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post #6361 of 10456
Swanlee,

See if you can get a friend to help you do some blind tests. It might be revealing.

It is near impossible to remove the biases that can influence perception when we know what we're hearing. I don't doubt that they sound different, but that difference may disappear (or appear to remain) when you hear a song three times in a row with no knowledge of whether it is FLAC or disc.

No agenda here. Fun test.
post #6362 of 10456
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

Sorry, but no comprende'

Be sure to stop and remove disc from player.
post #6363 of 10456
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

Thanks for the links. Interesting discussion in 2nd link under Hasn't Loudness Correction Been Around for Years?
I had been thinking more retro, along the lines of the Continuously Variable Loudness (analog) Control on my 1987 Yamaha AX-900U amplifier.
My (not quite audiophile quality) Pioneer VSX-9140TXH has a LOUDNESS setting (disabled by default). I assume this is a digital compensation (only ON/OFF) and not the same as the Audyssey dynamic-eq. So do audio-purists really go for that dynamic-eq? or just uses a nominally fixed high listening level and don't use any EQ?

Not sure about your pio ;it could be a late night listening mode as a lot of avr's have for when you turn it down for the sake of the neighbours. Some bd's have flags incorrectly set that activate this dynamic range reduction.My cary 11a needed a firmware upgrade for the dark night iirc

Ime not the one to ask unfortunately as my cary eschews all these signal manipulations ; its room eq cant be applied to decoded ddtruehd/dts hdma -only lpcm and analog that goes through a/d conversion[ in other words music signals only]; says a lot for carys stance on this and one reason I bought it

Continuously variable was something I once wanted; my yamaha cr240 receiver only had a fixed on/off effort ;entry level was the nice description that has gone by the wayside Would be good to hear from other 95 owners using analog whether low db's is a factor to them..
post #6364 of 10456
Just ordered the 95. I'm not real interested in DNLA streaming or hard drive music. What program(s) are y'all using to burn flac/wav downloads to cd/dvd discs? Thanks.
post #6365 of 10456
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Originally Posted by hikinokie View Post

Just ordered the 95. I'm not real interested in DNLA streaming or hard drive music. What program(s) are y'all using to burn flac/wav downloads to cd/dvd discs? Thanks.

Those will be just normal data discs. Any backup software should work.

-Bill
post #6366 of 10456
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Originally Posted by hikinokie View Post

Thanks Neuro. Don't know if could read that from 10 ft. away but it's pretty nifty.

Regarding 7" LCD compos. video monitor, let's put it this way: if you can read a 43" monitor comfortably from say 12' away, the 7" compact monitor (1/6 size) would have similar reading capability at about 2' distance. With my 7" Haier, depending on the size of navigation menus etc, and if you have 20/20 vision, you can read at max. ~ 4' distance.
So 3' distance is a good bet ... so fairly close and intimate.
post #6367 of 10456
I tried to play a video clip and got following error:
"Your device is not authorized to play this DivX protected video"

But my device is already registered under the option "DivX VOD DRM"?

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http://www.sa-cd.net/library/7548
post #6368 of 10456
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

Not sure about your pio ;it could be a late night listening mode as a lot of avr's have for when you turn it down for the sake of the neighbours. Some bd's have flags incorrectly set that activate this dynamic range reduction.My cary 11a needed a firmware upgrade for the dark night iirc

Ime not the one to ask unfortunately as my cary eschews all these signal manipulations ; its room eq cant be applied to decoded ddtruehd/dts hdma -only lpcm and analog that goes through a/d conversion[ in other words music signals only]; says a lot for carys stance on this and one reason I bought it

Continuously variable was something I once wanted; my yamaha cr240 receiver only had a fixed on/off effort ;entry level was the nice description that has gone by the wayside Would be good to hear from other 95 owners using analog whether low db's is a factor to them..

Yes my VSX-9140TXH has a combined Midnight/Loudness switch (on or off).

Here is what Yamaha had to say (including the response curves) for the continuously variable loudness control.
OK I'm getting too far off 95 topics.
post #6369 of 10456
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

Yes my VSX-9140TXH has a combined Midnight/Loudness switch (on or off).

Here is what Yamaha had to say (including the response curves) for the continuously variable loudness control.
OK I'm getting too far off 95 topics.

Oh that brings back memories of graphic equalisers with adjustable q . Rather clever to produce a tailored midrange 'suckout' as the volume decreased

Interesting that some brands use parametric eq for rooms to this day Absolutely thinking the same btw; were straying of the straight and narrow a bit ;best to leave it before I start rambling..
post #6370 of 10456
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

Oh that brings back memories of graphic equalisers with adjustable q . Rather clever to produce a tailored midrange 'suckout' as the volume decreased
..

and not "a bit of digital noise" in that oh-so-smooth loudness control ... but as we both declared, we digress. End of discussion
post #6371 of 10456
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Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post

Be sure to stop and remove disc from player.

I didnt think I had a disc in.

If I am runnung HDMI for video and hi-def audio (DTS-MA), how important is the level setting for each speaker in the Oppo menu? Or is that meant more for the multi-channel audio thru the analog out?
post #6372 of 10456
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post


I didnt think I had a disc in.

If I am runnung HDMI for video and hi-def audio (DTS-MA), how important is the level setting for each speaker in the Oppo menu? Or is that meant more for the multi-channel audio thru the analog out?

The Speaker Configuration settings, including the Volume trims, ONLY affect the multi-channel Analog audio outputs.

If you are using HDMI for audio, those settings and test tones have no effect. Use the speaker volume trim settings in your AVR instead.
--Bob
post #6373 of 10456
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Originally Posted by hikinokie View Post

Just ordered the 95. I'm not real interested in DNLA streaming or hard drive music. What program(s) are y'all using to burn flac/wav downloads to cd/dvd discs? Thanks.

For 24/96 files I use Lplex to create DVD music discs (basically DAD discs). I have also used DVDA-Author to create DVD-A audio-only discs. Both programs are free but DVDA-Author is cryptic and took a bit to figure out.
post #6374 of 10456
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

I didnt think I had a disc in.

If I am runnung HDMI for video and hi-def audio (DTS-MA), how important is the level setting for each speaker in the Oppo menu? Or is that meant more for the multi-channel audio thru the analog out?



Tried it again, no disc in the tray. I cannot get the test tones to go on.
post #6375 of 10456
Disc or no disc, if you are not using the multichannel analog outs on the Oppo, you will not hear test tones and any settings you change here will do nothing.

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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

Tried it again, no disc in the tray. I cannot get the test tones to go on.
post #6376 of 10456
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Originally Posted by mfrizzzz View Post

I'm still tyring to figure out how this sounds better than my Cabridge Azur 840c. In my system, the only thing I can think is that the digital signal through the HDMI chord is doing much more in the Classe controller and my ML speakers, than the analog signal I was getting through the balanced outputs in the Cambridge. I sunk $1800 into the Cambridge, which reviewers said delivered the sound quality of players 3 and 4 times its price. If it is an option, maybe try listening to music through the HDMI output of the Oppo?

????
Your not using the balanced outs of the Oppo?!?!
If not, your missing "out"!!!

You can "listen" too the 95 via HDMI.
Butt why would you. Everyone going HDMI out should buy the 93.

Times change. BIG time in audio. Especially digital audio.
What's killer five yrs ago is a joke today. HiEnd three yrs old is just OK today.

Also there's just the basic fact that humans are different.
Some people actually think White Zin is the best wine in the world.
If you don't like the sound of the Cambridge as much as the Oppo...
then you don't like the sound of the Cambridge as much a the Oppo!
Simple.

As well as Cambridge has more of a British Sound (chamber & classical) & the Oppo more American Sound (loud & popular)*.

* this is just a general generalization/don't Freak Out!!
post #6377 of 10456
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

????
Your not using the balanced outs of the Oppo?!?!
If not, your missing "out"!!!

You can "listen" too the 95 via HDMI.
Butt why would you. Everyone going HDMI out should buy the 93.

Times change. BIG time in audio. Especially digital audio.
What's killer five yrs ago is a joke today. HiEnd three yrs old is just OK today.

Also there's just the basic fact that humans are different.
Some people actually think White Zin is the best wine in the world.
If you don't like the sound of the Cambridge as much as the Oppo...
then you don't like the sound of the Cambridge as much a the Oppo!
Simple.

As well as Cambridge has more of a British Sound (chamber & classical) & the Oppo more American Sound (loud & popular)*.

* this is just a general generalization/don't Freak Out!!

I'm kind of curious if the Cambridge would sound better via a digital connection to his Classe CT-SSP .

mfrizzzz - if you plan to only use the HDMI connections and have no need for the analog connections, trade your 95 in for a 93 and save yourself $500. For HDMI, the 2 players will give identical performance.
post #6378 of 10456
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

Tried it again, no disc in the tray. I cannot get the test tones to go on.

Are using the MCH analog output of the 95 to the MCH analog input of your AVR/prepro? If you are have you selected the MCH analog input of your AVR/prepo? If you have it set to HDMI you will not output the test tones.

Bill
post #6379 of 10456
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

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Your not using the balanced outs of the Oppo?!?!
If not, your missing "out"!!!
...

I suspect very very few will ever notice any difference between using the XLR balanced outputs and the dedicated stereo-outs. Balanced outputs are intended to cancel out (with a differential amp input) common-mode (CM) noise on the hot-cold (go/return) lines. XLR is useful for long cable runs and with low signal levels (e.g. a few mV, for example from mics). For typical cable runs (say 10' or less) in home audio, the residual CM noise will be extremely small (relative to the 2Vrms line-level) so using RCA unbalanced outputs will be essentially identical to XLR wrt noise performance.

So this means that if your pres/amps DON'T have XLR inputs, you can just use the XLR 95 outputs with a simple XLR-to-unbalanced RCA adapter cable (or easily wire your own) to have another superb high-quality analog stereo output with essentially identical performance to the 95 dedicated stereo RCA outs.
post #6380 of 10456
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post


I suspect very very few will ever notice any difference between using the XLR balanced outputs and the dedicated stereo-outs. Balanced outputs are intended to cancel out (with a differential amp input) common-mode (CM) noise on the hot-cold (go/return) lines. XLR is useful for long cable runs and with low signal levels (e.g. a few mV, for example from mics). For typical cable runs (say 10' or less) in home audio, the residual CM noise will be extremely small (relative to the 2Vrms line-level) so using RCA unbalanced outputs will be essentially identical to XLR wrt noise performance.

So this means that if your pres/amps DON'T have XLR inputs, you can just use the XLR 95 outputs with a simple XLR-to-unbalanced RCA adapter cable (or easily wire your own) to have another superb high-quality analog stereo output with essentially identical performance to the 95 dedicated stereo RCA outs.

+1 Neutron77. I'm using premium Monoprice XLR Female - RCA Male cable ($7 for 6 ft cable, no adapters here), and the AQ is marginally better than my audioquest RCAs from my Oppo. XLR out is definitely a hair or two louder in my setup. All in all exteremely happy with it.

KS
post #6381 of 10456
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Originally Posted by ksubrama View Post

+1 Neutron77. I'm using premium Monoprice XLR Female - RCA Male cable ($7 for 6 ft cable, no adapters here), and the AQ is marginally better than my audioquest RCAs from my Oppo. XLR out is definitely a hair or two louder in my setup. All in all exteremely happy with it.

KS

what you are using is what I called an "XLR to RCA adapter cable" (no visible adapter plug per se). Actually, you can get 2 extra high-quality stereo outs! You can use an XLR to STEREO RCA for each L and R XLR outs (your cable probably shorts the LOW side to shield/gnd internally to create a single unbalanced output). You would now have a PAIR of unbalanced outputs.
For a given XLR output, the "sides" (hot and low) are identical except for the 180 phase shift (for CM noise cancellation at a differential input); but since you'd use the "hot" L & R and the "low" L & R for different amplifiers that's fine. btw I checked how "independent" the balanced sides of the XLR outs are (used independently) by loading one side down, say the HOT, (with 1 kohm) and the other side LOW didn't "budge" a mV!
So much functionality in that 95, it is awe inspiring
post #6382 of 10456
when the source is the BDP-95, via Denon 4806CI into a LG PK550 Plasma, sometimes the picture just goes blank, and I have to press a button on the BDP-95 remote for the picture to come back on the TV. Audio comes through fine. does anyone know why this is happening?
post #6383 of 10456
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Originally Posted by neutron77 View Post

Here is a simple way to do this ... it would provide similar performance to the dedicated stereo-outs but with a hotter signal:
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The 100 ohm output resistor is capacitance isolation and current limit (similar to OPPO stereo outs).

Got my Etymotic ER4p, loud enough & sound great with your HP box, but when I add an 75 Ohm adaptor cable to change it to ER4s, the output is again not loud enough for some CD, even when I change the R1 value from 1K Ohm to 470 Ohm. Would like to try to make your 4.4 Vrms HP box, but not sure how to get a negative voltage from your circuit, as it need a +V, -V and Ground when power by battery source - 4xAA for example, similar to what had suggested by this URL :
http://www.societyofrobots.com/elect...voltages.shtml
Thanks & please advice.....
post #6384 of 10456
Greetings;
Ordering a 95 this week, need to purge in order to join the 21st century.
Old gear;
- Kef 105/2 stay (front)
- AXIOM sub/centre 200 lb monster stays
- Paradigm 5se stay (rear)

- Bryston 4b monoblocks stay (front)
- NAD 2600 stays (sub)
- NAD 2300 stays (centre)
- need new amp for Pardigm rear speakers

- Bryston 11b pre-amp possibly stays (dedicated for turntable)
- Pierre Lurne Audiomeca Romance turntable stays
- Magnum Dynalab Elite tuner and amp stays
- Grundig AM stays
- Pioneer Elite laserdisc player stays (nostalgia) or not....

Punted (to spare bedroom);
- Madrigal Proceed CD player
- Pioneer dvd player
- Toshiba IDTV (crt) display
- Lexicon CP-1 processor
- Nak Dragon
- Toshiba S-VHS player
- Bose 501 speakers

I request guidance on a good pre-amp for my system. I'm not a fan of receivers and since I have good (not great, but good) amps already, do not need a receiver.
I won't be able to take advantage of the XLR outputs but the 5.1 outputs on the 95 should be great, with a pre-amp providing lossless pass-through.
If that pre-amp has a great phono stage, hey, I'm in heaven.

Pre-Amp requires;
- 5.1 channel in/out (pass-through) for the 95
- HDMI in/out
- Phono stage in, (mm/mc) mc at least
- multiple standard rca in/out for legacy gear

My video display will be a 60+ inch, preferably plasma but LED is looking better each day (no 3D, not a fan). I'll hook HDMI 1 from the 95 directly to it of course.

Should mention, I do not watch TV reception, ever. NETFLIX and other on-line programs do not interest me.
I watch movies on disc and listen to purchased stereo loads ( LPs, CDs and DVDs). that's it.

Thanks for your time;

Sharguild
post #6385 of 10456
I could be wrong (frequently am) but wouldn't the ground circuit (R4) need to be higher (e.g. 1.5K) otherwise it will ground out continuously?
post #6386 of 10456
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Speaker Configuration settings, including the Volume trims, ONLY affect the multi-channel Analog audio outputs.

If you are using HDMI for audio, those settings and test tones have no effect. Use the speaker volume trim settings in your AVR instead.
--Bob



Thanks Bob, missed this before I wrote a response a couple after yours.
post #6387 of 10456
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Are using the MCH analog output of the 95 to the MCH analog input of your AVR/prepro? If you are have you selected the MCH analog input of your AVR/prepo? If you have it set to HDMI you will not output the test tones.

Bill

Thanks Bill, but I have not run the 7.1 analog channels out, just using the other dedicated L and R RCA outouts.

While this is a very fine machine, I am seriously thinking of returning it and getting a 93 instead and saving $500. I just do not hear the WOW factor in the 95.
post #6388 of 10456
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Originally Posted by cp1966 View Post

Thanks Bill, but I have not run the 7.1 analog channels out, just using the other dedicated L and R RCA outouts.

While this is a very fine machine, I am seriously thinking of returning it and getting a 93 instead and saving $500. I just do not hear the WOW factor in the 95.

The 95 is built for ANALOG audio quality, it's identical to the 93 for digital audio output. It's not clear why you expected to hear any difference on the digital outputs, but Oppo certainly doesn't make that claim.
post #6389 of 10456
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Originally Posted by mm120525 View Post

Got my Etymotic ER4p, loud enough & sound great with your HP box, but when I add an 75 Ohm adaptor cable to change it to ER4s, the output is again not loud enough for some CD, even when I change the R1 value from 1K Ohm to 470 Ohm. Would like to try to make your 4.4 Vrms HP box, but not sure how to get a negative voltage from your circuit, as it need a +V, -V and Ground when power by battery source - 4xAA for example, similar to what had suggested by this URL :
http://www.societyofrobots.com/elect...voltages.shtml
Thanks & please advice.....

What exactly is the "75 ohm adapter cable" ? It is probably adding its own voltage divider network which drops the output level. The differential circuit I mentioned is a fairly generic difference amplifier using a split power supply .. I haven't built this one myself.
A split power supply (basically 8 - AA cells, with 4 providing ~ 6VDC for V++ and 4 providing the -6VDC for the V-- (the ground is just tapped between the two sets of 4 batteries). A picture of the unit I have is here: headphone amp which is another approach (more gain without loading the players line-out0 which I have built.

WARNING: I don't support any ideas I have. I just report what I have built.
post #6390 of 10456
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Originally Posted by Sharguild View Post

I could be wrong (frequently am) but wouldn't the ground circuit (R4) need to be higher (e.g. 1.5K) otherwise it will ground out continuously?

Not sure what you mean by "ground out continuously". The R3/R4 provide a 50% input voltage divider. The inputs are not grounded. That "balanced to single-ended converter" is very standard. With all resistors the same (quite common), the overall gain is unity (V+XLR - V-XLR). For example look at the diagram on p. 25 of the LM4562 datasheet.
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