Do i need an external dac with HK3490 + Vienna Bach Speakers - Page 5  

Is that an unproven theory by any chance?

If I say "my guess" would it make you feel better? LOL...

Is there a list of products that are "crap by design" that you think others should avoid buying? I never once ran across them since 1996 where I started reading these scientist vs audiophile debate. If you guys got the time it would really help making a list. Can you show me a list of the components you have right now in your system? They must be the best this world can offer... Level matching? Sure but we're talking about a whole product package and how it sounds differ to another straight out of the box without alteration.

Ahh don't be so quick to judge. Being audiophiles, of course we look at the physique first before laying down the big $

Dude, it's been going on for decades. If you don't give them a reality slap you'll never get your point across. Otherwise you're just wasting your time, like what they're doing right now. But it's fun to see them jumping up and down once in a while, of course still not grasping the overall situation that none of these matters, that the seller was able to make the buyer happy, that if the seller is lying to the consumers the feds would have gone down the legal path to lock them up (no class action lawsuit so far), that they should be spending their time making $ instead of posting stuff noone cared about so they can spend carelessly like those buyers as life is too short to waste on such trivial things... pitiful really.

Why am I doing this? 1) it's fun 2) maybe some of these scientists can be saved afterall though unlikely...

I've asked this, seemingly easy question...over, and over, and over. Of course you know...most won't answer.


I said something similar; that if all gear sounded the same, and all this money had been wasted...you'd think it was a story that would have broke somewhere bigger than this chat board...lol.

But I don't want to take this opportunity to beat-up on the objectivists (although this is what it feels like when they gang-up on someone...I just never had a co-pilot in this thing); they have a point in there somewhere...if they just wouldn't take things to such extremes.

CD

That's very nosy of you.

They know how to write up their ads to avoid getting lawsuits. You just have to know how to dissect the wordings of their ads which you don't.


Is that what you came up with after extensive search on this subject?

It's because it's not a story. It's dog bites man. People waste their money on crazy stuff all the time. Magic bracelets, diet pills and belly fat ointments, burnt toast that looks like the Virgin Mary, 9/11 conspiracy and moon hoax theory DVD's, penis enlargement paraphernalia, etc. etc.

You can add audio nonsense right in the mix. It's the exact same lack of critical thinking that leads to all of it. Barnum was an optimist, there's way more then one sucker born every minute.

It's so simple why would I waste time researching this subject. You didn't see it?

Geek, you still don't get it...do you? Enthusiasts want to talk about their gear. The very fact that you find it "nosy", tells me you have no interest in audio, as an endeavor; only the science behind it.

That's fine...but like I've said in the past, it's like a restaurant critic debating a Biologist; they are bound to see things from differing points of view.

The critic is talking about how this lobster tasted better than any lobster he's ever had, and the Biologist says "your body didn't see it any different than any other lobster you've ever had". It's not about how it passes through you, it's about how it comes into you.

Read my sig.

CD

Are you saying that I can stop coloring my CDs with green Magic Marker?

Then it's NOT just a DAC

I have always said anyone can make x or y sound different and then market that difference.

Just like MIT 'Music Interfaces'. They may or may not do something but please for the love of whatever higher power stop calling them cables.

There should really be only one thing in the chain that alters sound: an EQ (whether simple PEQ or DSP driven). If you are purchasing a DAC that has prewired EQ you should be told about it.

Also, you're a fool.

So you made up about "(no class action lawsuit so far)".

Funny to see such reply from the one who has demonstrated his reading comprehension problem here time and time again.

Those are audiophiles. You are confused, once again.

So you feel that CruelInventions made a good poin. "That's a good point"
Then try another post by him. You should feel the same about this as well. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...5&postcount=98

I wouldn't say that someone purchasing a DAC with a preset eq/voicing to them should be called a fool.

If that is what they like far as sound goes that is great. Just when recommending that same piece to some one let them know what it actually is. That is is something that is not simply converting a digital to analog signal with the least amount of coloration to the signal as possible.

My DCX is a DAC, but it is also more. I don't go around saying it's just a DAC.

Listen...I've come to tolerate you, for the most part. But if you keep posting that I have a "reading comprehension problem", you can explain it to TOS.

Just because I don't agree with you...of all people...doesn't mean I have a "problem". I think reading, what you tend to write, would be confusing...not to mention exasperating...to most.

CD

I can't think of a non-foolish reason to purchase such a device. If you want to alter the EQ, there are much, much better tools for that.

Let me hop on the opportunity to agree with mcnarus...when I can If you want to alter the EQ, I'd at least want to be able to see what is going on...not leave it "blind", from something inside the box (that's fixed).

CD

Oh, god, did I say something wrong?

While I am not saying they are a fool, I am also not saying they are going about it the best way.

As a consumer purchase what ever you want with your money. Just do it with solid and well grounded information.

If it's that easily recognizable by oneself, it wouldn't be considered a problem and I'll bet you are not aware of that.


Based on your posts last couple of months, just about everyone's writing is confusing to you. "I read, and re-read it; I don't know how you misinterpret that? What do you think he's saying?" http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19549495 And I don't expect you to get that now either so don't bother.

cool it guys

Always nice...after a mod has to come in here, and tell us to knock-off our petty bickering...to try and get back to the OP.

Dabbu1...if you're still anywhere near this thread...lol...maybe an SBT is the right path for you. I've been a Squeezebox fan for years, it offers a ton of convenience and features, if you're looking to stream; and as opposed to worrying about an external DAC, the one it sports...as you say...will probably suit you just fine.

CD

As usual for these types of discussions, the OP has been driven from this thread and possibly the forum. Should you still be around, the best way to try to get feedback might be to open a new thread by asking for responses from only those that have actual experience from using external DAC's. You can decide for yourself which of the (typically) subjective real-world feedback has value to you, but as with most things in life, you can not and should not take advice from people with no first-hand experience with the subject being discussed.