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post #451 of 684
5/22/11 at 1:56am
My Infocomm pass arrived today! Plane tickets and Hotel are all set, should be a nice 30th birthday gift to myself I cannot wait to hear the Danley stuff and to talk to a few of them in person. Then when I arrive home I get to pack all my stuff up and move to a new place. This time a spare bedroom will be the HT room. I am excited to hear the difference between a sealed room and the wide open living rooms I have been using. And then after placing everythning in the room I will see if I can squeeze 2 more dts-10s

Forin
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post #452 of 684
5/22/11 at 9:54am
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My Infocomm pass arrived today! Plane tickets and Hotel are all set, should be a nice 30th birthday gift to myself I cannot wait to hear the Danley stuff and to talk to a few of them in person. Then when I arrive home I get to pack all my stuff up and move to a new place. This time a spare bedroom will be the HT room. I am excited to hear the difference between a sealed room and the wide open living rooms I have been using. And then after placing everythning in the room I will see if I can squeeze 2 more dts-10s

Forin

We look forward to seeing you. If we can pull it off-we will have some "interesting" things in the demo room. I will mostly be on the show floor booth.

Be sure and spend some time looking at the video offerings (by others). The video side of the show can be quite stunning.

Bring some comfortable walking shoes-you will be doing a lot of that.
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post #453 of 684
5/22/11 at 3:38pm
Iam trying to figure out my coverage needs:

Room is 12.5 Wide 8 High 21 Long (Valuted ceilings) knee wall is 49" tall

Listening position can vary 10-18 feet from plasma.

Iam looking at SH50's (stereo pair, for now), would they be too narrow of coverage in my room, center would come later.
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post #454 of 684
5/22/11 at 3:41pm
Dont mind the love seat on the side (sorry for the blurry pic)

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post #455 of 684
5/22/11 at 3:43pm
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post #456 of 684
5/22/11 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

Iam trying to figure out my coverage needs:

Room is 12.5 Wide 8 High 21 Long (Valuted ceilings) knee wall is 49" tall

Listening position can vary 10-18 feet from plasma.

Iam looking at SH50's (stereo pair, for now), would they be too narrow of coverage in my room, center would come later.

If you place them against the side walls (they will be angled in), you would gain a couple of things.

The width of the "soundfield" would appear to be wider than it physically is.

YOu would have less reflections off of the side walls.

You would also pick up a little more bass from the left/right mains.

If you want a little bit wider-you could go with the SH60. Same sound-just a wider coverage pattern.

I would like to see them a bit higher than your ceiling allows-so a bit of playing in that area may be needed.
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post #457 of 684
5/22/11 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

Iam trying to figure out my coverage needs:

Room is 12.5 Wide 8 High 21 Long (Valuted ceilings) knee wall is 49" tall

Listening position can vary 10-18 feet from plasma.

Iam looking at SH50's (stereo pair, for now), would they be too narrow of coverage in my room, center would come later.

If you place them against the side walls (they will be angled in), you would gain a couple of things.

The width of the "soundfield" would appear to be wider than it physically is.

YOu would have less reflections off of the side walls.

You would also pick up a little more bass from the left/right mains.

If you want a little bit wider-you could go with the SH60. Same sound-just a wider coverage pattern.

I would like to see them a bit higher than your ceiling allows-so a bit of playing in that area may be needed.
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post #458 of 684
5/22/11 at 4:23pm
Ivan,

So you are saying the SH 50 would not be appropriate for this room. Its only temporary (the room) eventually I will move to a new space.
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post #459 of 684
5/22/11 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

Iam trying to figure out my coverage needs:

Room is 12.5 Wide 8 High 21 Long (Valuted ceilings) knee wall is 49" tall

Listening position can vary 10-18 feet from plasma.

Iam looking at SH50's (stereo pair, for now), would they be too narrow of coverage in my room, center would come later.

Just curious if the plasma is going to be the long-term display or if an AT screen and projector are in the future? The reason I ask is that if you later need to mount a center above that window, because the plasma is in the way, the much lighter SM-60F might be a lot easier to deal with and would still make a fine LCR system.

EDIT: Sorry didn't see the above comment in time, so this may not be an issue at all.
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post #460 of 684
5/22/11 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

Ivan,

So you are saying the SH 50 would not be appropriate for this room. Its only temporary (the room) eventually I will move to a new space.

Get a protractor, starting in the corner and using your left or right wall as 0deg, mark the 50deg spot on your floor, then run a string, tape, etc, from the corner across the 50deg mark you've made, straight out into the room and see where it ends up. If it is beyond the far side of your furthest listening position you are in good shape. If not, move up to 60deg coverage.

This is assuming that the speakers are flat against the walls. There's clearly some wiggle room with regard to separation while still covering the boundaries of your listening position.
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post #461 of 684
5/22/11 at 4:34pm
The plasma is temporary, eventually an AT screen will be used (in a different room)
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post #462 of 684
5/22/11 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

Ivan,

So you are saying the SH 50 would not be appropriate for this room. Its only temporary (the room) eventually I will move to a new space.

I don't believe that I was saying that the SH50 would not be appropriate for the room.

Mainly that they should be a bit higher and the ceiling allows-but that would apply to any loudspeakers.

Since the Danley products have a sharp cutoff at the edges of the pattern (which can be good and bad at the same time), I generally advise going to a wider pattern to make sure everybody is in the pattern.

Especially if you are going to be moving and don't know what room you may end up with.
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post #463 of 684
5/22/11 at 4:59pm
I figured kutlow room being wider than mine by 4 feet and if he is using the Sh 50 for L R duties it could work for my narrow room

I understand the ceiling is an issue but if it wount affect the sound that much Iam willing to deal with it. The width coverage is what concerns me the most. It is usually just me in the room, so I dont need multiple seat coverage say 4 seats and 3 rows. I just have 2 rows and 2 seats, but again it just me or someone besides me.
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post #464 of 684
5/23/11 at 4:44am
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I figured kutlow room being wider than mine by 4 feet and if he is using the Sh 50 for L R duties it could work for my narrow room

I understand the ceiling is an issue but if it wount affect the sound that much Iam willing to deal with it. The width coverage is what concerns me the most. It is usually just me in the room, so I dont need multiple seat coverage say 4 seats and 3 rows. I just have 2 rows and 2 seats, but again it just me or someone besides me.
It is not just the width that has to be considered. But also the listening distance from the loudspeakers. The further away you are-the narrower the coverage can be. If you are up close-then the coverage has to be wider.

The problem with your ceiling is that the loudspeakers should be higher. So you have to move them in to get them higher-which means they need to have a wider coverage pattern.

You can lay it all out on a scale piece of paper and use 50° (or 60°) angles to figure out what the coverage would be.
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post #465 of 684
5/23/11 at 7:43am
Using a protractor I mapped out the 50 degree angle and this is what I came up with.

Right Chanel:
Listening position 12 feet, SH 50 up against knee wall (wall is zero degrees), center of speaker about 44" high


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post #466 of 684
5/23/11 at 7:46am
Same situation as above except speaker is now 18.5" away from knee wall, putting center of speaker about 64" high


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post #467 of 684
5/23/11 at 7:51am
Left Chanel: upagainst knee wall (0 degrees), center of speaker about 44" high, listening position 12 feet away.


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post #468 of 684
5/23/11 at 7:53am
Left chanel: 18.5" away from knee wall, speaker center about 64" high


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post #469 of 684
5/23/11 at 7:57am
This is the best I can do at the moment, please critic my methods.

Moving the speaker in towards TV, gives a few extra inches to play with, not sure if thats enough?

What do you guys think?
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post #470 of 684
5/23/11 at 8:19am
Looks like you are good to go or if you wanted a little wider coverage patten you could always go with the SH-60.
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post #471 of 684
5/23/11 at 6:15pm
So I'm still waiting for lions review.....
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post #472 of 684
5/23/11 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

This is the best I can do at the moment, please critic my methods.

Moving the speaker in towards TV, gives a few extra inches to play with, not sure if thats enough?

What do you guys think?

I feel that's very solid front row coverage. The listener's head is multiple feet within the 50deg pattern boundaries. Obviously there are no horizontal coverage issues for the deeper rows, but vertical may be an issue for ideal coverage. Since this is a temporary situation it doesn't seem worth much worry as you can correct for it later on in the new room. Curious what Ivan's take is.
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post #473 of 684
5/23/11 at 8:29pm
Im on my way to West Virginia in the morning. I am going to try and stop by Danley to see the TH221 for a quick audition.

For those wondering about the SH50-SH69 -SH100 combo I can attest I am amazed by the fidelity. These speakers are just cruising along at 118DB. The SH100 are an incrediable surround speaker. My brother who has a pretty good ear for surrounds really is impressed. The 3 DTS 10'S really sound nice however I just want to see if I can hear a difference between those and a single TH221.
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post #474 of 684
5/23/11 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

...snip... I am going to try and stop by Danley to see the TH221 for a quick audition.

While you're there, go over and try to lift it. ....and then try to figure out how you're going to get it upstairs.
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post #475 of 684
5/24/11 at 7:30am
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So I'm still waiting for lions review.....

Yes, I'm wandering too. I liked the depth of his comparison between his Genelecs and the (single) Catalyst he owns. Can't wait to hear what he thinks of the SH50's...

Sofar the SM60F's that arrived last week are doing quite well attached to my Onkyo TX-NR5008. The Onkyo is unable to combine "Speaker B" with my subwoofers, so I have to try some other configurations as well. Haven't tested them on my TAG av32dp yet. The coming 2 weeks I also plan to take them with me to a co-worker of mine who owns modified Quads and a high-end DAC.

One thing I like about the SM60's sofar is that they already sound good when they are positioned way on top of my current front speakers (4 feet 9 high). Standing up from a sitting position the sound changes little, which to me is quite impressive.
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post #476 of 684
5/24/11 at 8:23am
Reading many peoples thoughts it sound like the Synergy horns can be placed higher up. I'm wondering if the SM-60 could be placed on or just above the DTS-10 which is 44". My listening posistion would be 11.5ft from speakers. I like the tri-pod mount that some are using.

I also am looking for Lions review.
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post #477 of 684
5/24/11 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by Tom Bley View Post

Reading many peoples thoughts it sound like the Synergy horns can be placed higher up. I'm wondering if the SM-60 could be placed on or just above the DTS-10 which is 44". My listening posistion would be 11.5ft from speakers. I like the tri-pod mount that some are using.

I also am looking for Lions review.

I believe that we have a member who is already using exactly that configuration. If I can find the post with the pic I'll link it.
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post #478 of 684
5/24/11 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by vraxoin View Post

I believe that we have a member who is already using exactly that configuration. If I can find the post with the pic I'll link it.

Page 8 shows them flown on a tri-pod stand. I think it was said that they are 47" from floor to bottom of speaker but, not sure on haw far back his listening position is or if he has slight angle downward.
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post #479 of 684
5/24/11 at 10:56am
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I believe that we have a member who is already using exactly that configuration. If I can find the post with the pic I'll link it.

Forin places his SM60Fs on top of his DTS 10s and he is thinking of getting another pair of SM60Fs AND a pair of DTS 10s for the rear channels!
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post #480 of 684
5/24/11 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by Ettepet View Post

Yes, I'm wandering too. I liked the depth of his comparison between his Genelecs and the (single) Catalyst he owns. Can't wait to hear what he thinks of the SH50's...

Sofar the SM60F's that arrived last week are doing quite well attached to my Onkyo TX-NR5008. The Onkyo is unable to combine "Speaker B" with my subwoofers, so I have to try some other configurations as well. Haven't tested them on my TAG av32dp yet. The coming 2 weeks I also plan to take them with me to a co-worker of mine who owns modified Quads and a high-end DAC.

One thing I like about the SM60's sofar is that they already sound good when they are positioned way on top of my current front speakers (4 feet 9 high). Standing up from a sitting position the sound changes little, which to me is quite impressive.

I'm also waiting with great anticipation for Lion's review. I look forward to your comparison of the Danley to the Quads; be prepared to be surprised with Danley's vocal reproduction put up against the Quads!
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