firmware update is required to use 3d Vision on the HD66, does anyone know if I'll need the update for the generic IR glasses? You see, the reason I'm asking all of this is because IF I can get the IR 3D working without the projector going into 3d mode, then I will be able to display the 3d in standard brightness mode, which is 2500 lumes instead of 670. I've asked this in a couple of places, but have gotten no answers. What say you all?


Well first of all the hd66 is not at 2500 lumens in 16:9. That is rated based on running the pj in its native 16:10. You lose quite a bit of brightness just being in 16:9 720 p which is the only resolution you can do 120hz at.

I have a hd66 also and the 3d mode can just be turned off from the pj menu even in 120hz mode.

EDIT: Just saw you were on older hd66 firmware.
post #76 of 263
I am so glad I found this thread, have been going nuts trying to get some info on the 3D-VIP products.

Heres the scoop, I currently am using an Epson HC8100 LCD projector, will the theater or displayer work with this, and what else do I need?

I also have an HD Optoma HD 65 sitting on the sidelines, was waiting on the 120hz upgrade but I guess thats not gonna happen. What else do I need with that Unit?

Hanging on the wall behind the screen is a 50 Samsung C680 and I have a set of samsung Glasses for it, and 1 Pair of the ones from Ultimate 3d heaven, the ones that work for sammy or Mits. Are any of these compatible?

Thanks for any help in advance, tried emails to VIP but they were a no go.
post #77 of 263
Right - in the original hd66 firmware (like what I still have), DLP link is forced on when it receives a 120hz signal; no way to turn it off then. In the newer firmware you can turn it off.
post #78 of 263
Roget that. I thought that's what I remembered reading.

OK, so, then if you buy the VIP 3D-Theatre, and you have the latest firmware in the HD66, you can theoretically display 3D in standard-brightness mode and not lose the lumens that go along with 3D mode.

I'm also guessing that this should also hold true for the 3D-XL if you use the emitter port instead of DLP-Link.

Hmmmmmmmm.

Can anyone out there who owns the HD66 test this hypothesis by trying with DLP-Link and comparing with IR glasses with the 3D turned OFF on the projector and seeing if there's a noticable difference in the effective brightness?
post #79 of 263
Just out of curiosity, what are the old firmware and the new firmware version numbers?
Is it possible to upgrade to the new firmware yourself if you have the new one?
Reason why i'm asking because i've recently purchased a refurbished hd66 and basically it was a 1 time return frmo a previous customer. I would want it to have the newer firmware on it.
Help?
post #80 of 263
I would like to know the same as far as telling if you have the latest firmware. Can you tell by the serial number or the production date? I ordered mine new feb 3rd on amazon. Can anybody help us?
post #81 of 263
I believe if the manufacture date is after August of 2010 it should have the new firmware. The only way to tell if you have the new firmware is to go to the 3d settings and if it gives more of a choice then just on and off it should have the new firmware. If it is only on or off like mine than it is the older firmware.
post #82 of 263
Yep, it's not visible anywhere on the projector or in the menu, only way to tell is to look at 3d settings. And unfortunately, it's not user updatable.
post #83 of 263
So mine has 3d on or off, and then below sync invert on or off. Am I okay and have the new firmware?
post #84 of 263
Jadeezra

no I think you have the old firmware, the new firmware should have three options: OFF / DLP Link / Nvidia 3d Vision. If it is just on and off then it is the old. The 3d sync invert is a separate setting.
If you just bought this on February 3rd of this year then they sent you an older unit that was not upgraded yet. You should be able to send it to Optoma for an upgrade.
post #85 of 263
OK i thought i do some leg work and get this info and pass it on to you folks on the serial number of the hd66 which can tell you if you have the latest firmware or not. This firmware gives you the option to disable 3d and keep your 120hz option on. (this is waht the Optoma rep himself wasn't sure of but it's my guess)
If the 5th, 6th or 7th digit of the hd 66 serial number has higher than 036 numbers then you should have a higher / newer firmware.
if not then Optoma will still upgrade the firmware and the time frame they're giving is approx 3-4 days.
Hope this helps.
Also on a side note, the other reason why i was asking for this is because i will be posting my thoughts on the 3d-displayer product soon that i'm getting as a test product.
post #86 of 263
How do I even get to where I can get into it and change stuff. My options isnt arent lit up and I cant change anything? I'm really not happy about this one I ordered it straight from optoma through amazon about a month ago at this point I may just sell the thing and get the new acer. How do you send it into Optoma and how do I get into it to change it?
post #87 of 263
jadeezra - some options aren't enabled unless you're getting a video signal of the type it likes. I think for 3d you need an hdmi signal.

bubbaba - no, that's the old firmware. It would be on/off/3dvision in the 3d on/off menu with the new firmware. 3d sync invert is a seperate menu.

If you do need it changed, give them a call at the tech support number on their website and they'll get you to fill out an RMA form.
post #88 of 263
Has anyone upgraded their hd66 firmware without sending their projector to optoma. On the optoma hd 80 and hd 8000 optoma would let you download the file and show you how to upgrade your firmware. Easy upgrade with a rs-232 cable and computer.
post #89 of 263
Okay I have a panny 3d blu ray player, a ps3 with current 3d firmware and a copy of avatar 3d with hdmi cord as my use. Is there anyway to feed it a 3d signal like this or do I need to purchase a hard to find adapter just to find out if my unit needs an update. If I do have to send it in, this may be the last straw with optoma for me. I just purchased this a month ago from amazon and it should have had the new firmware. Not to mention the delays with the 3d-xl and its rarity to locate. I may just be getting the new acer with 1.4, as this this is ridiculous imo.
post #90 of 263
you will need to either find an adapter such as the 3d-xl or the VIP 3d gamer. The gamer only works for the ps3. VIp is also coming out with other products to do 3d blu ray.
For 3d blu ray now you will either have to have the adapter or build an HTPC.
Except for the adapters or the HTPC with software running the 3d the hd66 will not take the 3d signal, I learned the hard way as well and ended up with builing an HTPC for 3d bluray and getting a vip 3d gamer for the PS3 for games and vudu 3d.
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