Official OPPO BDP-95 Owner's Thread - Page 336

Thanks for the confirmation! That's what I see as well.

- djc

Glad I could help. I'm going to have to spring for the apple usb someday. I bought all the remastered cds when they came out. I should have waited on the apple usb.

I just popped in my Avengers 2D BD (from the multi-disc set) and it won't play!

The BDP-95 spins for about 15 seconds, then says "Wrong Disc!" and the player automatically ejects it - I tried about ten times.

I'm running firmware BDP9X-74-0908.

What's going on?

Obviously the player would prefer you watch a different movie!

Seriously, this is likely the player getting confused by a screw up in the studio's programming on the disc related to Resume Play. The disc's programming for some other movie disc from that studio (perhaps even another one from this set) has probably saved a Resume Play point and the new disc is complaining because the data it sees doesn't refer to it. This shouldn't happen of course, but never underestimate what the silly studio programmers can get wrong.

Eject the disc. Go into Setup > Device Setup and Erase Persistent Storage. Power cycle the player. Try again. You should be good to go.

If that doesn't do it, try toggling whether BD-Live is ON or not in Setup > Network Setup (even if your player is not network connected).
--Bob

I tried my BD of Inception and got the same error, so I hard power-cycled the player (pulled out and replaced the power cord) and that got it working again.

Very strange…

I'm tired of this unit. This is my 3rd Oppo. I'm jumping off the Oppo bandwagon. These boxes are clearly not worth the huge markup. I have a complicated system, but not that bad. The analog outputs are a real joke for native 5.1 material in a 7.1 system. When support says they couldn't justify paying Dolby a fee to make a matrixed rear channels setup (like DTS BTW), I just loose interest. What is the premium for then?

^ Sorry you feel that way of course, but the 95 was never intended to also be a surround sound processor (e.g., raise 5.1 content to 7.1 speakers output). There's another thread here where people have been posting suggestions for things they'd like to see OPPO add in future players. As for the pricing, it is what it is. Most folks think the 95 is a bargain for what it DOES do. For example, I expect you'll have little problem getting a good price when you sell your used 95.
--Bob

Well, it does kick out DTS in 7.1, just not Dolby. They said it was a money issue for the license, not an intention issue. So someone using a 7.1 system that wants all channels for 5.1 Dolby material (which is a LOT of stuff) is forced back to HDMI to use a pre-pro and PLIIx, which sort of defeats the point of the extra $500 for analog outputs with kick-ass DACs. This is pretty basic. So cool if your a 5.1 guy using the analog Oppo DACs. Not so cool if your a 7.1 guy.

So then if you are forced to use HDMI for Dolby, then you can't get a decent setup for 2-channel SACD playback in DSD either. You need to pull the HDMI cable out each time or use the menu to shut off the audio on the HDMI each time you use a SACD -- if you want DSD. That is just weak to me.

The when Oppo tech suggested I somehow plug my Subwoofer directly into the back of the Oppo - well ... I think they have lost their way.

Another solution would be a whole different player for Dolby. Then the 95 could be used conveniently for true 7.1 material and SACDs, and the other one could be used for Dolby. I just though of that. Maybe that is my best solution. It seems weak though.

I'm not planning on selling this one early to spite myself. I'm just saying I'm not planning on ever buying another. This is my third one between my OK and high-end systems. On my OK system, when I went 3d, I bought a Sony. That one seems 95% as good.

^ I've no idea what you are talking about.

The 95 *DOES* handle Dolby TrueHD 7.1 content both for 7.1 LPCM and 7.1 Bitstream output on HDMI and for 7.1 Analog output on the multi-channel Analog jacks.

The 95 does *NOT* raise 5.1 DTS-HD MA or lossy 5.1 DTS content to 7.1 speakers output. Either for HDMI output or for Analog output.

Basically the 95 does the same thing with both DTS and Dolby content.

I, too, have a sound processor that does not accept HDMI DSD, and although I don't use SACD playback via DSD very often on the Analog outputs, it seems pretty trivial to me to turn HDMI Audio OFF whenever I want to. The player is in either PCM or DSD mode of operation. It can't convert to PCM for HDMI output and still retain DSD for Analog conversion.

I don't know what problem OPPO was trying to solve by their suggested change in your Sub wiring. I take it you were running the Analog outputs (including the sub) through a pre-amp processor before that?

What was it about that which did not work?
--Bob

No offense, but your wrong on this one. For DTS, either MA or old school - in 5.1 - the Oppo BDP-95 matrixes in the rear channels on the rear analog channels. I've both tested it and confirmed with Oppo. I'm not sure if my old BDP-SE did this or not. Check it out. I think you'll be surprised. I noticed you didn't actually say whether you have a 7.1 system though. If you don't then this issue doesn't really matter to you. If you do have a 7.1 system, how do you resolve the issue?

The DSD switch is not that big of a deal. I'd rather not even turn on the projector for SACDs in DSD though. I think that is done through the menu though. I don't see a toggle anywhere.

I'll check on that Rear output. What firmware are you using?

The HDMI Audio OFF is not a toggle. You need to go into Setup to do it. Quite a few folks with projectors are using small, secondary analog video displays for access to the menus when they don't want the projector live.
--Bob

Are you talking about Neo:6 in the Oppo? I believe it can be used for any format, but I normally wouldn't want it.

BDP9x-74-0908
I'm not sure if that is the very latest, but it seems to update every so often.
I was surprised on the DTS issue.

^ Yes, that's the latest. First I've heard of what you are reporting re DTS Analog output. If confirmed, it sure sounds like a bug to me.
--Bob

No such thing in the 95.
--Bob

Gotcha. So maybe it's just duplicating channels, not de-matrixing.

Well that or DTS' silly "Alternate Speaker Presentation" nonsense has slipped into the decoder. But since this is a "DTS Essentials" decoder, that seems unlikely. Still checking if this is real or not.
--Bob

It's definitely happening. DTS HDMA 5.1 has sound eminating from my two back speakers. Dolby TrueHD 5.1 does not. It's been that way for quite some time. I'm refering to the analog outs on the 95

^^ Yes, the DTS-HD MA surround channels are duplicated to the rears in the analog outputs in the 93 as well. Nothing to do with speaker remapping.

ETA to fix my error. See this post for details.
Edited by Roger Dressler - 1/22/13 at 2:19pm

^ I'm still waiting for some answers via the Beta Tester channels. I'll report when I find out more.
--Bob

I guess my last post didn't stick.

The explaination from Oppo was that the DTS spec required the rears to be matrixed for 7.1 on the analog outputs. This is just how I'd prefer. Its lossy DTS as well. So its in the DTS spec, so Oppo did it.

But the Dolby spec doesn't call for this in their spec, so its no implemented. Oppo says they'd need to pay a license to do it, and the license is too expensive. Its a cost thing. That's were I'm not very happy. This was a premium Blu Ray player for the analog outputs.

I don't see a work around for a 7.1 system. Its either 5.1 for Dolby on analog outputs, go to HDMI and let your pre-pro add a post-decoder (PLIIx), or have the speakers make no sound. Its a bummer. In hindsight, I would have skipped the rears altogether, then dropped my surround speakers back 5-6 feet. But that was a long time ago and a lot of $$ ago, so I can't really go back. The other work around is to get a better pre-pro, and use a less expensive Blu Ray player that only kicks out HDMI. That's what I'd probably do next - not get another Oppo.

^ If its a spec requirement it is a dumb one. But this wouldn't be the first dumb thing DTS has built into their specs.

I'll report what I can when I get more details on this.
--Bob

It seems pretty smart to me. It makes my Oppo usable. Plus you can turn it off by setting the Oppo to 5.1.

I don't hear any other work arounds from you. Speakers in a surround system with no sound is what seems dumb to me. Its not the first time I've been wanting more features than available and had really smart people not even understand why.

^ My point is, duplicating the sides into the rears is an incorrect audio mix. It has nothing to do with the way that audio track was intended to be heard by the people who made it. I can't believe that's what DTS is asking for, so that's why I'm checking.
--Bob

It's a known fact/issue, see this post from 10/8/11.
This discrepancy with other 5.1 sources has never bothered me, other than the fact that this means that surround and rear surround speakers better be identical.
What bothers me is the extra 5db applied on analog LFE to DTS sources (even when the downmix is set to 5.1), but I've learned to live with that by lowering the LFE output in the Setup menu depending on the source (which is a pain).
Oppo has confirmed the +5db, but never cared about doing anything about it.

Edited by bathes2051 - 1/19/13 at 3:12am

Or it was your preamp/receiver doing this.

My B&K 50 would do this and although it must have redigitized the side surrounds, it did sound extremely good.

I don't think its a duplication from what I can hear. It sounds pretty good to me.

If I could get the same thing on Dolby material, my system would be better, and I could use the Oppo for all audio.

My old pre-pro (a B&K like above) filled in the rears, but didn't have a discrete input from the rears. My new pre-pro have a true 7.1 input, but no way to fill in the rear channels. So its better for true 7.1 source material, but to me still a compromise when there is no sound sometimes.

Are you sure about that? If it's indeed a duplication of what's presented in the side channels, then wouldn't it too be a lossless signal? We are talking about DTS HD-MA, correct?
Edited by Torqdog - 1/19/13 at 8:01am

My 95 has been displaying some quirky behavior of late. Last night was a prime example. When I powered up the Oppo, inserted a disc and the movie started playing, there was no sound eminating from the center channel. Nothing, zip, nada! This has happened on occasion to the right side surround channel but it usually results in reduced volume, not a complete elimination like last night's episode. Also, it doesn't happen every time........ more like about 5 to 10% so a guranteed duplication of the quirk is not to the point where sending it to Oppo is yet warranted. My luck would find good old Murphy's law in place and Oppo wouldn't be able to duplicate and find any problem. The quirk is not limited to movies as it has also occurred playing 5 channel SACDs. The work-around "fix" has been to stop the disc and re-start the player.

I recently hooked my player to one of the switched outlets on my power conditioner with hopes that maybe disconnecting it from a power source might help eliminate this quirk. Obviously this did not work as evidenced by last night's center channel episode.

Any ideas on what's going on here? Has anyone else had the same experience?

I said that in an unclear way. I meant that the 7.1 effect on the analog channels happened for DTS-MA and DTS lossy. Everyone was confirming and discussing DTS-MA. Its all DTS material I have seen.

This is what Oppo said. If this is accurate, then its the best solution for DTS. Its not duplication, its a matrix. It sounds similar to PLIIx, but at the player level.

The same player with the effect on Dolby would be perfect for my 7.1 system. It can be turned off for the purists. I don't know how much they are talking about, but the 95 was a $500 upgrade, so it seem like there is room. I'd pay an extra $100 for the effect in Dolby. Not sure after that.

This is not required by the Dolby Digital decoding standards. DTS requires this so we are forced to do a matrix, while Dolby Digital does not. Dolby Digital recommend Dolby Prologic processing for upmatrixing, but at an additional licensing fee which we unfortunately are not willing to pay as it is very high price-per-unit fee.