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post #10081 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ Yes, the DTS-HD MA surround channels are duplicated to the rears in the analog outputs in the 93 as well. Nothing to do with speaker remapping.

This makes more sense to me. For it to dematrix rear channel(s) wouldn't there need to be something matrixed into the side channels to begin with, like DTS-ES?

Otherwise if they are so smart why does Oppo always say they can't decode matrixed DTS-ES?
post #10082 of 11026
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

This makes more sense to me. For it to dematrix rear channel(s) wouldn't there need to be something matrixed into the side channels to begin with, like DTS-ES?

Otherwise if they are so smart why does Oppo always say they can't decode matrixed DTS-ES?

The player is not "matrixing" anything, its simply duplicating the sides in the rears. Blame DTS, its their licensing requirement. Solution is to set the player to 5.1 downmix if you don't want it.
post #10083 of 11026
I just replaced my 95 with the 105. I've always used the AIX calibration disc 5.1 LPCM channel balance signal to calibrate my system. I usually do an A-B repeat on each channel so I can stay there until I get it where I need it...going in and out of the speaker configurator. I know the manual says that some dics won't allow A-B replay or a repeat but I've never met a calibration disc that wouldn't allow it. And I could swear that I could A-B with the AIX disc and the 95. Just now re-calibrated my system with the 105 in the mix but the remote would not allow A-B or repeat......very annoying though it was still easy enough..just took a bit longer. Anyone know what gives??? I have the latest 1220 FW on the 105.
post #10084 of 11026
^ Answered where you also posted this in the 105 thread.
--Bob
post #10085 of 11026
I don't see how you get to this conclusion from what I quoted from Oppo. It looks to me like they just use a version of what is common to both surrounds to make the rear channels. I'm not sure why this is a bad thing, since it make the Oppo usable for 7.1 on analog for DTS.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The player is not "matrixing" anything, its simply duplicating the sides in the rears. Blame DTS, its their licensing requirement. Solution is to set the player to 5.1 downmix if you don't want it.
post #10086 of 11026
Today it happened for the second time within a week that the Oppo didn't boot correctly. Somewhere the booting process stopped. On the Oppo display appeared the text 'OPPO' (it doesn't make it to 'NO DISC') and nothing on the TV screen.
I restarted and everything went normal. I haven't installed an update lately.
Any ideas?
post #10087 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Kraton View Post

Today it happened for the second time within a week that the Oppo didn't boot correctly. Somewhere the booting process stopped. On the Oppo display appeared the text 'OPPO' (it doesn't make it to 'NO DISC') and nothing on the TV screen.
I restarted and everything went normal. I haven't installed an update lately.
Any ideas?

Your player may need service. It could have a power supply problem for example.

Are you using the latest firmware or still running an old firmware (e.g., ISO capable)?

The usual next step whenever the player is behaving oddly is to do a fresh firmware install and a complete reset of the player (including a power off and pulling the power cord for about 10 seconds after that Reset Factory Defaults). This may cure the problem, but if not, it puts the player in a known state for further checks.

Send OPPO Tech Support an email with the details including the Main, Loader and Sub/MCU firmware version numbers (Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information).
--Bob
post #10088 of 11026
Thread Starter 
Change the HDMI cable. Most failures of the player not booting properly are due to a failed HDMI HDCP handshake which causes the player to seize up. Replacing or removing the HDMI cable will in most cases result in the proper use of the player.
post #10089 of 11026
Thanks for the replies.
I have followed Bob's advice and installed a clean update. If it happens again I shall try a new HDMI cable.
post #10090 of 11026
When I asked Oppo to clarify, they said is is just a duplication for DTS.

I'm back to my original frustration of why I'd want to use this player in a 7.1 system if I'm not going to have any sound from the rears on half of my discs. Ideally, they;d have PLIIx available at the player level, but that is clearly not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The player is not "matrixing" anything, its simply duplicating the sides in the rears. Blame DTS, its their licensing requirement. Solution is to set the player to 5.1 downmix if you don't want it.
post #10091 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Chriscpm View Post

When I asked Oppo to clarify, they said is is just a duplication for DTS.

I'm back to my original frustration of why I'd want to use this player in a 7.1 system if I'm not going to have any sound from the rears on half of my discs. Ideally, they;d have PLIIx available at the player level, but that is clearly not going to happen.

Nobody promised you it would.
post #10092 of 11026
I'm not sure what this means. Is this promise that I'd want to use this player in a 7.1 system?
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Nobody promised you it would.
post #10093 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Chriscpm View Post

I'm back to my original frustration of why I'd want to use this player in a 7.1 system if I'm not going to have any sound from the rears on half of my discs. Ideally, they;d have PLIIx available at the player level, but that is clearly not going to happen.
Correct. Surround processing is the provenance of the AV processor, not the source player.
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Originally Posted by Chriscpm View Post

Well, it does kick out DTS in 7.1, just not Dolby. They said it was a money issue for the license, not an intention issue.
Yes, a process like PLIIx is a considerably different value proposition than a Y splitter.
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So someone using a 7.1 system that wants all channels for 5.1 Dolby material (which is a LOT of stuff) is forced back to HDMI to use a pre-pro and PLIIx, which sort of defeats the point of the extra $500 for analog outputs with kick-ass DACs.
I cannot speak to the rationale for putting better DACs (or any DACs) in a BD player intended to feed an AV processor. But being "forced" to use HDMI is a pretty good alternative. It enables digital transfer of high quality multichannel audio, something that was not possible otherwise.
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Another solution would be a whole different player for Dolby. Then the 95 could be used conveniently for true 7.1 material and SACDs, and the other one could be used for Dolby. I just though of that. Maybe that is my best solution. It seems weak though.
Why not use the Oppo just for SACDs and get a $100 Sony BD player for all BD contents via HDMI?
Edited by Roger Dressler - 1/20/13 at 10:07pm
post #10094 of 11026
Hi,

Question about Oppo supported file system structures for USB flash drives.

Which file system structures does Oppo 95 support for playing a large file (23GB) from an USB flash drive?

FAT (or FAT32) does not support these large files so that is a no go.
I read somewhere that NTFS is supported by Oppo but I don't have windows.
So the question really is, does the Oppo 95 support ext3, ext4 or apple's HFS ?

Thanks!
post #10095 of 11026
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Originally Posted by rairwave View Post

Hi,

Question about Oppo supported file system structures for USB flash drives.

Which file system structures does Oppo 95 support for playing a large file (23GB) from an USB flash drive?

FAT (or FAT32) does not support these large files so that is a no go.
I read somewhere that NTFS is supported by Oppo but I don't have windows.
So the question really is, does the Oppo 95 support ext3, ext4 or apple's HFS ?

Thanks!

You need to use NTFS for files larger than 4 gb. I don't have windows either but downloaded a trial utility that will format NTFS on a mac. I later deleted it in favor of a free utility that came with my toshiba 1 tb hard drive. The utility will initialize and format any drive usb, hard, etc.
post #10096 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Chriscpm View Post

I'm back to my original frustration of why I'd want to use this player in a 7.1 system if I'm not going to have any sound from the rears on half of my discs. Ideally, they;d have PLIIx available at the player level, but that is clearly not going to happen.

What about movies that don't use all the pixels on your TV - does that bother you too? wink.gif

Seriously though, if 7.1 is that important you just need to make sure you have the right preamp/processor. Something from Lexicon on the used market would do quite nicely, if you want to keep the '95. I don't know if any universal players have Neo:6 or PLIIx analog out. The flagship Panasonic might, or you could add a cheap Sony just for movies, but how many 7.1 channel inputs does your current preamp have?
Edited by AVfile - 1/21/13 at 9:34am
post #10097 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Chriscpm View Post

My new pre-pro have a true 7.1 input, but no way to fill in the rear channels. So its better for true 7.1 source material, but to me still a compromise when there is no sound sometimes.

What is this "new" pre-pro?
post #10098 of 11026
This is the BDP-95 thread. That player adds audiophile DACs on the analog outputs. The idea is those would be better than the DACs of your pre-pro, except for super high end pre-pros. If you are going to go back to processing on your pre-pro, that defeats the value of the 95. So 5 years ago, maybe the analog was in case your pre-pro didn't have lossless processing. But now its more to get a higher quality DAC performance. If none of that matters, then get a 93, or a cheaper player. If you don't have a 7.1 system, then none of this matters to you. But it does to me. My room is set up for 7.1. That was done 13 years ago and would be tough to change now.

The new Oppo does have Neo:6, but they only put it in for stereo to multi-channel, not to fill in the rears. So the easiest way, and probably the best way, to implement 7.1 is from HDMI on your pre-pro. So that is back to where I started - i see no need ot buy another Oppo. This is my 3rd. I'm getting very little value over a basic blu ray model. Maybe some 2-channel SACDs. DTS for sure is spot on will all 7 channels.

Speaking of music, I have rush 2112 in DTS-MA in my bag from work. I'm glad they choose DTS, so I get all 7 channels from the Oppo. I'm going to check it out now.

On the TV, back in the day I looked for anamorphic DVDs to use all those pixels. Now I have plenty of pixels.
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

What about movies that don't use all the pixels on your TV - does that bother you too? wink.gif

Seriously though, if 7.1 is that important you just need to make sure you have the right preamp/processor. Something from Lexicon on the used market would do quite nicely, if you want to keep the '95. I don't know if any universal players have Neo:6 or PLIIx analog out. The flagship Panasonic might, or you could add a cheap Sony just for movies, but how many 7.1 channel inputs does your current preamp have?
post #10099 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Chriscpm 
Speaking of music, I have rush 2112 in DTS-MA in my bag from work. I'm glad they choose DTS, so I get all 7 channels from the Oppo. I'm going to check it out now.
The Moving Pictures blu-ray audio disc also comes with a 96khz, 24bit DTS HD-MA mix
post #10100 of 11026
They have the same stats for 2112. It was just released. This one has cool cartoon 2d shots going, which is a good idea for a Blu Ray audio. When I listened to Moving Pictures with a friend the first time last year, the mix sounded funny on my system. Then we read in the liner notes somewhere to really crank it up. That worked. 2112 seems to be the same way, it sound right cranked up. You really get the dynamics on the Blu Ray version. These two were a nice touch to the catalog.
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

The Moving Pictures blu-ray audio disc also comes with a 96khz, 24bit DTS HD-MA mix
post #10101 of 11026
Is the better quality DAC configuration in the two RCA and two XLR stereo outputs? The DACs in the 7 channel RCA analog out isn't quite as good?

I've been looking in the PDF and can't seem to find it.
post #10102 of 11026
Currently I am connecting the OPPO to my Marantz projector with video component analog cables. The projector does not have HDMI. Would it be worth buying a HDFury component to HDMI converter for $250.00 so that I can watch up-converted DVD's via HDMI? Is the upc-nverted DVD image that much better than straight DVD?
post #10103 of 11026
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Originally Posted by JohnnyK View Post

Currently I am connecting the OPPO to my Marantz projector with video component analog cables. The projector does not have HDMI. Would it be worth buying a HDFury component to HDMI converter for $250.00 so that I can watch up-converted DVD's via HDMI? Is the upc-nverted DVD image that much better than straight DVD?

I would be reluctant to put new money into component video. It has no future.

You might try a calibration disc with test patterns. Look at it on your system, then maybe take your player to a friend who has an HDMI display and compare as well as you can.

Upconversion of DVD (to 1080i) is allowed for DVDs that do not have CSS copy protection. DVDs made by backup software are an example. You might try a disc with and without CSS to see if there is a difference.

For best results, always calibrate the display.

-Bill
post #10104 of 11026
I'm new to this forum. This a pretty big thread, which I intend to read little by little. Right now I'm interested in information on Oppo 95 region modification. I successfully installed the pro card, and I know how to change region and area codes. I'm wondering if it's possible to display current codes on the Oppo through settings or whatever. I don't see how to do it. Does anyone know where the info on modding starts? Even an approximation would help. Thanks.
post #10105 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ Yes, the DTS-HD MA surround channels are duplicated to the rears in the analog outputs in the 93 as well. Nothing to do with speaker remapping.
I need to revise my post. DTS confirmed that this condition is in fact how remapping works when a single pair of surround signals is presented on a 7.1 system. I had previously thought that remapping only happened with DTS 7.1 content.
post #10106 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Chriscpm View Post

the analog was in case your pre-pro didn't have lossless processing. But now its more to get a higher quality DAC performance.
Well that's one way to build a system I guess, but not ideal as you've found out. For multi-channel sound, better DACs without the right processing means nothing.
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If none of that matters, then get a 93, or a cheaper player.
I always thought (hoped) most people that made an informed decision to get the 95 over the 93 have an HT that doubles as a high-end stereo, possibly with an analog preamp that benefits from balanced XLR, otherwise there will be Dacs wasted somewhere in the system.
Edited by AVfile - 1/22/13 at 7:10pm
post #10107 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ Yes, the DTS-HD MA surround channels are duplicated to the rears in the analog outputs in the 93 as well. Nothing to do with speaker remapping.
I need to revise my post. DTS confirmed that this condition is in fact how remapping works when a single pair of surround signals is presented on a 7.1 system. I had previously thought that remapping only happened with DTS 7.1 content.

So how do they reconcile that with the fact that decoding 5.1 DTS-HD MA to HDMI LPCM results in 5.1 LPCM even though the AVR can accept 7.1 LPCM.

It really does sound like they've simply added complexity for complexities sake. People listening to a 5.1 track should get 5.1 speaker output by default.
--Bob
post #10108 of 11026
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

I just replaced my 95 with the 105. I've always used the AIX calibration disc 5.1 LPCM channel balance signal to calibrate my system. I usually do an A-B repeat on each channel so I can stay there until I get it where I need it...going in and out of the speaker configurator. I know the manual says that some dics won't allow A-B replay or a repeat but I've never met a calibration disc that wouldn't allow it. And I could swear that I could A-B with the AIX disc and the 95. Just now re-calibrated my system with the 105 in the mix but the remote would not allow A-B or repeat......very annoying though it was still easy enough..just took a bit longer. Anyone know what gives??? I have the latest 1220 FW on the 105.

 

Congratulation does it sound better?

post #10109 of 11026
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

So how do they reconcile that with the fact that decoding 5.1 DTS-HD MA to HDMI LPCM results in 5.1 LPCM even though the AVR can accept 7.1 LPCM

That would NOT be cool if it sent fake 7.1 LPCM!
post #10110 of 11026
^ Yeah, well that's what I think about what they are requiring for Analog. I think I have to put another mark against DTS on the naughty list.
--Bob
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