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post #331 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Perhaps there's a difference when the unit warms up to normal operating temperature? Or perhaps that's true of some of your other gear that might have been powered off while you did the original install of the player?

As best I know, Oppo is still not suggesting the unit needs either break-in time or pre-use warm up for best sound quality.
--Bob

You make a good point. The Krell amp had been powered down for several days prior to set-up of the OPPO. It has been powered on for last few days. On the other hand, the early comparisons were with same amp.
post #332 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Roger Mathus View Post

You make a good point. The Krell amp had been powered down for several days prior to set-up of the OPPO. It has been powered on for last few days. On the other hand, the early comparisons were with same amp.

The mind is a tricky playground. At least it is for me.
post #333 of 11017
Early impressions are turning around, neat.

Its been called burning in, I call it cycling. Whenever I have a new audio toy, I cycle it from on/off then on/off for a period of time. This complete charge/discharge of the caps and other circuit components make them form chemically in time. Does this affect the sound? It may or it may not, however, it helps the components form.
post #334 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Check the Oppo DLNA FAQ thread (link found at the top of the first post of this thread) to see if folks using your DLNA server have any suggestions.

There are others here better able to answer DLNA related questions than me, but I believe there are still issues with some forms of high bit rate audio when playing m2ts streams over DLNA.

Try moving the file to a directly connected USB or eSATA drive to confirm the issue really is with DLNA.
--Bob

Thanks for your suggestion, Bob. When I played the M2TS files from a USB memory stick, they played flawlessly. Both the picture and sound are incredible going through the Oppo's video processor and DACs.

There is likely hope that M2TS files can successfully play through the network but I'll take my search over to the DLNA FAQ thread as you suggested.

Thanks for pointing me there.
post #335 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rich wu View Post

Has anyone compared a Denon 3800BDCI bluray player to the Oppo 95? I am mostly interested in the video and analog 7.1 output qualities

yes, it would be nice to compare BDP-95 to Denon DVD-3800BDCI in 7.1ch analog. The Denon is exeptional in this area
post #336 of 11017
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Originally Posted by NickS View Post

After four hours of setup and playing with a new BDP-95 I thought that I would share a few very positive first impressions.

The SACD/DVD-A playback quality seems better than I remember with a Denon DVD-5910... very balanced and dynamic sound. Simply exquisite.

Extremely pleased with out of the box performance so far

thanks for your input. What is your set-up (receiver/pre-pro/pre-amp, amp, speakers, etc.,...)?

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Originally Posted by NickS View Post

Click the "About Me" tab in my profile to see my entire system.

I see (your system details):
"Marantz AV-7005 Preamp/Processor, Wyred4Sound STP SE preamplifier, Wyred4Sound 7-channel amplifier, Logitech Touch (Bolder Modded with linear P/S), Eastern Electic DAC, Onix Reference 3/1/100 Speakers (Ninja Master crossovers), OPPO BD-83 player"

Cool, I will be using Marantz AV7005 as well. Trying to get as many impressions directly connecting BDP-95 2ch OUT's into AV7005.
post #337 of 11017
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The mind is a tricky playground. At least it is for me.

Sure most everyone has seen/heard of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN...eature=related

There is only so much you can do. Not sure if I believe in burn-in for devices, but I do believe in infant mortality for electronic devices. So I always run my new equipment continuously for 100 hours before I listen to it. Cycle it frequently there after, and that's about it. At best, it avoids the "me adjusting to the sound" phenomenon and stresses the equipment early. At worst, it bothers the heck out of my family while I'm at work.

Styln
post #338 of 11017
Roger, you're not alone. I had a very similar experience. Since, like another member, I have to change a dozen cables with a flashlight and a mirror, I'm comparing it to the 83SE from memory.
Besides the equipment warming up, sometimes our brain has to adjust to and process the new (unfamiliar) sound. I love the additional information that the 2-channel stereo of the OPPO 95 provides. As a matter of fact, the 7.1 does the same. Since I brought up the 7.1, I'm perplexed with the frequency that comes out from the sub test tone. It seems to be the same frequency that is being sent to the other speakers. Can anybody tell me what's with that? Also, the DB levels are not accurate. My test DVD does a much better job.
Sandro
post #339 of 11017
Does the PCM and DSD SACD setting not make a difference if I am using the balanced XLR outputs into a stereo pre-amp? I was playing a SACD and changed the setting from DSD to PCM and didn't notice any difference in sound. The SACD says it is DSD (one of the Bob Dylan SACD Hybrid cds).

Received the 95 today. Initial impression - definitely sounds better than the 93 when using the stereo analog outs on both. (RCAs on 93 and XLRs on 95, Audioquest Colorado cables on both).

Andy
post #340 of 11017
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Originally Posted by atodzia View Post

Does the PCM and DSD SACD setting not make a difference if I am using the balanced XLR outputs into a stereo pre-amp? I was playing a SACD and changed the setting from DSD to PCM and didn't notice any difference in sound. The SACD says it is DSD (one of the Bob Dylan SACD Hybrid cds).

Received the 95 today. Initial impression - definitely sounds better than the 93 when using the stereo analog outs on both. (RCAs on 93 and XLRs on 95, Audioquest Colorado cables on both).

Andy

If the PCM indicator is still turned on in the front panel display, then your selection of SACD Output DSD has not yet taken effect. See my post earlier in this thread about making sure you don't have an active HDMI connection to a device which can not, itself, accept HDMI DSD input.

That said, it is not a given that switching to DSD will make an audible difference.
--Bob
post #341 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That's just the way HDMI works. The audio stream has to stop and restart, and you need to mute things so that happens cleanly.

The relays provide a mechanical disconnect so it's one less electronic step for the audio to pass through.
--Bob

Bob,

Does this happen in the 93 or 83?
post #342 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Bob,

Does this happen in the 93 or 83?

The muting happens, but the 93 and the 83 use electronics to do it -- not relays.
--Bob
post #343 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The muting happens, but the 93 and the 83 use electronics to do it -- not relays.
--Bob

So the relays make the clicks and why relays? I emailed Oppo with 1080p24 with sacd.
post #344 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rnrmf1971 View Post

My BDP 95 is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

I will be directly comparing it to my Denon 5910ci with regard to sound quality. I will be using the same brand and model of interconnect cables between each player and my pre-amp. I will test both RCA (Denon) vs. XLR (Oppo) and RCA vs. RCA. I will also use the same brand/model power cable on each player. Each will be plugged into a PS Audio Power Plant Premier.

The players will be connected to different inputs on my pre-amp so i can simply switch between inputs to hear the difference in sources. I will mainly focus on cd playback for this evaluation, since i can have identical media in both sources, and listen to the difference instantaneously. I will then check out SACD, and DVD-A. I will also use identical hdcd media to see how the players handle hdcd.
There will be no signal processing anywhere in the chain. Just source to pre-amp to power amp to speakers.

I purchased the Oppo BDP 95 fully expecting it to better my Denon. I will be disappointed if it does not improve upon the Denon and I will likely sell the Oppo. I will be surprised if it doesn't sound better. The Denon 5910ci is a great player, but lacks a little transparency, in my opinion. It has a very analog like presentation, but i have the impression that I can get closer to the performance and hear it as more real. Reviews of the 83SE against big name audio players, one in particular, led me to make this purchase. Someone whose opinion I value did a shoot out between the 83SE and the Mcintosh MCD500 cd/sacd player and found Oppo's playback to be very respectable against the 7x more expensive Mcintosh player. This is the kind of performance I expect from the BDP 95, except even better in the new model.

I look forward to posting my impressions this weekend!

So far, I have a lot of positive to say about the Oppo BDP-95. But can someone explain why some, but not all, hdcd material is output at 6.0 db lower than other material?

I'll be posting more in the near future, but if someone can help answer that, it would be helpful. I'm using the balanced outputs of the Oppo.
post #345 of 11017
The HDMI is connected directly to a new Samsung LCD/LED display. Wouldn't most people who are using this for analog audio connect the HDMI directly to a TV? Does this mean I can never hear what DSD sounds like unless I disconnect the HDMI? (or perhaps just shut off the TV, I haven't tried that)

Andy

I turned off the 95 and disconnected the HDMI cable, powered the 95 up and had a Living Stereo SACD DSD disc in and it said SACD PCM on the display. Then I connected the HDMI cable back and I lost the SACD PCM on the OPPO display but it showed SACD PCM on the TV. Is that a bug (minor, even if it is)? I know earlier when I had the OPPO and the TV on, SACD PCM was displayed on the OPPO display and the TV display.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If the PCM indicator is still turned on in the front panel display, then your selection of SACD Output DSD has not yet taken effect. See my post earlier in this thread about making sure you don't have an active HDMI connection to a device which can not, itself, accept HDMI DSD input.

That said, it is not a given that switching to DSD will make an audible difference.
--Bob
post #346 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

Sure most everyone has seen/heard of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN...eature=related

There is only so much you can do. Not sure if I believe in burn-in for devices, but I do believe in infant mortality for electronic devices. So I always run my new equipment continuously for 100 hours before I listen to it. Cycle it frequently there after, and that's about it. At best, it avoids the "me adjusting to the sound" phenomenon and stresses the equipment early. At worst, it bothers the heck out of my family while I'm at work.

Styln

Thanks for the link ...i listened for the whole hour found itvery informative.
post #347 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

So the relays make the clicks and why relays? I emailed Oppo with 1080p24 with sacd.

Yes, the relays click - same thing in higher end receivers and surround sound processors when you're switching modes. Relays are used for better sound quality.
post #348 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

So the relays make the clicks and why relays? I emailed Oppo with 1080p24 with sacd.

One less set of electronics for the audio to have to get through = better audio. The relays provide a physical disconnect for muting.
--Bob
post #349 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rebop View Post

Sub is carefully tuned with a BFD and a very nice curve. That is not the problem.

More comments when I get home tonight.

Something is not right in your setup, I ran 3 BD's last night 1 DTS HD MA, Ture HD and Dolby Digital all where 5.1.
All speakers set to large, bass on, crossover 80, downmix set to 7.1.
Using 7.1 analog RCA connectors.

I am not ready to comment on my BD-95 yet but I find it hard to believe there is a problem as you are describing with bass over shadowing speech.

ss
post #350 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rnrmf1971 View Post

So far, I have a lot of positive to say about the Oppo BDP-95. But can someone explain why some, but not all, hdcd material is output at 6.0 db lower than other material?

I'll be posting more in the near future, but if someone can help answer that, it would be helpful. I'm using the balanced outputs of the Oppo.

HDCD is SUPPOSED to be -6dB down. That provides headroom for the extra dynamic range that's coded into the format (at the expense of higher noise floor).

That is, if you turn off HDCD decoding (in the player *AND* in the AVR if the AVR also offers it) the disc should play 6dB louder than if the decoding is happening in the player or in the AVR. And of course you also lose the extra dynamic range that's been coded in. I.e., it plays like a regular CD.

If there's NO change, then the disc you are playing is in fact a regular CD, and not an HDCD.

If you mean that not all discs have been authored to use the same reference level, well that's true about every format. Some audio engineers just like to make things louder.
--Bob
post #351 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rnrmf1971 View Post

So far, I have a lot of positive to say about the Oppo BDP-95. But can someone explain why some, but not all, hdcd material is output at 6.0 db lower than other material?

I'll be posting more in the near future, but if someone can help answer that, it would be helpful. I'm using the balanced outputs of the Oppo.

Here is a wikipedia excerpt on this topic:

HDCD encodes the equivalent of 20-bits worth of data in a 16-bit digital audio signal by using custom dithering, audio filters, and some reversible amplitude and gain encoding; Peak Extend, which is a reversible soft limiter and Low Level Range Extend, which is a reversible gain on low-level signals. There is thus a benefit at the expense of a very minor increase in noise.

HDCD encoding places a control signal in the least significant bit of a small subset of the 16-bit Red Book audio samples (a technique known as in-band signaling). The HDCD decoder in the consumer's CD / DVD player, or in some cases audio receiver, if present, responds to the signal. If no decoder is present, the disc will be played as a regular CD.

In itself, the use of the first bit in the dithered least significant bit stream will degrade the sound quality on a non-HDCD player by decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio but only by a minuscule amount. HDCD Peak Extension, if chosen in HDCD mastering, will apply compression to the peaks which will be audible in playback on a non-HDCD system which does not apply the appropriate expansion curve.

HDCD provides several digital features, which the audio mastering engineer controls at his/her own discretion. They include

Dynamic range compression and expansion, with which virtually 4 more bits of dynamic range can be added to the musical signal.
Precision digital interpolation filtering with multiple modes of operation, which can reduce alias distortion and temporal smearing, resulting in a more natural, open, and accurate sound reproduction
.


As explained above, HDCD encoded material turns 16-bit encoded data into actual 20-bit material with the additon of 4 extra bits. I believe they record it -6db lower to avoid clipping, thus allowing for the extra dynamic range afforded by the 20-bit headroom.
post #352 of 11017
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Originally Posted by atodzia View Post

The HDMI is connected directly to a new Samsung LCD/LED display. Wouldn't most people who are using this for analog audio connect the HDMI directly to a TV? Does this mean I can never hear what DSD sounds like unless I disconnect the HDMI? (or perhaps just shut off the TV, I haven't tried that)

Andy

I turned off the 95 and disconnected the HDMI cable, powered the 95 up and had a Living Stereo SACD DSD disc in and it said SACD PCM on the display. Then I connected the HDMI cable back and I lost the SACD PCM on the OPPO display but it showed SACD PCM on the TV. Is that a bug (minor, even if it is)? I know earlier when I had the OPPO and the TV on, SACD PCM was displayed on the OPPO display and the TV display.

The simplest answer is to switch the TV to a different input or shut it off. With some TVs you will have to switch to a different input BEFORE you shut the TV off as they keep their last HDMI input active even when they are "off".
--Bob
post #353 of 11017
When I stick in a SACD disc my player displays SACD PCM on the player display for a short time and then the SACD PCM goes away. Is this normal?
post #354 of 11017
Also, remember you have to set SACD Output DSD as well to enable DSD.

In some cases I've found you have to power cycle after making that setting change for it to take effect. You only have to do this once -- i.e., after making the setting change.

From that point on, as long as you don't happen to have an active HDMI connection at the moment (either output) to a device that can not, itself, accept HDMI DSD as input, SACD playback will switch to using DSD. The switch will happen on the fly if you change your HDMI devices on the fly.
--Bob
post #355 of 11017
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Originally Posted by atodzia View Post

When I stick in a SACD disc my player displays SACD PCM on the player display for a short time and then the SACD PCM goes away. Is this normal?

Yes. It will start out with PCM until it determines it is safe to switch to DSD (presuming you have asked for DSD). Basically there is an HDMI handshake delay for each HDMI output.

When the PCM light goes out on the front panel display (SACD light still on), you know you've got SACD DSD active.
--Bob
post #356 of 11017
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yes, the relays click - same thing in higher end receivers and surround sound processors when you're switching modes. Relays are used for better sound quality.

What is a relay?
post #357 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

HDCD is SUPPOSED to be -6dB down. That provides headroom for the extra dynamic range that's coded into the format (at the expense of higher noise floor).

That is, if you turn off HDCD decoding (in the player *AND* in the AVR if the AVR also offers it) the disc should play 6dB louder than if the decoding is happening in the player or in the AVR. And of course you also lose the extra dynamic range that's been coded in. I.e., it plays like a regular CD.

If there's NO change, then the disc you are playing is in fact a regular CD, and not an HDCD.

If you mean that not all discs have been authored to use the same reference level, well that's true about every format. Some audio engineers just like to make things louder.
--Bob

The thing is, not all discs that encoded with, and displaying hdcd are being handled the same by the Denon and Oppo.

I've level matched my Denon and Oppo on my pre-amp so as to compare the 2 players on equal ground. Non hdcd discs play back at the same volume. Some hdcd discs play back at the same volume (and are displaying hdcd on both displays). Some hdcd discs play -6 db down in the Oppo, but not the Denon (and both display hdcd on the displays).

Does this make sense?


When
post #358 of 11017
First impressions...

It was so easy to setup and connect the 95. I liked that the user interface was so similar to my 83, so it was easy to navigate through all the setup options and configure everything very quickly. I started with basically the same setup options I used for the 83. I was able to connect to the internet (wired connection to my router); a check for firmware upgrades was super quick, and, as expected, showed that my Oppo was up to date.

For movies, I'm running from HDMI 1 to my projector, and from HDMI 2 to my receiver for audio. For SACD listening, I'm using the 'audio out' 5.1 connections. Yeah, I know this may not be the most appropriate technical terminology like you guys would use, but it's the level of detail I understand!

I've had the 95 running for about 6 hours now and here are my initial impressions.

Picture quality: wow. Mind-boggling. I thought the 83 was really good (and it was) but the 95 is far better. I guess I'll attribute it mostly to the video processor, although hopefully the dedicated video connection to the projector adds value. But whatever the reason, I can tell a big difference from the 83. I sampled scenes from Monsters Inc, Up, Star Trek (2009), X-Men, and a few other movies (all blu-ray). The level of detail was astounding, especially with the Pixar movies. I'm incredibly happy with the PQ. Tomorrow I'll have to watch Avatar again; it's bound to look wonderful.

I have not tried any standard DVDs yet. I'm not interested in 3D, nor do I have any other 3D-compatible components, so I won't be testing that. And I don't plan to stream movies from Netflix or anywhere else.

Audio: it is just so hard to describe what we hear. It's just so subjective. But here goes my feeble attempt. I think the human voice is the most difficult instrument to reproduce well. So I started with 'a cappella' performances, including an SACD called 'Music for Compline' by a group called stile antico, an ensemble of 13 British singers performing music from the 16th and 17th century. The best I can describe my impression while listening to this SACD was 'pure' and 'clean'. NOTHING got in the way of the music. I loved this SACD before, but now, it's beyond gorgeous.

Next I pulled out an old warhorse, Handel's Messiah, on SACD from harmonia mundi, directed by Rene Jacobs. The clarity was astounding. I've heard the overture more times than I can count, but never like this. Every instrument was present and accounted for. Instrumentals, solos, and choral selections were all gorgeous.

Next was Camille Saint-Saens Symphony no. 3 ("Organ"). Again, very clear, even all the crazy piano runs that often get overshadowed by the rest of the orchestra. If you're looking for something to rattle the rafters, the "Maestoso" movement, where the organ really kicks in, is a good one. I confess I did not crank it up as loud as I would have liked... my husband was trying to work in his office down the hall, poor guy...

Then for something completely different, I tried some selections from Bonnie Raitt, a studio recording (not a live performance). I felt like I was right there in the studio.

When I tried an older CD, I found it unlistenable (is that a word?)... I was hearing stuff I did not want to hear.... is the Oppo TOO GOOD, highlighting all the noise, etc. on that old CD? (insert winking smiley face here) Hopefully only that one disc was awful... I'll try some others tomorrow. I'm not saying the Oppo was doing anything wrong; I'm just saying I heard garbage that had been on that disk for who knows how long, maybe forever, but I had not noticed it before.

I don't have any DVD-Audio disks so I can't comment on that medium.

If you are looking for a fat, fluffy sound that wraps you in a blanket, the Oppo 95 may not be for you. But if you're looking for clean, clear, precise, pure audio and video, you might just love it. So far, I'm thrilled.

If I can get the camera set up tomorrow, I'll try to get some good screen shots showing the impressive level of detail in scenes from Monsters Inc or Up.

And now, back to the 95!
post #359 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rnrmf1971 View Post

The thing is, not all discs that encoded with, and displaying hdcd are being handled the same by the Denon and Oppo.

I've level matched my Denon and Oppo on my pre-amp so as to compare the 2 players on equal ground. Non hdcd discs play back at the same volume. Some hdcd discs play back at the same volume (and are displaying hdcd on both displays). Some hdcd discs play -6 db down in the Oppo, but not the Denon (and both display hdcd on the displays).

Does this make sense?


When

Nope. Something is wrong. Sounds like the Denon is not properly handling the HDCD decode on some discs. But it may be something else.

Does your pre-amp do HDCD decoding itself? If so, then you want to turn HDCD decoding in the Oppo OFF. It should be done in the pre-amp.

If your pre-amp does *NOT* offer HDCD decoding then compare the output from the Oppo with HDCD Decoding ON vs. OFF. The output should be 6dB down for ON in every case, if you are actually playing an HDCD disc.
--Bob
post #360 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

What is a relay?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relay

-Bill
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