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post #10291 of 11017
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

It's kind of difficult to provide any advice without more details. What receiver are you using? Does it have room correction? If so, which type (Audyssey XT, Audyssey XT32, Anthem's ARC, Pioneer's MCAAC, etc.) and do you have it turned on? As Rich suggested, do you have any functionality such as dialog normalization turned on?

The bottom line is that you're not comparing analog vs HDMI. You're comparing the DAC implementation in the Oppo with the DAC implementation (plus any additional processing) in your receiver. Also, you can't assume that since your receiver doesn't re-digitize analog inputs it isn't altering the sound at all as it's possible for analog bypass to screw things up.

Here are my specs:

Yamaha RX-A1000
Emotiva XPA-5
Kef Q900 fronts, Q600C center & Q300 rears
Rythmik E15 sub
Oppo 95
Blue Jeans speaker cables, HDMI cables & interconnects.

I have only set distances in the Yamaha speaker setup & didn't perform the auto setup as I do not like equalization. I prefer straight sound. ALL other features which Yamaha tries to throw on you have been turned off. Cinema DSP, Dialog lift , yada yada all off. I can't stand that stuff.

Ok, now what is dialog normalization?
post #10292 of 11017
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

No, volume can be different with Dolby sound tracks due to a feature called Dialog Normalization or DialNorm.
This adjusts the volume up or down. More processors display this and you can see it on broadcast.
This can make comparing Dolby sources difficult. Even a 1 DB difference can make a difference but DialNorm is usually adjusting the volume by 3 to 7 DB which is significant.

Try listening to some DTS-MA sound tracks and comparing them. DTS does not have this feature.

- Rich

Didn,t read your post before responding to gsr.

So dialog normalization would make that much a difference in HDMI v. analog?

I will try Mummy tonight which has DTS-MA.
post #10293 of 11017
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

No, volume can be different with Dolby sound tracks due to a feature called Dialog Normalization or DialNorm.
This adjusts the volume up or down. More processors display this and you can see it on broadcast.
This can make comparing Dolby sources difficult. Even a 1 DB difference can make a difference but DialNorm is usually adjusting the volume by 3 to 7 DB which is significant.

Try listening to some DTS-MA sound tracks and comparing them. DTS does not have this feature.

- Rich

OK did some research on dialognorm. According to the below, the Air Force 1 blu ray has dialnorm set at zero.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=121087

I have Dynamic Range in the Oppo set at auto. Would it make sense to turn it off?
post #10294 of 11017
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Originally Posted by arshishb View Post

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I have Dynamic Range in the Oppo set at auto. Would it make sense to turn it off?

Yes, I would recommend setting Dynamic Range Control OFF. It only applies when Bitstream tracks are being decoded (i.e., Bitstream track played via HDMI LPCM or Analog output). When using HDMI Bitstream output, some similar setting in your AVR would control instead, as it is applied during the decode.

The main reason for leaving it off is that too many discs have been known to include bad data for this, which can result in anemic sounding movies.

The main reasons for volume differences between HDMI and Analog are twofold:

1) You don't have your speaker levels properly balanced for BOTH ways of listening. This is particularly important as regards the Analog subwoofer channel. The multi-channel Analog Subwoofer output of the 95 requires +15dB boost, external to the player, to match the other RCA output jacks. +10dB of that comes from the standard way LFE bass is recorded. The other +5dB comes from allowing headroom for additional bass which might be steered to the Sub output from other speaker channels via Crossover processing. I recommend you use an audio calibration disc for verifying both your HDMI and Analog setups. For example, use the LPCM test tracks from AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, and measure with a Sound Pressure Level (SPL) meter -- the one from Radio Shack is commonly used.

2) Your pre-amp's input sensitivity for Analog is not precisely matched to the output voltage of the 95. I.e., the Analog speaker channels are balanced but they are all slightly higher or lower in volume than the HDMI channels due to the sensitivity of your pre-amp's Analog inputs. After you get your speakers balanced in volume with respect to each other (checked for BOTH types of input), you can use the Volume control in the OPPO (buttons on the remote) to adjust the Analog output level. You may also find that your pre-amp or AVR has input level adjustment available for its multi-channel Analog input.

Keep in mind that most AVRs offer various types of "processing" on their audio inputs. When comparing multi-channel Analog to HDMI, obviously you have to make sure the AVR is doing the same thing with both. Most AVRs are complicated enough that it is easy to screw this up.
--Bob
post #10295 of 11017
OK I turned off DRC & set my fronts to small & that made a big difference. I am now getting the "fullness" & authority. If anyone has the Mummy blu-ray the opening score where those huge trumpet like things are played (you can't see them). The roll off in both modes is greatly noticeable. The receiver sounds more sharp but the Oppo's DAC sounds more full & the roll off is smooth as buttah!

I am going to re-evaluate Air Force 1 tomorrow & hopefully that should seal the deal to use analog out for movies.

I set the sub to +6 in the Oppo levels & that helped some. Tomorrow I will raise it 2 more notches.
post #10296 of 11017
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Originally Posted by arshishb View Post

OK I turned off DRC & set my fronts to small & that made a big difference. I am now getting the "fullness" & authority. If anyone has the Mummy blu-ray the opening score where those huge trumpet like things are played (you can't see them). The roll off in both modes is greatly noticeable. The receiver sounds more sharp but the Oppo's DAC sounds more full & the roll off is smooth as buttah!

I am going to re-evaluate Air Force 1 tomorrow & hopefully that should seal the deal to use analog out for movies.

I set the sub to +6 in the Oppo levels & that helped some. Tomorrow I will raise it 2 more notches.

OK you are on the right track, but you really do need to get an SPL meter and a calibration disc and confirm your Sub levels.

Ideally you should achieve the needed Sub boost without raising the Sub output Volume trim in the 95 -- because that may raise the output voltage to a level that could clip the input at the other end of the cable.

In the simplest case you do this by raising the volume knob on the Sub itself -- checking with the SPL meter to get it right.

That may make your Sub volume too loud for your DIGITAL sources. If so, you may be able use the output volume trims in your digital sound processor to lower its sub output to compensate for the amount you turned up the Sub volume knob.
--Bob
post #10297 of 11017
HELP frown.gif
I tried to upgrade today to the new firmware BDP9x-77-0308B, and during the upgrade my little boy remove by mistake the DOK.
Now my OPPO 95 is not respond.
After power up, It's only show the blue light with no display.
Is there a way to fix it ?

Please help me

Thank you
Edited by iyolsh05 - 3/22/13 at 2:03am
post #10298 of 11017
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Originally Posted by iyolsh05 View Post

HELP frown.gif
I tried to upgrade today to the new firmware BDP9x-77-0308B, and during the upgrade my little boy remove by mistake the DOK.
Now my OPPO 95 is not respond.
After power up, It's only show the blue light with no display.
Is there a way to fix it ?

Please help me

Thank you

You should call OPPO Tech Support. If the actual install of the firmware was interrupted the player probably needs service.

I take it you get nothing but the blue power light? No text in the Front Panel display?
--Bob
post #10299 of 11017
I already contact them and wait for respond.
There is no text display and no display on screen.
I see only the blue light and the 5 touch buttons (play,stop,pause ...).
post #10300 of 11017
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Originally Posted by arshishb View Post

Anyone here uses the analog out for movies? I already compared the dedicated analog out for music with that of HDMI & to me the analog sounded a lot better. A lot more "balanced" so to speak. That is how I will listen to music now on.

However for movies its a different story. Until yesterday I had only watched on HDMI since I didn't have 6 rca cables to connect so I was waiting for the cables to arrive. Yesterday they arrived & I promptly hooked them up. Luckily in my receiver I was able to do a sort of "A-B" transition while watching a movie. HDMI & then multi channel in & vice versa.

Once again analog sounded a lot more balanced, not bright, channel separation was very clear & the musical soundtracks sounded fantastic. Bass sucked. I had to increase the sub level a few notches in the sound setup of the Oppo. My receiver does NOT convert analog in to digital. It passes analog in without any processing. So i know the receiver is not adding any of its own noise. The roll offs were very smooth.

HDMI on the other hand sounded a lot more "sharp"? For instance when in Air Force 1 when the goons on the plane first load up their guns & insert the magazine into the chamber, the whole click-clack sounded very bright & attention grabbing. Channel separation was OK compared to analog. Bass amangement was handled by the receiver & it was perfect. I did have to notch it down a bit. personal preference. The roll offs here sounded OK.

What set HDMI apart from the analog was its authority. At moderate volumes I could get full engaging sound. For analog, I had to turn up the volume a bit compared to HDMI. I am using an Emotiva XPA5 for amplification so I know I am definitely not short on amp power. (200WPC x 5) And even then the sound is not that engaging? Dialog quality was the same on both formats.

Is this how its supposed to be? Opinions?

Granted I just spent time on one movie, I am going to try a few more later this evening.

I use the 95 analog out direct to amps, no receiver. I tried a Yamaha 5790 analog in with it's bypass engaed and it made the 95 sound cold and lifeless. I also tried an arcamavr300 and it was a lot better but still dropped quality over amp direct. Make sure you set the analog out to variable, at low volume and try that. Just make sure you balance the volume of eqch channel properly.
post #10301 of 11017
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Originally Posted by mikepos View PostI use the 95 analog out direct to amps, no receiver. I tried a Yamaha 5790 analog in with it's bypass engaed and it made the 95 sound cold and lifeless. I also tried an arcamavr300 and it was a lot better but still dropped quality over amp direct. Make sure you set the analog out to variable, at low volume and try that. Just make sure you balance the volume of eqch channel properly.

And you liked it better!

post #10302 of 11017
So after years of being told by the editorials in magazines and on the web that multi-channel analog is somehow BAD and digital interconnection was to be the way of the future and would save us from the rats nest of cables, we are going back to analog? Somehow the AVR was supposed to have magical bass management and other powers that the source was incapable of rolleyes.gif
post #10303 of 11017
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

So after years of being told by the editorials in magazines and on the web that multi-channel analog is somehow BAD and digital interconnection was to be the way of the future and would save us from the rats nest of cables, we are going back to analog? Somehow the AVR was supposed to have magical bass management and other powers that the source was incapable of rolleyes.gif
The signal obviously has to be converted to analog at some point. So you get the choice of doing that in each source device or in the AVR (or processor, if using separates). The main advantages of doing it in the AVR is that they typically have more flexible speaker configuration and bass management than source devices and have extra features, such as room correction, available. The other advantage is that you can theoretically pay for a superb DAC implementation once and share it with all your sources. If you upgrade your AVR, all your sources will benefit from the upgrade. Fewer cables is a nice bonus.

The only advantage to doing the conversion to analog in a source is that some sources, such as the BDP-95 and BDP-105, do a better job than many AVR's. But in this case you either lose the extra features, such as room correction, or have to convert back to digital to use those features (which generally defeats the whole point of doing the conversion in the source).
post #10304 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

OK you are on the right track, but you really do need to get an SPL meter and a calibration disc and confirm your Sub levels.

Ideally you should achieve the needed Sub boost without raising the Sub output Volume trim in the 95 -- because that may raise the output voltage to a level that could clip the input at the other end of the cable.

In the simplest case you do this by raising the volume knob on the Sub itself -- checking with the SPL meter to get it right.

That may make your Sub volume too loud for your DIGITAL sources. If so, you may be able use the output volume trims in your digital sound processor to lower its sub output to compensate for the amount you turned up the Sub volume knob.
--Bob

As per Mike's suggestion above I connected the Oppo directly to the Emotiva & that pretty much sealed the deal for me. The sound over the analogs v. the HDMI is simply much better (for me) It seems the Yamaha was after all messing with the signal.

I don't have an SPL meter but I have a free SPL app on my phone that I used to level the sub. So with the sub volume at 60% & the level at Oppo set at zero, I was able to get the desired the bass response. I reset the fronts to large & that seemed to make no difference. Of course now I cannot use the dedicated stereo out since all my amps inputs are used up.

Any way of turning on the amp automatically when the Oppo turns on? I use trigger from the Yamaha to the Emotiva but if I plan to remove the Yamaha from the equation, I need a way to turn on the Emo.
post #10305 of 11017
This is my first post, so I apologize in advance if I'm replying on top of an unrelated topic. I'd like to get opinions on the 95's multichannel DAC vs the DAC in my Marantz SR7005. Getting to the point, I'm currently using HDMI for Blu Ray audio, and now debating if I should use the Oppo's 7.1 analog outs instead? Use the better DAC in the Oppo, but loose the Audyssey features in the Marantz? Perhaps this would give me an excuse to go out and buy an SPL meter. Any comments, or better yet actual first hand user experience feedback would be great. Sorry, if this has already been discussed (I'm guessing it has somewhere.)
post #10306 of 11017
dintymoore2003,

I had a similar question in the past. The difference is that our receiver is a Marantz SR7002.We decided to try the 7.1 analog and we had better results with that. Currently, we are using the HDMI only for video.

In order to improve even further the 7.1 experience connect the Left/Right inputs of your SR7005 to the related Oppo 95 Stereo Audio Out and in the setup menu set Audio Processing>Stereo signal>Front Left/Right. With this configuration you will use additional DAC's for the front channels.

I consider that the Oppo 7.1 analog is a very good configuration to explore in your case.

Regards,

Marcos


Q.J.A
post #10307 of 11017
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Originally Posted by arshishb View Post

As per Mike's suggestion above I connected the Oppo directly to the Emotiva & that pretty much sealed the deal for me. The sound over the analogs v. the HDMI is simply much better (for me) It seems the Yamaha was after all messing with the signal.

I don't have an SPL meter but I have a free SPL app on my phone that I used to level the sub. So with the sub volume at 60% & the level at Oppo set at zero, I was able to get the desired the bass response. I reset the fronts to large & that seemed to make no difference. Of course now I cannot use the dedicated stereo out since all my amps inputs are used up.

Any way of turning on the amp automatically when the Oppo turns on? I use trigger from the Yamaha to the Emotiva but if I plan to remove the Yamaha from the equation, I need a way to turn on the Emo.

Just to comment...you can configure your 95 under the "Setup>Audio Processing" menu to utilize the dedicated 2.0 outs as your MCH FL/FR. The 95 doesn't have a trigger out, so doubt you can solve the turn on issue with the direct connection.
post #10308 of 11017
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Originally Posted by arshishb View Post

Any way of turning on the amp automatically when the Oppo turns on? I use trigger from the Yamaha to the Emotiva but if I plan to remove the Yamaha from the equation, I need a way to turn on the Emo.
The USB ports provide 5V DC when the player is on, so you could use something like ths USB power cable to trigger your amp (you would probably need to cut the power connector off and replace it with whatever your amp needs). If the amp needs 12V for the trigger input to work, there are various ways to get there - using a 5V to 12V DC to DC step up convertor (just be careful that there's still enough wattage for the trigger on the amp to work), or using the 5V from the USB to trigger a relay that's connected to a 12V power source, etc. If you search around on the web, you'll find all sorts of solutions to this.
post #10309 of 11017
Thanks for the feedback, looks like I'll be ordering some RCA cables and investing in an SPL meter!
post #10310 of 11017
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

The USB ports provide 5V DC when the player is on, so you could use something like ths USB power cable to trigger your amp (you would probably need to cut the power connector off and replace it with whatever your amp needs). If the amp needs 12V for the trigger input to work, there are various ways to get there - using a 5V to 12V DC to DC step up convertor (just be careful that there's still enough wattage for the trigger on the amp to work), or using the 5V from the USB to trigger a relay that's connected to a 12V power source, etc. If you search around on the web, you'll find all sorts of solutions to this.

Thanks, that was very helpful. Luckily my amp accepts 5 - 12 V DC so I can directly connect that after I hack an 1/8 mono adapter on it. Of course I will have to forgo WiFi now since my wifi dongle is hooked on to it.

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Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post

Just to comment...you can configure your 95 under the "Setup>Audio Processing" menu to utilize the dedicated 2.0 outs as your MCH FL/FR. The 95 doesn't have a trigger out, so doubt you can solve the turn on issue with the direct connection.


I looked at the audio configuration section in the manual & can't find this. Can you point me to something more specific?
post #10311 of 11017
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Originally Posted by arshishb View Post

Thanks, that was very helpful. Luckily my amp accepts 5 - 12 V DC so I can directly connect that after I hack an 1/8 mono adapter on it. Of course I will have to forgo WiFi now since my wifi dongle is hooked on to it.
You could use a USB splitter cable or an non-powered hub in order to use both. The trigger should draw a negligible amount of power, so I doubt that plus the wireless dongle would draw too much power from the player's USB port.
post #10312 of 11017
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Originally Posted by arshishb View Post

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Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post

Just to comment...you can configure your 95 under the "Setup>Audio Processing" menu to utilize the dedicated 2.0 outs as your MCH FL/FR. The 95 doesn't have a trigger out, so doubt you can solve the turn on issue with the direct connection.

I looked at the audio configuration section in the manual & can't find this. Can you point me to something more specific?

Setup > Audio Processing > Stereo Signal. Scroll up or down in this long sub-menu to find it. The choices are DOWN MIX STEREO (the default) and FRONT LEFT/RIGHT.

DOWN MIX STEREO means the Dedicated Stereo L/R jacks (both RCA and XLR) act independently of the multi-channel Analog settings.

FRONT LEFT/RIGHT means the Dedicated Stereo L/R jacks apply ALL the settings that would normally affect the Left Front / Right Front pair in the multi-channel Analog set, meaning you can wire the Dedicated L/R in lieu of the normal, multi-channel LF/RF.

If you are looking in your original Manual for the 95, it may be out of date. You can download the latest version (a PDF file) from the OPPO Support page for the 95:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-95/blu-ray-BDP-95-Support.aspx

--Bob
post #10313 of 11017
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

You could use a USB splitter cable or an non-powered hub in order to use both. The trigger should draw a negligible amount of power, so I doubt that plus the wireless dongle would draw too much power from the player's USB port.

Thanks again. I thought of that after I replied to you. I wont be able to get to this at least for a week so for now I will just have to be content on switching on the Emo myself.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Setup > Audio Processing > Stereo Signal. Scroll up or down in this long sub-menu to find it. The choices are DOWN MIX STEREO (the default) and FRONT LEFT/RIGHT.

DOWN MIX STEREO means the Dedicated Stereo L/R jacks (both RCA and XLR) act independently of the multi-channel Analog settings.

FRONT LEFT/RIGHT means the Dedicated Stereo L/R jacks apply ALL the settings that would normally affect the Left Front / Right Front pair in the multi-channel Analog set, meaning you can wire the Dedicated L/R in lieu of the normal, multi-channel LF/RF.

If you are looking in your original Manual for the 95, it may be out of date. You can download the latest version (a PDF file) from the OPPO Support page for the 95:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-95/blu-ray-BDP-95-Support.aspx

--Bob

Thanks! I kept trying to the to the Down Mix in the Speaker setup! Didn't notice there was another down mix in the main audio setup menu. Talk about missing the obvious.
post #10314 of 11017
I am considering mod'ing my 95 with Tridane's Oppo BDP-93/95 multiregion DIY PRO version kit. For those of you with this kit, and before I place an order, I am interested in learning how your units have performed over time particularly after firmware updates from Oppo. Is there anyone who absolutely would recommend against installing the kit (other than for the risk of voiding Oppo's warranty) and who would be willing to explain why? Thank you.
post #10315 of 11017
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Originally Posted by marcuslaw View PostI am considering mod'ing my 95 with Tridane's Oppo BDP-93/95 multiregion DIY PRO version kit. For those of you with this kit, and before I place an order, I am interested in learning how your units have performed over time particularly after firmware updates from Oppo. Is there anyone who absolutely would recommend against installing the kit (other than for the risk of voiding Oppo's warranty) and who would be willing to explain why? Thank you.

You should hear it first to make sure you like it!

post #10316 of 11017
I have recently come across some sites offerring DSD file downloads: will the Oppo read and play these from an attached USB hard drive, or will I need software on my computer to play these files, presumablly direct to my av receiver (insofar as I have an Oppo 95, not an Oppo 105)?
Some sites are also offering the same recordings in flac files (192 and 96khz).
Has anybody downloaded DSD files from anywhere?
post #10317 of 11017
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

I have recently come across some sites offerring DSD file downloads: will the Oppo read and play these from an attached USB hard drive, or will I need software on my computer to play these files, presumablly direct to my av receiver (insofar as I have an Oppo 95, not an Oppo 105)?
Some sites are also offering the same recordings in flac files (192 and 96khz).
Has anybody downloaded DSD files from anywhere?

No DSD file support for the -95. That was just added to the -103/105.

-Bill
post #10318 of 11017
Damn, why didn't my Denon 2200 universal (?) player hold out a few more months, when I would have found the 105 on the market?rolleyes.gif
post #10319 of 11017
Hello all

I have been looking throgh all the posts in this thread and I am sure this has been repeated but for clarity could one of you kind folks help me out. Here is my scenario, i currently have a Yamaha RX-A3010 and Oppo BDP-95 and my question is this. Can you have both the HDMI with Audio goin out of the Oppo into the Yamaha HDMI input and 7.1 analog audio out from the oppo into the Yamaha multi channel in simultaneously? I know phycically it is not an issue on either device but what if any changes would I have to make to the oppo setup menu to switch between the two. I prefer the HDMI connection so on a whim if I want to use the Yamaha DSPs for audio playback they are available, but comeing from old school analog pre-amps there are times I just want direct pure analog signal with the Yamaha doing no processing whatsever. Has anyone done the Multichannel anolog with the yamaha receivers instead of HDMI and what did you think? Better, same, or worse. I previously had a B&K reference 50 S2 pre-amp and loved the sound (if had no HDMI so analog was the only option for HD movies), but with the Yamaha going HDMI something is missing and I just can't pin it down, ran YPAO, tweeked all speaker settings, ran an SPL the whole nine yards, so this is what has me thinking there is something more with the multichannel outputs. any guidance or feedback would be immensly appreciated.

P.S. I am running an ATI 2007 amp with the yamaha so running the Oppo direct to amp is an option using the Multichannel outs, feedback on this is also appreciat:cool:ed.
post #10320 of 11017
Anyone else ever have any issues with any of the Region mod kits? I just purchased a slightly used 95 with barely one hour on it that was pre fitted as one of those players that a company modded ( do not which one though ). I was watching a Region B blu ray for the second time and the movie froze. It had played through that scene before with no issues - at that point I tried using the remote to stop the player and open the tray but it would not respond. Pressing any of the buttons on the panel gave the same results. Anyway, I unplugged it and after a few minutes installed the power cord again and found the same problem as another poster mentioned: no display, only the blue indicator light and the illuminated function symbols on the far right.The unit would not open the tray. I have emailed Oppo and they say the problems are likely the result of the region free kit failing. They recommended disconnecting it which I did but the problem still persists. Would a hard drive failure cause any of the described issues? I have to admit I am a bit frustrated as I decided on the BDP 95 for the analog performance, I already have the 93 so I guess I will be using it instead. Pretty expensive paper weight if you ask me as I can only imagine what it will possibly cost to repair.
Edited by filmbuff2 - 3/28/13 at 11:46am
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