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post #151 of 1235
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

I like how they think rather than just straight up ripping a BD, which people can easily do, they would rather capture a crappy stream.

Yeah...god forbid I can stream on my Android phone with a native app. Because you know everyone is dying to get ahold of those streams! Better make sure that DRM is in place!
post #152 of 1235
seriously. :sigh:
post #153 of 1235
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

I like how they think rather than just straight up ripping a BD, which people can easily do, they would rather capture a crappy stream.

Well, look at Play On (which I use so I can skip over the commercials in Hulu feeds)

I'm not saying their fears are completely unfounded

-Suntan
post #154 of 1235
post #155 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Well, look at Play On (which I use so I can skip over the commercials in Hulu feeds)

I’m not saying their fears are completely unfounded…

-Suntan

Yeah, I'm using that too on my phone and love it (only way to get Hulu and Netflix on Android that I know of....although I think there's some hack workaround for Hulu).

Of course, I'd be happier with Native Apps, which would theoretically work better.

Just annoying that if I wanted a rip of a movie for free, I'd get it somewhere besides the stream (especially what is probably a very low bandwidth-intensive stream designed for phones).
post #156 of 1235
I read somewhere that NF wants to switch to HMTL5 and eliminate the need for silverlite. Perhaps the studios would then let them stream more in HD for PCs...
post #157 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

If you review the various threads in the HTPC forum, you will see a long history of complaints about excessive judder when playing the Silverlight based streams from Netflix on the PC. Basically, when Netflix originally started streaming (only on computers) and used a derivation of WMP9, everything worked relatively well. When they upgraded to studio mandated Silverlight (for DRM purposes) the quality took a deep dive. Years later it still isn't up to the same quality that you can get from most all of the dedicated players.

In addition, HD streams were not available at all on the PC for a significant period of time after they became available on hardware streamers, again due to licensing mandates from the studios. Even now, there is a sizable number of titles that a person can stream in HD on the hardware players that you can only stream in SD on computers, again due to contractual stipulations imposed by the studios.

Content owners don't like the idea of having to stream content to those nasty, pirate infested PCs. IMO, as soon as they feel it is viable, they will shut them out completely to streaming as we know it.

-Suntan

I may wander over there and take a look, however, I don't use a HTPC per se .. just a stock HP with a DVI out HDMI adapter / sound cable and a 40" LCD .. been doing it since they started the service on various machines ..

I do agree that PQ / SQ is much better on my PS3 at home, but always figured it was the bandwidth .. 3.5 at the office and 18 + at home ..

Thanks for the scoop ..

The whole pirated issue just seems to me to be the same tempest in a teapot that it's always been .. no matter the effort against it, somebody always ends up cracking it .. most of us citizens are doing things the legal way ..
post #158 of 1235
Yes. It makes little sense when a person can do the whole Btorent thing and get the full BR rip if they wanted to. But the studios have always been irrationally afraid of giving customers what they want.

As if giving people what they wanted means they somehow lost in the deal.

-Suntan
post #159 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Yes. It makes little sense when a person can do the whole Btorent thing and get the full BR rip if they wanted to. But the studios have always been irrationally afraid of giving customers what they want.

As if giving people what they wanted means they somehow lost in the deal.

-Suntan

Exactly .. and sometimes I wonder if the pirate/theft numbers are not inflated artificially to gain a tax advantage .. I mean, who would know for sure anyway .. ?
post #160 of 1235
I have a TiVo, Xbox, PS3 and this PC (whose monitor is the same 46" 1080p LCD panel I view the other devices on, connected via optical S/PDIF to the same AVR); I can stream Netflix to all of these (and Zune to the Xbox, VUDU to the PS3, etc), so I didn't have any previous excuse to buy a dedicated streamer, but now I think I'll get a Roku, just to play with this .
post #161 of 1235
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I have a TiVo, Xbox, PS3 and this PC (whose monitor is the same 46" 1080p LCD panel I view the other devices on, connected via optical S/PDIF to the same AVR); I can stream Netflix to all of these (and Zune to the Xbox, VUDU to the PS3, etc), so I didn't have any previous excuse to buy a dedicated streamer, but now I think I'll get a Roku, just to play with this .

I am in a similar position with an XBOX360 (Netflix/Zune), Blu-Ray BD390 (Netflix/Vudu), TV 55LE8500 (Netflix/Vudu). As an Amazon prime member I would like to try this but don't really want to buy more hardware.

I recall the XBOX360 used to have a somewhat clunky way of watching Amazon (Unbox on your PC to the XBOX360). Is there still a way of viewing Amazon on the XBOX360? and if so will it work with prime membership?
post #162 of 1235
I imagine the XB360 and PS3 will be upgraded to support amazon by the summer.
post #163 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Cygnus2112 View Post
I imagine the XB360 and PS3 will be upgraded to support amazon by the summer.
Hope so - but after pushing the XBOX360 hard at first Amazon now seems to hide their (very clunky) support deep in their website now.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/video/ontv/xbox
post #164 of 1235
Thread Starter 
BY Austin Carr, Tue Feb 22, 2011

To some degree, Amazon is now a competitor to Hulu and Netflix, but the competition is indirect. Hulu and Netflix more recently have focused on delivering fresher content to customers. Amazon Instant Video is more or less centered on longer-tail content.

"It's a mix--movies from Sony and Warner Bros. tend to be a little older, five to seven years, but we've got some more recent movies," says Cameron Janes, director of Amazon Instant Video. "You are not going to find day-and-date movies. You're not going to find brand-new movies in here because the movies are generally older." The same goes for television. "We don't have day-after-broadcast TV in our Prime offering.

Searching for "The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest," for example, non-members will see they can buy the DVD for $15, not including shipping fees, or rent or buy the film via streaming for $3.99 or $11.99, respectively.

However, if they become members of Prime -- for only $6.58 a month--they won't have to spend a penny on the film, since it's available on Instant Video. (And if they still want the DVD, there's always free shipping.)

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I agree many of the consumers that use watch instantly on Netflix are younger generation. Most videos offered on Amazon Prime are older and may not appeal to many using online video streaming. Hilary Oles Yesterday 04:47 PM

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post #165 of 1235
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BY Austin Carr, Tue Feb 22, 2011
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I agree many of the consumers that use watch instantly on Netflix are younger generation. Most videos offered on Amazon Prime are older and may not appeal to many using online video streaming. Hilary Oles Yesterday 04:47 PM

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Not sure about that - the younger generation in our family (2 sons at college) when they are home rarely want to watch Netflix instant streaming. They look through what is available and say there is nothing new they are interested in watching.

The older generation (my wife and I) find a lot to watch including the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and the Girl Who Played with Fire - we haven't watched the Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest yet (waiting to read the book first) - lots of TV Series including Damages and some British TV Series and some older movies like Cleopatra and Our Man in Havana (seems to be no longer available on instant streaming).

Edit: I should add we get Netflix Blu-Rays for most recently recently released movies - canceled premium movie channels from Directv
post #166 of 1235
Of course not, they are getting the latest flix via bit torrent

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Not sure about that - the younger generation in our family (2 sons at college) when they are home rarely want to watch Netflix instant streaming.
post #167 of 1235
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Hope so - but after pushing the XBOX360 hard at first Amazon now seems to hide their (very clunky) support deep in their website now.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/video/ontv/xbox
That's not going to work for this, since it involves streaming PC downloads (Amazon's highest bit rate content) to the Xbox's UPnP/DLNA client; the Prime-linked service is streaming only.

It needs custom player/library-browsers for Xbox and PS3; pretty much nothing unlicensed by Microsoft and Sony, respectively, legally runs on those platforms. We'll see what happens, by and by. I'm now trying to resist pissing away $80 on a Roku XD.
post #168 of 1235
Analyst: Amazon Prime' Will Affect Netflix

It will be interesting to see how all this develops. UltraViolet would fit the Amazon model very well and boost their physical disc sales and streaming even more.

On a side note, Netflix moves into second place behind Redbox in the move rental business.
post #169 of 1235
I dunno. I am not that bullish on amazon streaming as the article. Altho I order several times a year from amazon, I still have no interest in prime as I rather use their free shipping. I see no streaming titles that are not available from netflix. The competition is good tho since it will make NF value us more as customers instead of focusing too much on going overseas. You gotta keep these companies honest.
post #170 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Analyst: Amazon Prime' Will Affect Netflix

It will be interesting to see how all this develops. UltraViolet would fit the Amazon model very well and boost their physical disc sales and streaming even more.

On a side note, Netflix moves into second place behind Redbox in the move rental business.

maybe discs, but since Netflix is going towards all streaming and it doesn't factor that in, I'm sure they're doing fine.
post #171 of 1235
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I have a TiVo, Xbox, PS3 and this PC (whose monitor is the same 46" 1080p LCD panel I view the other devices on, connected via optical S/PDIF to the same AVR); I can stream Netflix to all of these (and Zune to the Xbox, VUDU to the PS3, etc), so I didn't have any previous excuse to buy a dedicated streamer, but now I think I'll get a Roku, just to play with this .

I just got my Roku and I bought it solely because of Amazon Instant Video. Now I have 5 devices connected to the Internet but it seems each one has certain strengths and weaknesses which make them all useful.

Samsung 6800--probably won't use this Internet feature anymore since it has Amazon but cannot stream 5.1, wired connection (all to Apple Time Capsule)

Samsung 6500 Blu Ray--does not have Amazon but has Vudu, (and of course the main reason--Blu Ray discs) wireless connection

Apple TV--bought mainly to stream iTunes music but other features are nice to have, Netflix streaming is good, wireless connection

Roku--bought to get Amazon with 5.1 sound, wireless connection

Onkyo 808--Rhapsody and Pandora, wired connection
post #172 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Cygnus2112 View Post

I dunno. I am not that bullish on amazon streaming as the article. Altho I order several times a year from amazon, I still have no interest in prime as I rather use their free shipping. I see no streaming titles that are not available from netflix. The competition is good tho since it will make NF value us more as customers instead of focusing too much on going overseas. You gotta keep these companies honest.

Does Amazon have free shipping without a Prime membership? It's my understanding it's free 2 day and $3.99 next day for any weight to almost anywhere in the USA. It's been so long that I've had Prime I don't recall any free shipping option, unless it's something provided by an individual seller on Amazon Marketplace.
post #173 of 1235
Yes if the item is $50 or more, basic shipping is free.

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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Does Amazon have free shipping without a Prime membership? It's my understanding it's free 2 day and $3.99 next day for any weight to almost anywhere in the USA. It's been so long that I've had Prime I don't recall any free shipping option, unless it's something provided by an individual seller on Amazon Marketplace.
post #174 of 1235
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Does Amazon have free shipping without a Prime membership? It's my understanding it's free 2 day and $3.99 next day for any weight to almost anywhere in the USA. It's been so long that I've had Prime I don't recall any free shipping option, unless it's something provided by an individual seller on Amazon Marketplace.

yeah, free 5-7 day shipping for items Amazon sells themselves. But if you need something sooner, Prime is a great deal. I once was shipping a Pioneer Elite receiver and it was going to be $80 to ship - or $80 for a year of Prime, and I could get it in two days. I forget how it worked out that way, since usually Amazon selling things is free ship.
post #175 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Cygnus2112 View Post

Yes if the item is $50 or more, basic shipping is free.

Ah, as my less than $50 per item purchases far outnumber those above $50 the Prime membership with 1 day and 2 day shipping has been a spectacular deal for me.
post #176 of 1235
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

yeah, free 5-7 day shipping for items Amazon sells themselves. But if you need something sooner, Prime is a great deal. I once was shipping a Pioneer Elite receiver and it was going to be $80 to ship - or $80 for a year of Prime, and I could get it in two days.

Yes, I've even had them deliver to me on Saturday. And if you wanted the next day instead of 2 day, the $3.99 for any item for next day delivery is a fantastic deal in my opinion. If you spend a fair amount at Amazon(around $1800 for me last year) then Prime is a no-brainer.
post #177 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Cygnus2112 View Post

Yes if the item is $50 or more, basic shipping is free.

Free super saver shipping starts at $25.
post #178 of 1235
I added Prime to my account yesterday--saw the price for Scott Pilgram Blu Ray was down to $13.99--so for Blu Rays it is a nice feature--free two day shipping and no need to worry about your order adding up to $25.
post #179 of 1235
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Yes, I've even had them deliver to me on Saturday. And if you wanted the next day instead of 2 day, the $3.99 for any item for next day delivery is a fantastic deal in my opinion. If you spend a fair amount at Amazon(around $1800 for me last year) then Prime is a no-brainer.

agreed. Sometimes I need something by Friday on Thursday - $4 is nothing.
post #180 of 1235
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

If you spend a fair amount at Amazon(around $1800 for me last year) then Prime is a no-brainer.

I spent $3,631.94 with Amazon.com in 2010, and not spending an extra $79.00 for two-day shipping, or whatever time-frame it is, was a no-brainer for me. I have better uses for the $79.00 than spending it on a Prime membership. So, I came out ahead money-wise than you did.
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