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post #7081 of 10426
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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

DigDug, didn't notice the firmware update, but will definitely give reset a try. Will report back asap. Oddly enough, the analog outputs for bluray sound fantastic with no "pull to left" balance issue as happens with CD and SACD playback. I dont have an HDMI audio capable pre/pro so I must use analog output (stereo and mch) for everything. Have listened to Adele at Royal Albert Hall and Billy Joel at Shea Stadium concerts in Bluray, and they both sounded superb. Very odd.

I have my analog outputs connected to my AV7005 and didn't notice any 7.1 analog strangeness either. Just the stereo outs. It was a really odd issue and thought I had a bad preamp until I discovered the reset trick.
post #7082 of 10426
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Originally Posted by digdug111 View Post

I just had this problem. You recently did a firmware update and after the latest update you MUST reset the unit back to factory settings. If you don't the analog outputs sound horrible. I discovered this tonight and did the reset. The analogs sound awesome again.

I just got a new Musical Fidelity V-CAN II and connected my BDP-95 directly to it via analog and was listening with my Sennheiser HD650s. It sounded bad. I tried the same headphone amp and headphones on my BDP-83SE and it sounded awesome. Light bulb went on. I hadn't done the factory reset like the upgrade instructions said...

After the factory reset, the BDP-95 + V-CAN II + HD650s sound absolutely great. I have been listening to 96/24 and 192/24 DVD-As with this setup and it is nothing short of amazing. Revealing details I had never heard before on tracks I have listened to many times.

When the upgrade instructions say to factory reset, do it...

The current upgrade instructions for the 12/21 firmware call for a "Reset Factory Default" step on the BDP-83, but not on the BDP-95. The reset is also beneficial for the BDP-95?

BTW, I also use the BDP-95 in my headphone rig and I like it very much.

BK
post #7083 of 10426
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Originally Posted by charlesp210 View Post

I've been complaining about the BDP-95 fan noise since I got one the first month they were available. Finally, however, I have gotten around to doing a full chassis noise (and sound quality) comparison between the Oppo and my Denon 5900.

Apologists say the fan is "barely audible." That's less true for me, since I sit 4 feet from my speakers and about 5 feet from the disc player. But I wonder how cavalierly people disregard chassis noise but obsess about the difference between a electronic dynamic range of 98dB and 120dB (high resolution SACD, DVD-Audio, etc). Relative to a peak listening level of 95dB, 30dB is only 65 dB down, and relative to a non-peak level more like 80dB, it's only 50dB. So nearly any level of noise from a mechanism towers over the wisp of electronic noise even generated by 16 bit digital, let alone higher resolutions.

Anyway, I found that the fan is the least important part of the Oppo chassis noise. When playing DVD-Audio, the Oppo makes a much louder fan-like (woosh) sound coming from the disc spinning at high speed. It's a pleasant sound, but it's very audible with the music is stopped. My measurement was 39dB but it could be a bit lower than that because of background noise.

The Denon 5900 is far quieter playing the same disc (btw, Santana Supernatural DVD-Audio). I haven't been able to measure it because of background noise, but my guess is that it's at least 12dB quieter. It's a very different sound too, more low than high frequencies, a bit mechanical sounding, and a touch of clicking. It's a less pleasant sound, but the low frequencies are better masked by ambient noises, and it quickly becomes inaudible as you move away from the player. One misfeature is that you can hear a motor speeding up and slowing down when it changes DVD-Audio tracks, but after that, the motor noise disappears. And, of course, when disc is stopped, it's totally silent (no fan).

I can't control for the chassis noise level, both players in same location about 5 feet from listening position in between speakers (which is great for convenience, an important consideration, though I've thought of moving player to back of room or building a sound absorbing enclosure for it). But I did find the Denon to be considerably more transparent in the midrange and highs, maybe not quite as powerful in the sub 30Hz bass. It's a way more musical sound also, i more easily become aware of counterpoint, musician position and nuances, and ambient (non-directional) sounds in the recording.

So I've decided for now to use BDP-95 as a video player in my central video stack (why I originally bought it anyway) rather than as dedicated music player in my music system replacing the 5900. Unfortunately that means I won't be able to enjoy the Blu music discs in the Pink Floyd Immersion sets.

It seems outrageous to me that neither high end manufacturers nor modders have reduced chassis noise to zilch. It doesn't seem to enter any else's thinking. I would think that you could go a long way in making the Oppo BDP-95 quieter.

Here are some suggestions to get a more quiet BDP95 (fan point of view...):
- Cut out the fan cover as you can see in the picture here.
- Install an "fan silencer" (fan speed controller) as the picture here suggest (use an small dedicated PSU for the fan, and a better place for it is in to the player switching PSU).
- Use an low noise fan type.
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post #7084 of 10426
I didn't do a reset factory defaults either. But then again the first thing I did when I set it up, was get the wireless up and download new firmware. The player was already at its factory defaults, so I didn't see any need to reset. Good assumption?
post #7085 of 10426
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Originally Posted by bk_856er View Post


BTW, I also use the BDP-95 in my headphone rig and I like it very much.

BK

+1, that's my primary reason for getting the 95 over the 93.
post #7086 of 10426
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Originally Posted by gmiller1 View Post

...I am contemplating whether to assign the stereo outputs as the FR and FL outputs,
And whether to assign bass management to my front speakers which go down to about 46 hz.
My question is how much low frequency sound (below, say 46 hz) is generally channeled to the left and right front speakers instead of the subwoofer on multichannel sacds? I realize all sound engineers are different, but I would like to know what the tendencies are in the industry.

To add to Bob's response,
The "tendencies" on the LFE channel for SACD and DVDA are unpredictable. Here's some info on how I deal with it that you may find interesting.

The decision to treat your mains as large irt bass management is complex. One should preferably do some acoustic measurements with the aim of achieving flat bass by careful placement of speakers in the room. The problem is, you need to place FR/L and MLP for optimal front soundstage imaging and that rarely matches with smoothest bass. Achieving optimal bass is thus made much easier by the use of a sub, and especially by using 2 subs.
post #7087 of 10426
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

I didn't do a reset factory defaults either. But then again the first thing I did when I set it up, was get the wireless up and download new firmware. The player was already at its factory defaults, so I didn't see any need to reset. Good assumption?

No, it's not a good assumption. Generally speaking, any time you install a firmware update it's a good idea to reset factory defaults and re-enter your settings. That minimizes the risk of something having gotten screwed up as a byproduct of the firmware update - if, for example, the storage of some setting changes slightly, etc. If you run into ANY problems after a firmware update and haven't done a factory reset, that's the first thing to try before asking for help.
post #7088 of 10426
Before I purchased the 95 I read through the complete thread. I was worried about the fan and wondering what I would do to make it quiet. I received the 95 about two weeks ago. To my amazement I could not hear a thing. Put my ear within 6 inches and still could not hear it. The only way I could tell it was on was to look at it spinning in the back. Of course I am 50ish and my hearing is not what it use to be.
post #7089 of 10426
In playing classic SACD discs that are labeled as "surround," which analog channel is preferred? I have been going back and forth between them trying to ascertain a qualitative difference. (In using the stereo channels I set my Sony STR-5600ES to output 7.1.)
post #7090 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Acesover8ts View Post

Before I purchased the 95 I read through the complete thread. I was worried about the fan and wondering what I would do to make it quiet. I received the 95 about two weeks ago. To my amazement I could not hear a thing. Put my ear within 6 inches and still could not hear it. The only way I could tell it was on was to look at it spinning in the back. Of course I am 50ish and my hearing is not what it use to be.

It is very possible that Oppo has fixed this problem in the mean time. Maybe they use now a low noise type one, or it is fixed in another way....
This fan should not be heard anyway when is on...
post #7091 of 10426
I've updated the firmware, but when I play a cd I can't see the placeholder or the progress indicator. Now I wonder if they where always there in the first place?

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http://www.sa-cd.net/library/7548
post #7092 of 10426
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

No, it's not a good assumption. Generally speaking, any time you install a firmware update it's a good idea to reset factory defaults and re-enter your settings. That minimizes the risk of something having gotten screwed up as a byproduct of the firmware update - if, for example, the storage of some setting changes slightly, etc. If you run into ANY problems after a firmware update and haven't done a factory reset, that's the first thing to try before asking for help.

I went back and did this. I just wish it retained network and netflix settings. The others are no biggie to go and set, the network and netflix are a pain.
post #7093 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Kraton View Post

I've updated the firmware, but when I play a cd I can't see the placeholder or the progress indicator. Now I wonder if they where always there in the first place?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +

http://www.sa-cd.net/library/7548

Are you talking about the blue progress bar that shows the advance across the time lines? It works here.

Power cycle the player and try again. Try using the Page Up/Down buttons to cycle between which format of time line is being shown (whole disc or current trace, / time elapsed or time remaining).
--Bob
post #7094 of 10426
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Originally Posted by ajglass View Post

In playing classic SACD discs that are labeled as "surround," which analog channel is preferred? I have been going back and forth between them trying to ascertain a qualitative difference. (In using the stereo channels I set my Sony STR-5600ES to output 7.1.)

It's really personal preference, but it is likely the people who mixed the disc expected most listeners with surround speakers to play the 5.1 layer of such SACDs.
--Bob
post #7095 of 10426
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Originally Posted by digdug111 View Post

When the upgrade instructions say to factory reset, do it...

Where does it say to do a factory reset in the upgrade instructions?
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...e-61-1219.aspx

I agree it's a good idea. I just don't see where it was specified in the instructions.
On my device, the reset factory defaults option is grayed out and cannot be selected. The persistent storage options are also grayed out. I can click on persistent storage, and it says 956MG total space and 948 MB available, but again, it's all grayed out so I cannot move the courser down to erase BD-Video data.
post #7096 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Hot Glass View Post

Where does it say to do a factory reset in the upgrade instructions?
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...e-61-1219.aspx

I agree it's a good idea. I just don't see where it was specified in the instructions.
On my device, the reset factory defaults option is grayed out and cannot be selected. The persistent storage options are also grayed out. I can click on persistent storage, and it says 956MG total space and 948 MB available, but again, it's all grayed out so I cannot move the courser down to erase BD-Video data.

Some options in Setup are not available while a disc is loaded or you are playing media content. Simply eject the disc or press Stop twice or press Home and those menu options will become available.
--Bob
post #7097 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Some options in Setup are not available while a disc is loaded or you are playing media content. Simply eject the disc or press Stop twice or press Home and those menu options will become available.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. That did it.
post #7098 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Some options in Setup are not available while a disc is loaded or you are playing media content. Simply eject the disc or press Stop twice or press Home and those menu options will become available.
--Bob

A question for y'all who know vastly more than I (most everyone I reckon), if the instructions listed with the update DO NOT indicate a factory reset is neccessary, then why is it that you all feel it's still a neccessity? I'm just asking from a point of curiosity as from what I can tell, everything seems fine after the last FW update and I didn't perform the factory reset.

In other words...... "curious minds want to know".
post #7099 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

A question for y'all who know vastly more than I (most everyone I reckon), if the instructions listed with the update DO NOT indicate a factory reset is neccessary, then why is it that you all feel it's still a neccessity? I'm just asking from a point of curiosity as from what I can tell, everything seems fine after the last FW update and I didn't perform the factory reset.

In other words...... "curious minds want to know".

By design it should not be necessary to do a reset after a firmware install, and indeed it's tested both with and without a reset.

Nevertheless, there's periodic, anecdotal evidence that a variety of unusual problems can sometimes be fixed by this simple additional step.

These players are complicated beasties, and sometimes I think they just crave the extra attention.

In the course of Beta testing, I do enough installs of firmware that the addition of a reset is just second nature now. it gets the unit into a known state, which makes it easier to reproduce any problems found.
--Bob
post #7100 of 10426
I've been using my PS3 for streaming Netflix and am able to get both 1080i as well as DD audio formats.

Today I decided to use the Netflix streaming capabilities on my BDP95, but am seeing the following for movies classified as HD:

1) Downgraded PQ (probably 480p) even though I am using HDMI 1
2) No Dolby Digital (with both HDMI 2 as well as Optical out to receiver)


Am I missing something here, or is the Netflix app on the BDP95 simply not able to stream HD video and audio?

Thanks,
KS
post #7101 of 10426
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Originally Posted by ksubrama View Post

... is the Netflix app on the BDP95 simply not able to stream HD video and audio?

Thanks,
KS

Just to be absolutely clear, the Netflix app on the BDP 95 is provided by Netflix, run by Netflix, and takes complete control of the 95 when it's running. Sony's PS3 gets entirely different software from Netflix with enhanced functionality commensurate with the different size of the to companies -- Sony and OPPO.
post #7102 of 10426
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Just to be absolutely clear, the Netflix app on the BDP 95 is provided by Netflix, run by Netflix, and takes complete control of the 95 when it's running. Sony's PS3 gets entirely different software from Netflix with enhanced functionality commensurate with the different size of the to companies -- Sony and OPPO.

I get that part, and wanted to confirm the available Netflix HD streaming limitations on the Oppo, if any.
post #7103 of 10426
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Originally Posted by ksubrama View Post

I get that part, and wanted to confirm the available Netflix HD streaming limitations on the Oppo, if any.

I dropped Netflix streaming because of the Netflix limits on the OPPO and the lack of quality source material for streaming. If there have been any improvements from Netflix for OPPO, I'm not aware of them.

Snail-mail and .ISO direct connect forever!
post #7104 of 10426
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Originally Posted by ksubrama View Post

I get that part, and wanted to confirm the available Netflix HD streaming limitations on the Oppo, if any.

SD streams from Netflix are 480i in this app.

HD streams are 720p. If the networking performance is poor, Netflix may, on the fly, downgrade an HD stream to the SD stream.

Both SD and HD streams come in several different levels of compression and Netflix will switch levels on the fly as it feels necessary, presumably to help prevent re-buffering. The highest compression version of SD looks Godawful. The lowest compression version of HD is roughly in the quality ballpark of decent SD-DVD transfers.

Note: If you know you are going to view an HD Netflix stream, my recommendation is that you set the Oppo to explicit 720p output (not Source Direct) prior to starting up Netflix.

Audio is stereo only.

English subtitles are included in foreign films (no option) and NOT included in English films (again, no option).

All of the above is basically due to what Netflix has handed Oppo in the V2 Netflix application.
--Bob
post #7105 of 10426
Thanks Bob and htwaits. It looks like I may have to stick with my PS3 for netflix HD, because my CRT set does not support 720p.

KS
post #7106 of 10426
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Are you talking about the blue progress bar that shows the advance across the time lines? It works here.

Power cycle the player and try again. Try using the Page Up/Down buttons to cycle between which format of time line is being shown (whole disc or current trace, / time elapsed or time remaining).

Very strange, I streamed a movie and then tried a cd again and both features are back. I didn't turn the player off. Probably a temporarily failure or something like that.
post #7107 of 10426
Apologies if these have been asked already, but not easy to search through 237 pages of posts!

Am considering purchasing the 95 to replace my ancient Panasonic BD30. Have a Musical Fidelity integrated 2 channel for mains in my 5.1 setup. Main AVR is the Denon 3808 which supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA.

1) Should I use the surround decoding on board the 95 or in the Denon? Ie, output LPCM or bitstream from the 95? Not sure which will sound better, the Denon 3808 is almost 5 years old now...

2) If using LPCM, do you set the speaker distances and crossover in the Oppo, or is this bypassed? I would like to use the Denon's Audyssey and other settings for surround material.

3) For movies, I use hdmi into the receiver, obviously. But for music, I am thinking of using the analog output directly into the Musical Fidelity. But how should I connect to get 2.1 channel audio? Should I use the 7.1 analog RCA out but only connect LF and RF and Sub? Will it downmix multichannel to 2.1 or just to stereo?
My Sub has extensive crossover and EQ settings built-in, so I would rather not use the Oppo's bass management.
post #7108 of 10426
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Originally Posted by sergioR View Post

Apologies if these have been asked already, but not easy to search through 237 pages of posts!

Am considering purchasing the 95 to replace my ancient Panasonic BD30. Have a Musical Fidelity integrated 2 channel for mains in my 5.1 setup. Main AVR is the Denon 3808 which supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA.

1) Should I use the surround decoding on board the 95 or in the Denon? Ie, output LPCM or bitstream from the 95? Not sure which will sound better, the Denon 3808 is almost 5 years old now...

2) If using LPCM, do you set the speaker distances and crossover in the Oppo, or is this bypassed? I would like to use the Denon's Audyssey and other settings for surround material.

3) For movies, I use hdmi into the receiver, obviously. But for music, I am thinking of using the analog output directly into the Musical Fidelity. But how should I connect to get 2.1 channel audio? Should I use the 7.1 analog RCA out but only connect LF and RF and Sub? Will it downmix multichannel to 2.1 or just to stereo?
My Sub has extensive crossover and EQ settings built-in, so I would rather not use the Oppo's bass management.

There's not much point to the BDP-95 if you're using HDMI. For music, that's up to you whether it's worth the extra $500.

There's no way to get 2.1 out of the player via analog without using the on-board bass management. With the AVR, any bass management will require an A-D-A conversion, which negates much of the advantage of the player's DAC.

Your best option is really going to be getting the BDP-93 and sticking with HDMI. The advantages of all the DSP, bass management and EQ that the AVR offers will outweigh the quality advantages that the 95 offers for analog outputs.
post #7109 of 10426
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Originally Posted by kallyn View Post

Thanks for the response!
In other words I can have XLR and RCA connected on 1 channel but in order to switch I should only switch with amp off? Never while amp is on.

Yes, the amp should NEVER be ON if there is a signal present on both the XLR input and the RCA input at the same time.
post #7110 of 10426
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Originally Posted by digdug111 View Post


When the upgrade instructions say to factory reset, do it...

Thanks for highlighting this important final step! I completely ignored it when I did the latest firmware upgrade. I can't wait to see (hear) the changes after I'll do the factory reset....
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