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post #9331 of 11017
Hi guys. I am thinking of picking up an Oppo 95 for my HT. I have a question regarding the usb input. If I plug in a usb stick with high res music on it, does the Oppo95 do anything to the signal? Does it play straight from the usb stick or is there some type of conversion?
post #9332 of 11017
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Originally Posted by fuzzybk View Post

Hi guys. I am thinking of picking up an Oppo 95 for my HT. I have a question regarding the usb input. If I plug in a usb stick with high res music on it, does the Oppo95 do anything to the signal? Does it play straight from the usb stick or is there some type of conversion?

There is some type of conversion.

What's on the USB stick is a computer file. The computer file is not analog audio, nor is it the sort of digital audio that goes out on an HDMI cable.

The file gets decoded into digital audio streams and then, if you are using the Analog audio outputs, also gets converted to Analog.

ETA: If what you meant was, "Is there something in the playback that causes lower quality output than is represented by the original files on the USB stick", the answer is no. You can play up to 7.1 channels of up to 192KHz of up to 24 bits per sample audio. For example, folks use high resolution FLAC files for this. Be aware that if the audio file on the USB stick is in a proprietary format or if it is DRM (copy) protected, then it won't play.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 8/12/12 at 2:16pm
post #9333 of 11017
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Any idea when the beta firmware will be released as official firmware in the U.S.?

OPPO does not give out such estimates. Good cooking takes time, and similar cliches....
--Bob
post #9334 of 11017
did anyone buy the the Beatles box set that is in a Apple shaped USB? Were you able to plug it into the Oppo USB and play it? Just wondering if anyone has before I drop 300 bucks on it. Thanks
post #9335 of 11017
Thread Starter 
I believe those are FLAC, so it should work on the player
post #9336 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

did anyone buy the the Beatles box set that is in a Apple shaped USB? Were you able to plug it into the Oppo USB and play it? Just wondering if anyone has before I drop 300 bucks on it. Thanks
Just to be safe, I'd copy to another usb drive and keep the original put up.
post #9337 of 11017
thats great. Need the mono box set too since most albums were mixed for that. As for gapless FLAC playback, that is a necessity and hoping for it soon...
post #9338 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

thats great. Need the mono box set too since most albums were mixed for that. As for gapless FLAC playback, that is a necessity and hoping for it soon...

Definitely need the Mono box set if you're a Beatles fan.

Don't expect gapless playback from the current player. Hopefully, in the next generation player (fingers crossed).
post #9339 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There is some type of conversion.
What's on the USB stick is a computer file. The computer file is not analog audio, nor is it the sort of digital audio that goes out on an HDMI cable.
The file gets decoded into digital audio streams and then, if you are using the Analog audio outputs, also gets converted to Analog.
ETA: If what you meant was, "Is there something in the playback that causes lower quality output than is represented by the original files on the USB stick", the answer is no. You can play up to 7.1 channels of up to 192KHz of up to 24 bits per sample audio. For example, folks use high resolution FLAC files for this. Be aware that if the audio file on the USB stick is in a proprietary format or if it is DRM (copy) protected, then it won't play.
--Bob

Does this go for the Oppo 93 as well? If no conversion happens then I think I might get the Oppo 93 instead of the 95 to save some cash.
post #9340 of 11017
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Originally Posted by fuzzybk View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There is some type of conversion.
What's on the USB stick is a computer file. The computer file is not analog audio, nor is it the sort of digital audio that goes out on an HDMI cable.
The file gets decoded into digital audio streams and then, if you are using the Analog audio outputs, also gets converted to Analog.
ETA: If what you meant was, "Is there something in the playback that causes lower quality output than is represented by the original files on the USB stick", the answer is no. You can play up to 7.1 channels of up to 192KHz of up to 24 bits per sample audio. For example, folks use high resolution FLAC files for this. Be aware that if the audio file on the USB stick is in a proprietary format or if it is DRM (copy) protected, then it won't play.
--Bob

Does this go for the Oppo 93 as well? If no conversion happens then I think I might get the Oppo 93 instead of the 95 to save some cash.

The 95 uses a higher quality circuit for the last step -- conversion of the digital audio to Analog for output on the Analog audio jacks. The rest is identical between the 93 and the 95. If you intend to use the Analog audio output jacks of the player (or want to consider that as a future use) then the 95 might be right for you. If you intend to use HDMI digital audio output from the player then the 93 will do the same thing as the 95 for less money -- in which case it's your HDMI-capable AVR or sound processor which then does the conversion to Analog for output to your speakers.
--Bob
post #9341 of 11017
just tried to play M4A files via usb and they wouldnt play. The files I have are lossless.
post #9342 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

just tried to play M4A files via usb and they wouldnt play. The files I have are lossless.

M4A is the container. We need to know the audio codec. The free "mediainfo" will give that information if you don't have it.

-Bill
post #9343 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

M4A is the container. We need to know the audio codec. The free "mediainfo" will give that information if you don't have it.
-Bill

Codec was ALAC (yuk). I converted it to FLAC...as all real men should smile.gif
post #9344 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The 95 uses a higher quality circuit for the last step -- conversion of the digital audio to Analog for output on the Analog audio jacks. The rest is identical between the 93 and the 95. If you intend to use the Analog audio output jacks of the player (or want to consider that as a future use) then the 95 might be right for you. If you intend to use HDMI digital audio output from the player then the 93 will do the same thing as the 95 for less money -- in which case it's your HDMI-capable AVR or sound processor which then does the conversion to Analog for output to your speakers.
--Bob

If I hook up the Oppo 93 to my Anthem AVM 50v via HDMI, I will set the Oppo 93 to bitstream so the AVM 50v can do the decoding for Blu Rays. If I insert a usb flash drive with 2 CH high res music files on it, do I have to connect the L/R analog outputs of the Oppo 93 to an analog input on my AVM 50v? The high res music wont playback via HDMI?
post #9345 of 11017
Jus FYI, guys:

Latest Official Release Version

Release date: August 14, 2012.
Category: Latest Official Release

Main Version: BDP9x-71-0723
Loader Version: CN0900
Sub Version: MCU93-09-0218 (BDP-93), MCU95-08-0218 (BDP-95)


Link: http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-95/blu-ray-BDP-95-Support.aspx
post #9346 of 11017
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Originally Posted by fuzzybk View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The 95 uses a higher quality circuit for the last step -- conversion of the digital audio to Analog for output on the Analog audio jacks. The rest is identical between the 93 and the 95. If you intend to use the Analog audio output jacks of the player (or want to consider that as a future use) then the 95 might be right for you. If you intend to use HDMI digital audio output from the player then the 93 will do the same thing as the 95 for less money -- in which case it's your HDMI-capable AVR or sound processor which then does the conversion to Analog for output to your speakers.
--Bob

If I hook up the Oppo 93 to my Anthem AVM 50v via HDMI, I will set the Oppo 93 to bitstream so the AVM 50v can do the decoding for Blu Rays. If I insert a usb flash drive with 2 CH high res music files on it, do I have to connect the L/R analog outputs of the Oppo 93 to an analog input on my AVM 50v? The high res music wont playback via HDMI?

No, it will playback just fine.

Even though you have set Bitstream, if the content you are playing is already LPCM (after file decoding in the case of a media file), then it will be sent over HDMI as LPCM -- which is still digital audio. The same sort of thing happens if you play a normal CD disc. CDs are stereo LPCM, and what goes over the HDMI to your Anthem is 2.0 LPCM (44.1 KHz for CD) even though you have specified Bitstream.

Bitstream means that if the audio you are playing is in a packed format that HDMI supports -- and if whatever's on the other end of the cable agrees it can handle it -- then that audio Bitstream is sent over the HDMI connection in its encoded/packed format -- for decoding in the Anthem -- instead of being decoded in the OPPO. But there's only a very limited number of formats that HDMI supports for Bitstream: Traditional Dolby Digital and DTS, and the new "lossless" Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HR / DTS-HD MA found on Blu-ray discs.

There are many, MANY media file formats beyond that. Things like FLAC. The 93 (and 95) understand a reasonable number of such media file formats, but by no means all of them. The ones that it does not understand can not be played. The ones that it does understand get decoded into LPCM and go over the cable that way.

For example, you can't send FLAC audio over HDMI. And even if you could the Anthem would have no clue what to do with it. The 93 decodes it into LPCM digital audio and that's what goes over the HDMI cable. FLAC is a supported media file format.

(Think of LPCM as the "simplest" digital audio format -- the stuff that all the other formats are trying to encode in some fashion that takes up less space.)

But various proprietary formats out there (e.g., Apple Lossless) can't be played at all -- not even over Analog connections. It is not a supported media file format (due to licensing, etc.).
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 8/14/12 at 6:05pm
post #9347 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

Codec was ALAC (yuk). I converted it to FLAC...as all real men should smile.gif

Now that Apple has open sourced ALAC, is Oppo working on adding the Codec?
post #9348 of 11017
Thread Starter 
Not likely to happen. This has been on my request list for about a year now since it is open source, but MediaTek does not seem interested in supporting ALAC. And from their perspective, I can see why, seeing how Sony is their premiere (in terms of sales) partner.
post #9349 of 11017
I can say thus far on the official firware vs. the beta, that the official has returned my 95 to its fast out the box state! navigation of files via usb and even the search engine on YouTube is faster and works as it should if not better as well ,couple that with 24fps for dvd and solid netflix streaming and the value should appreciate for a few dollars more:D.
Oh well its time to retire the fanboy status (all though I never admitted to it!) and run for President of the fan club (lol)

Big shout out to Oppo!

Thanks!
post #9350 of 11017
^
When you say "official vs beta", are you saying there is a difference between the two?
post #9351 of 11017
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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

^
When you say "official vs beta", are you saying there is a difference between the two?

Yes, from the user interface between the Official and the Beta the player via the Official is blazing fast, I'm sure some will say there is no difference between the two but I had them both and use the functions mentioned on a daily basis and the result is faster accesses to files and the Youtube interface search function works like the intended it to while not perfect the way the interface prompts the next letter is great in a cross pattern, instead of hitting a letter and waiting for it to look for related content, it now gives more time to enter more letters not by much but its less cumbersome. As for music files I don't have the super storage hard drive but past firmwares have even slowed down my playback of Hi Rez files via usb, not anymore its almost to fast to navigate. My method of updating was a flashdrive and I've only ever did a reset once since owning the player, I hope others are experiencing the same results. post back you users of large files as a hard drive and small monitor are high on my to do list!
post #9352 of 11017
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

^
When you say "official vs beta", are you saying there is a difference between the two?

Yes, from the user interface between the Official and the Beta the player via the Official is blazing fast, I'm sure some will say there is no difference between the two but I had them both and use the functions mentioned on a daily basis and the result is faster accesses to files and the Youtube interface search function works like the intended it to while not perfect the way the interface prompts the next letter is great in a cross pattern, instead of hitting a letter and waiting for it to look for related content, it now gives more time to enter more letters not by much but its less cumbersome. As for music files I don't have the super storage hard drive but past firmwares have even slowed down my playback of Hi Rez files via usb, not anymore its almost to fast to navigate. My method of updating was a flashdrive and I've only ever did a reset once since owning the player, I hope others are experiencing the same results. post back you users of large files as a hard drive and small monitor are high on my to do list!

I'm glad it's working better for you, but whatever's going on is not due to a difference between the 0723B Public Beta firmware and the Official 0723 firmware. There are no such changes between them.

Perhaps you had an installation problem with your 0723B install, which was cured by the re-install.
--Bob
post #9353 of 11017
I have a question & I'm sure it's been asked before but this thread is very long and the subjects change quite frequently. Here we go, I mostly use my Oppo 93 5.1 analog support for multichannel movies...would I notice an audible difference upgrading to the 95? I have Klipsch Reference RF 62's for speakers and a Marantz SR 7005 receiver combined with an Emotiva XPA 3 amp. Gonna go duck & hide now!! biggrin.gif
post #9354 of 11017
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Originally Posted by tkbryant View Post

I have a question & I'm sure it's been asked before but this thread is very long and the subjects change quite frequently. Here we go, I mostly use my Oppo 93 5.1 analog support for multichannel movies...would I notice an audible difference upgrading to the 95? I have Klipsch Reference RF 62's for speakers and a Marantz SR 7005 receiver combined with an Emotiva XPA 3 amp. Gonna go duck & hide now!! biggrin.gif

I can't answer this for you, but I can remind you that if you buy a 95 direct from OPPO Digital they have a 30 day return policy so you can try it and find out for yourself. All you risk is the shipping cost.
--Bob
post #9355 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I'm glad it's working better for you, but whatever's going on is not due to a difference between the 0723B Public Beta firmware and the Official 0723 firmware. There are no such changes between them.
Perhaps you had an installation problem with your 0723B install, which was cured by the re-install.
--Bob
Probably what I'm thinking as well Bob, as a reinstall in the past has been a cure all for some ills , non the less I'm as happy as a fish in a lake!
post #9356 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

did anyone buy the the Beatles box set that is in a Apple shaped USB? Were you able to plug it into the Oppo USB and play it? Just wondering if anyone has before I drop 300 bucks on it. Thanks

I have that beatles apple usb and it works fine in the oppo usb. I also used cirlinqa to copy the flac to dvda format, and that plays gapless.

btw, I have been using a pan bdt500 to play some flac, but it wouldn't play the 44.1khz flac that is on the beatles usb.
post #9357 of 11017
I just installed the latest official firmware on my BDP 95 via wireless tonight. Since the install, ALL DTS MA soundtracks have what sounds like static clicks. They are random in nature and don't seem to follow any pattern other than they only appear on DTS MA soundtracks. I am using the analog outputs only. I seem to recall this problem has been mentioned here before but I don't recall what the "fix" was. Any suggestions?

BTW; all of the previous firmware upgrades have been installed using the wireless method without any problem.

ETA; I just finished re-installing the firmware via USB. Cleared Persistent Storage, did a Factory Reset and unplugged the unit for about a minute. To no avail........ still experiencing random clicks that sound like static on DTS MA soundtracks.

HELP!!!
Edited by Torqdog - 8/15/12 at 11:17pm
post #9358 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Jay Norwood View Post

I have been using a pan bdt500 to play some flac, but it wouldn't play the 44.1khz flac that is on the beatles usb.

You play seamless flac files with the pan bdt500?
post #9359 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I just installed the latest official firmware on my BDP 95 via wireless tonight. Since the install, ALL DTS MA soundtracks have what sounds like static clicks. They are random in nature and don't seem to follow any pattern other than they only appear on DTS MA soundtracks. I am using the analog outputs only. I seem to recall this problem has been mentioned here before but I don't recall what the "fix" was. Any suggestions?

BTW; all of the previous firmware upgrades have been installed using the wireless method without any problem.

ETA; I just finished re-installing the firmware via USB. Cleared Persistent Storage, did a Factory Reset and unplugged the unit for about a minute. To no avail........ still experiencing random clicks that sound like static on DTS MA soundtracks.

HELP!!!

Go to Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information and confirm that all THREE parts of the firmware are up to date: Main, Loader, and Sub/MCU. The correct version numbers are listed on the OPPO Support page for the player, and also in the firmware history portion of the first post of the BDP-93 thread. If the Loader or MCU are not up to date, give OPPO a call and they can explain how you fix that. (It's easy.)

Next, take a deep breath and think whether anything ELSE changed in your system at the same time. This would include things like adding another device somewhere in the system, or changing the way stuff is connected to power.

Next, go check that your HDMI plugs are fully inserted into their sockets -- straight in with nothing tugging them in any direction. Check from the player, through the AVR, all the way to the display.

Next, try both HDMI Bitstream and HDMI LPCM output with your problem DTS-HD MA tracks to see if the problem occurs both ways. Turn Secondary Audio OFF while checking this.

If you have the Analog outputs cabled, see if the problem occurs on the Analog outputs as well. Turn Secondary Audio OFF while checking this.

If you don't find the answer while doing the above, give OPPO a call with this information and they'll figure out the next steps with you.

It is unlikely the firmware has caused this. Nothing like this has been reported by any of the Beta or Public Beta testers. It is possible, but not all that likely, that your player had a hardware failure coincidentally with this firmware install.

I'm betting on a loose HDMI plug, perhaps disturbed while you were doing the installation steps. This could be the cause even if you are using Analog cabling for audio.
--Bob
post #9360 of 11017
Thanks Bob........ did all that. All three parts are up to date, plugs firmly installed etc etc. Funny thing is is that I played a movie with a DTS MA soundtrack just before updating the firmware and it played fine. Upon removing the disc from the player, I received the FW notification via wireless and that is when I performed the upgrade.

You mentioned a "coincindental hardware failure". The player has been acting up a bit of late especially on SACDs. What I have been experiencing is channel drop-outs and that occurred again last night on Pandora after the FW install. The "fix" has been to turn off the player and start over.

Oppo has been notified.

Thanks for your helpful hints.
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