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post #6181 of 11017
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

Foobar (with Upnp plugin) --> DLNA (wired ethernet) ---> OPPO is very reliable and can handle flac/wav perfectly.

Question: when you HDMI from your laptop to the receiver, does your laptop downsample before sending over HDMI? if you use foobar for this, you need to add and configure the WASAPI output support to ensure the HDMI exactly streams the original wav format.

Is this necessary for any connection whether its HDMI or not when playing through foobar? Do you know if media monkey does this too? Thank u
post #6182 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

Is this necessary for any connection whether its HDMI or not when playing through foobar? Do you know if media monkey does this too? Thank u

I haven't used media monkey. Here is some info. on cofig. I used with Win7, HDMI and my sound card: HDMI Audio from Dell Studio 1558 Laptop to Pioneer VSX-9140TXH Receiver. It discusses what happens with WMP 12 playback where only "shared" mode is available where the bit-depth and sampling rate are fixed by the user (not automatically by the source), and playback with foobar where WAPAPI "exclusive" mode is available, for bit-perfect HDMI playback (last paragraph) as per the original content's bit-depth/sample rate. Links for further info. at bottom of that page.

A Good Description of WASAPI and Shared vs. Exclusive mode.
post #6183 of 11017
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

Yet MORE marks for the 95
And regarding ultra-low frequency response, let's not forget that in a few years, with full inner-ear reconstruction and bio-engineering, we will have ears which can ACTUALLY hear down to 1 Hz .. wiiiiiiiish ~ woooosh!

Wait... Your hearing hearing does'nt go down to DC ? Oww, I must have been thinking too hard & the brain fart vibrations are making my head hurt !!! (who says we spend to much time at our "equipment" hobby ?)
post #6184 of 11017
This isn't a big deal but I noticed that USB playback does not support QUAD wav files (it skips over them, at least the ones I tried). Stereo, 5.1, (7.1 might have issue ... see below).
post #6185 of 11017
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

This isn't a big deal but I noticed that USB playback does not support QUAD wav files (it skips over them, at least the ones I tried). Stereo, 5.1 and 7.1 of course playback properly.

Do you prefer USB playback to DLNA?
post #6186 of 11017
Has anyone noticed any 7.1 channel "mix-up" in the MC outputs?
My testing:
Source: 7.1 PCM wav file with separate tone in each of FL, FR, C, Sub, SL, SR, SBL, SBR
This wav plays back through proper "channels" using other software players (e.g. Nero, Creative MediaPlayer etc.)

MC settings: down-mix mode 7.1 (so there is no downmixing) all speakers at LARGE; all trims at zero;

When I playback the file (USB), many of the channels (as measured on the MC analog outputs with scope) are not correct.

I checked and 5.1 wav PCM is fine wrt correct channels being used.
I will send my sample 7.1 wav file to OPPO.
post #6187 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

Do you prefer USB playback to DLNA?

I prefer disc playback, USB second favorite, DLNA 3rd
post #6188 of 11017
So... There's no way to play back music files on a USB thumb drive without a video monitor connected to the player, right? I loaded a 16g thumb drive with Hi Rez music files (24bit/88.2Khz to 24bit/192khz) but I was'nt that impressed with the playback sound . For some reason the music did'nt sound nearly as detailed as the same files burned to DVD-A & played back on disc. I'll have to try it again as maybe the player or my tube headphone amp were'nt warmed up enough. I'll give it another try & see what I think this time. It's not that big a deal as all my optical media (SACD,my burned DVD-As & CDs) are sounding very nice. It's just that a USB drive is convient sometimes when I'm being lazy or late at night when I don't feel like getting up to change a disc.
post #6189 of 11017
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

Has anyone noticed any 7.1 channel "mix-up" in the MC outputs?
My testing:
Source: 7.1 PCM wav file with separate tone in each of FL, FR, C, Sub, SL, SR, SBL, SBR
This wav plays back through proper "channels" using other software players (e.g. Nero, Creative MediaPlayer etc.)

MC settings: down-mix mode 7.1 (so there is no downmixing) all speakers at LARGE; all trims at zero;

When I playback the file (USB), many of the channels (as measured on the MC analog outputs with scope) are not correct.

I checked and 5.1 wav PCM is fine wrt correct channels being used.
I will send my sample 7.1 wav file to OPPO.

I've only seen this occur with DTS files. The DTS specifications require that the player use the number of channels the DownMix is set to when the player is decoding, and not the number of channels the original source material is.

So if the source file is DTS 5.1, and the DownMix is set to 7.1, then the player will output a 7.1 signal over the analog outputs.

As far as I know, the player only supports 5.1 WAV, and not 7.1. It is possible that the incompatibility with your soundtrack is causing the player to do incorrect speaker matrixing.
post #6190 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

You might try setting the player to output RGB Video Level instead of YCbCr 4:4:4. If you see no quality difference then that's a simple workaround which may keep your display happier as regards the HDMI handshake.

Also, if the problem goes away when you set the player to 1080i (not 1080p) with Deep Color OFF, then that suggests a bandwidth problem which can often be fixed by upgrading your HDMI cables. If you have an AVR in the middle, then the HDMI cables on either side if it could be the culprit.
--Bob

Hi.

So I spent a bit of time this weekend going through all the possible settings, and no matter what I chose, the player would still startup with the pink screen (I tried all the YUV and RGB options, plus all the HDMI black levels).
HDMI2 didn't have any of those issues.
What I did notice though, was that when I get the pink screen, the "HDMI1" icon on the player is not lit up.

Again, powering off the player, then on again, will show everything as normal.

I'm at a loss, cause once it's working, it's fantastic, and I really hope its not an issue with the player, 'cause having to send it back to Oppo will leave me without it, and then I'll be sad
post #6191 of 11017
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Originally Posted by lordvader View Post


Hi.

So I spent a bit of time this weekend going through all the possible settings, and no matter what I chose, the player would still startup with the pink screen (I tried all the YUV and RGB options, plus all the HDMI black levels).
HDMI2 didn't have any of those issues.
What I did notice though, was that when I get the pink screen, the "HDMI1" icon on the player is not lit up.

Again, powering off the player, then on again, will show everything as normal.

I'm at a loss, cause once it's working, it's fantastic, and I really hope its not an issue with the player, 'cause having to send it back to Oppo will leave me without it, and then I'll be sad

Did you try switching the HDMI cables between 1 and 2?
post #6192 of 11017
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Originally Posted by ksubrama View Post

Did you try switching the HDMI cables between 1 and 2?

Physically unplugging and replugging the cable is fine. It's just on that initial powerup.
post #6193 of 11017
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Originally Posted by lordvader View Post


Physically unplugging and replugging the cable is fine. It's just on that initial powerup.

Sure. Just wondering if it could be a cable specific issue since you said HDMI 2 was fine.
post #6194 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

I've only seen this occur with DTS files. The DTS specifications require that the player use the number of channels the DownMix is set to when the player is decoding, and not the number of channels the original source material is.

So if the source file is DTS 5.1, and the DownMix is set to 7.1, then the player will output a 7.1 signal over the analog outputs.

As far as I know, the player only supports 5.1 WAV, and not 7.1. It is possible that the incompatibility with your soundtrack is causing the player to do incorrect speaker matrixing.

OPPO have responded and indicated that the player has only been tested against stereo and 5.1 WAV files, but they might try to include other wav formats in a future firmware update. Upon request, I have sent them the QUAD and 7.1 wav samples I used for testing.
Since the "soundtrack" here is a very basic RIFF wav file (which I synthesized) with proper channel interleaving and header for 7.1 (very similar to 5.1) it is almost certainly a 7.1 interleave/decoding issue with the 95.
post #6195 of 11017
For those who are only interested in STEREO audio playback, there are 3 choices: dedicated stereo outs, XLR outs and MC FL/FR which are available simultaneously. But wait, what about those other 2 unused analog MC channel pairs (SL/SR and SBL/SBR). One interesting capability (not presently available) would be to electronically switch the FL/FR stereo content to SL/SR or SBL/SBR if you have a complex situation with several amplifiers say and don't want to manually switch cables. I dont know if the chipset design would allow this in firmware.
However another interesting possibility is to start with a stereo wav file (say) and then create a 7.1 wav file with content in the SL/SR and SBL/SBR channels that is identical to the FL/FR (the content of C and LFE channels doesn't matter if the speakers are set at LARGE). This is easy to do.

Result: 5 simultaneious outputs with the identical stereo content:
Dedicated Stereo FL/FR
XLR FL/FR
MC FL/FR
MC SL/SR
MC SBL/SBR
post #6196 of 11017
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Originally Posted by lordvader View Post

Physically unplugging and replugging the cable is fine. It's just on that initial powerup.

Here is a recent experience I had. Blu-ray discs I had played fine on HDMI 1. Then one day i went and bought the john adams hbo series blu-ray. The oppo on hdmi1 was just showing a blue screen every time i tried to play it (dvds and cds were fine). When i switched to HDMi 2 the john adams blu-ray played no problem. I thought something was wrong with the player and was really worried. I had a common "rohs ceritfied" cable that many AV installers use and worked well on all other blu-ray discs, dvds etc. I switched the cable out, put in a higher end cable i had into HDMI 1 and the John Adams played fine. It was the cable! My installer contacted Oppo for me and think he said that oppo made reference to some copyright issues with that particular/certain blu-ray's (??). Not really sure and did not follow up but something is going on with certain hdmi cables and copyright protection built into certain blu-ray discs (??). I'm not quite sure but am interested to know what is going on. Thought I would share and this just happened a couple of weeks ago.
post #6197 of 11017
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

For those who are only interested in STEREO audio playback, there are 3 choices: dedicated stereo outs, XLR outs and MC FL/FR which are available simultaneously.

Are you only talking analog?
Cause there's a lot more than 3 stereo outs.
2 HDMI
+
2 Digital [coax & optical]

There are seven ways too get two channel audio out of the 95.
post #6198 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

Not really sure and did not follow up but something is going on with certain hdmi cables and copyright protection built into certain blu-ray discs (??). I'm not quite sure but am interested to know what is going on. Thought I would share and this just happened a couple of weeks ago.

Most likely this is a simple reference to HDCP. HDCP handshakes can fail, and this is sometimes a symptom of a faulty cable, (low bandwidth). Normally a failed HDCP handshake results in black screen, but anything is possible with some combinations of connected gear.
post #6199 of 11017
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

For those who are only interested in STEREO audio playback, there are 3 choices: dedicated stereo outs, XLR outs and MC FL/FR which are available simultaneously. But wait, what about those other 2 unused analog MC channel pairs (SL/SR and SBL/SBR). One interesting capability (not presently available) would be to electronically switch the FL/FR stereo content to SL/SR or SBL/SBR if you have a complex situation with several amplifiers say and don't want to manually switch cables. I dont know if the chipset design would allow this in firmware.
However another interesting possibility is to start with a stereo wav file (say) and then create a 7.1 wav file with content in the SL/SR and SBL/SBR channels that is identical to the FL/FR (the content of C and LFE channels doesn't matter if the speakers are set at LARGE). This is easy to do.

Result: 5 simultaneious outputs with the identical stereo content:
Dedicated Stereo FL/FR
XLR FL/FR
MC FL/FR
MC SL/SR
MC SBL/SBR

My pre-pro (Anthem D2v) can do this using an option called "All channel stereo" .

BTW been following your headphone amp circuits with amusement Keep up the good work!
post #6200 of 11017
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Originally Posted by lordvader View Post

Hi.

So I spent a bit of time this weekend going through all the possible settings, and no matter what I chose, the player would still startup with the pink screen

As a diagnostic, have you tried varying the order each device is powered on? For example: display first, player last?

Are you going through a switch or receiver? When you have a pink screen, does switching off of HDMI1 and then back again have any affect?

-Bill
post #6201 of 11017
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

Are you only talking analog?
Cause there's a lot more than 3 stereo outs.
2 HDMI
+
2 Digital [coax & optical]

There are seven ways too get two channel audio out of the 95.

whoops, yes I meant ANALOG! (I was thinking multiple older amps with analog input only) . .OR .... extra headphone outputs
post #6202 of 11017
I just tried to play video_TS files from my USB drive thats connected to back of the oppo. It comes up blank, it shows the video ts folder but not the files. These play fine from computer directly through the receiver but dont like that because the receiver dacs are inferior to the oppos. I powered down oppo and unlugged the drive and still nothing. Its a new western digital drive. Cool, one more thing to tweak
post #6203 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

I just tried to play video_TS files from my USB drive thats connected to back of the oppo. It comes up blank, it shows the video ts folder but not the files. These play fine from computer directly through the receiver but dont like that because the receiver dacs are inferior to the oppos. I powered down oppo and unlugged the drive and still nothing. Its a new western digital drive. Cool, one more thing to tweak


The player does not recognize VIDEO_TS directory structure as such, but it should see and play individual VOB files. Make sure you are using the Video section of the browser, not Photos or Music.

-Bill
post #6204 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The player does not recognize VIDEO_TS directory structure as such, but it should see and play individual VOB files. Make sure you are using the Video section of the browser, not Photos or Music.

-Bill

in addition, since the 95 supports iso image files, you could also write the entire VIDEO_TS folder to an iso image file (of a DVD-Video) and that iso image file will play back properly via media playback (same with iso image files of DVD-A discs). As above you access them via the Video section of the browser.
post #6205 of 11017
So I had another play.
Order doesn't matter. I always have the display on first, but player first doesn't make a difference either, as does switching inputs.

I did notice that I don't get the pink screen if I switch inputs while the oppo is still saying "hello" (so I have a 2-3 second window).

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

As a diagnostic, have you tried varying the order each device is powered on? For example: display first, player last?

Are you going through a switch or receiver? When you have a pink screen, does switching off of HDMI1 and then back again have any affect?

-Bill
post #6206 of 11017
do any of you have a set strategy for listening mode for each source? I have them all at "last active" at the moment. I thought maybe dvd player would get direct mode and am not sure about the others.
post #6207 of 11017
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Originally Posted by lordvader View Post

So I had another play.
Order doesn't matter. I always have the display on first, but player first doesn't make a difference either, as does switching inputs.

I did notice that I don't get the pink screen if I switch inputs while the oppo is still saying "hello" (so I have a 2-3 second window).

You havent confirmed yet as asked by Bill and Bob afaik whether this is direct to the display and not passthroughed an avr ?
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as does switching inputs.

wouldnt expect so unless the implication is switching in an avr?

I sometimes get a pink screen when I switch throughput on my matrix switcher from 108p/24 to 1080i/50 but this stabilises when I turn other hdmi sources off as the conflicting edids conflict

If possible I would borrow another 1080p/24 source player and see if the samsung plays nicely with its edid if you havent allready..

Lotus;some people prefer not to mess with the original audio mixers intent so leave dsp modes off ; others appreciate say PL2X for better ambience depending on room size etc Best to try yourself to see what you like ;new modes like dts neo x may be to your liking especially if neo x encoded discs start to turn up
post #6208 of 11017
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

You havent confirmed yet as asked by Bill and Bob afaik whether this is direct to the display and not passthroughed an avr ?
wouldnt expect so unless the implication is switching in an avr?

Whoops ! No, it's a direct connection to the TV.

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If possible I would borrow another 1080p/24 source player and see if the samsung plays nicely with its edid if you havent allready..

Actually, my previous player was a Pioneer 51fd, which worked fine, and I also have a Dvico 6500 media jukebox, that also output 1080p/24 just fine.

The Oppo is the first device I've encountered these issues with. I can work around it, on the proviso that I switch inputs quick enough (which I can do with the Hamony One remote).

Is it worth raising this issue with Oppo directly though, or is it known ? Others seem to have similar issues ... (been reading the BDP-93 thread)
post #6209 of 11017
The OPPO powers up in RGB and then loads and switches to your choice of video settings. It sounds like your display is having trouble making the switch.

Set Video Setup > Primary Output to the HDMI output you have going to the display.

Set Resolution to 1080i.

Set HDMI > Color Space to RGB Video Level for the output going to the display.

Set HDMI > Deep Color OFF for the output going to the display.

NOTE: HDMI 1 is the connector towards the middle of the back panel. Check you are using the output you think you are using.

Set HDMI Audio LPCM.

Set Device Setup > HDMI CEC OFF.

Set 3D Mode OFF.

Set 1080p/24 OFF.

All if these settings are intended to simplify the handshake.

Now go to your display and look at the settings for the HDMI input you are using. Look for a setting that controls the expected input data format (color space). That should be set to Auto -- not to some explicit choice such as RGB.

If you also have HDMI from the AVR to the TV, disconnect that for this test.

If your TV supports HDMI CEC control functions, turn that off.

Test to see if things are working properly. If not, you'll likely need to call OPPO tech support to continue diagnosing this.

If things are working properly, then restore your preferred setup one item at a time until you find the culprit.
--Bob
post #6210 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The OPPO powers up in RGB and then loads and switches to your choice of video settings. It sounds like your display is having trouble making the switch.

Set Video Setup > Primary Output to the HDMI output you have going to the display.

Set Resolution to 1080i.

Set HDMI > Color Space to RGB Video Level for the output going to the display.

Set HDMI > Deep Color OFF for the output going to the display.

NOTE: HDMI 1 is the connector towards the middle of the back panel. Check you are using the output you think you are using.

Set HDMI Audio LPCM.

Set Device Setup > HDMI CEC OFF.

Set 3D Mode OFF.

Set 1080p/24 OFF.

All if these settings are intended to simplify the handshake.

Now go to your display and look at the settings for the HDMI input you are using. Look for a setting that controls the expected input data format (color space). That should be set to Auto -- not to some explicit choice such as RGB.

If you also have HDMI from the AVR to the TV, disconnect that for this test.

If your TV supports HDMI CEC control functions, turn that off.

Test to see if things are working properly. If not, you'll likely need to call OPPO tech support to continue diagnosing this.

If things are working properly, then restore your preferred setup one item at a time until you find the culprit.
--Bob

Nup
Pink screen persists. Time to say hi to Oppo !

Thanks for all the help though !
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