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post #9571 of 11017
I have to say that the best sound I've ever had in my system is running the 95 stereo outputs via balanced straight to my amp for SACD. The clarity of individual instruments, especially orchestral music is noticeable over running the stereo unbalanced outputs through my preamp. I had never used balanced cables before, now I swear by them.
post #9572 of 11017
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Originally Posted by cglenn View Post

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They're up now. Looks like they are saying that the extra cost of the 95/105 is not worth it unless one's AVR has XLR inputs. .

No so. There's no inherent quality difference between XLR and RCA connects. The added cost of the 95/105 is for analog boards, and either RCA or XLR connects benefit from that.

That said, whether the added cost of the 95/105 has value compared to a 93/103 depends on what's downstream from the player in the analog chain. Even if you're using analog connects, the 93 is still a VERY fine analog source, and generally the benefits of the 95 will be more apparent with downstream gear that falls into the "high end" realm. Many folks are using a 93 with analog output and are very happy with it.
post #9573 of 11017
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I thank all you experienced people for your feedback. Now I'm back on the 95/105 bandwagon (fortunately it is a very large wagon biggrin.gif ).

Does the Denon 3312 fall into the 'high end' category? I plan to buy a pair of Audioquest Diamondbacks to feed my CD input from the Oppo.
post #9574 of 11017
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Originally Posted by cglenn View Post

Does the Denon 3312 fall into the 'high end' category? I plan to buy a pair of Audioquest Diamondbacks to feed my CD input from the Oppo.
That's what I have, and I would not call it high end. eek.gif

I replaced a 3806 with the 3312ci which is higher in the Denon AVD pecking order, and it wasn't high end either. Of course my room and my ears aren't high end. wink.gif

We are a perfect fit for each other. smile.gif
post #9575 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

... There's no inherent quality difference between XLR and RCA connects. ...

For home use, totally agreed.

For home use, XLR interconnects are even bulkier and heavier and less convenient than RCA interconnects, without any sonic benefit in my experience.

For pro use in various settings from stage use, to very long cable runs, to closeness of electrical equipment and random electrical motors, to heavy equipment on wheels being rolled over the cable, to repeated connection and disconnection of interconnect ends to equipment, that's where XLR interconnects have real merit.

This writeup on various XLR connectors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XLR_connector provides insight into the great number of different connectors.

Another good writeup is http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/balanced.htm which has this near the end of the writeup:

<"...But some high-end devices also offer balanced audio connections, usually through XLR connectors. Should you use them?

The answer, if you can run from a balanced source to a balanced load, is a definite yes. Balanced circuits do provide a degree of noise rejection which unbalanced circuits cannot, and so if you have balanced connection options open to you, by all means use them.">

Most good RCA interconnects provide more than adequate noise rejection for use in one's home.

My own XLR interconnects are now unused, stacked away in a storage box.
post #9576 of 11017
Having A/B RCA & XLR from the 95 to my Anthem to my Halo A21 ( level matched) using the same cables (AudioQuest Columbia's) the primary difference between the two methods was a lower noise floor greater separation of instruments more detail in the mids and longer decay of music bass is tighter with more definition as well. It does stand to say there is a lot going on in one's rack at one time, and may rival the studio in some cases for noise. It's my humble advice that you listen for yourself , I for one prefer "Balanced" when the choice is given 95% of the time or both (My setup) as they each have a distinct sound and depending on the recording you may prefer one over the other;)
post #9577 of 11017
^ You also have to consider that there may be a difference in how your preamp or sound processor ITSELF handles XLR vs RCA input.

That alone suggests a personal comparison is definitely in order if the option is available to you. But the odds are, if you do spot a difference between decent quality XLR and RCA cables it is NOT due to the cables themselves.

Keep in mind as well that XLR will be +6dB hotter -- by design; that's just how XLR works. Which means comparing XLR vs RCA requires careful attention to Volume matching to avoid the old trap that "louder always sounds better". Even a 0.5dB residual difference can be enough to bias your comparison.
--Bob
post #9578 of 11017
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Originally Posted by zindra View Post

The fan noise is so annoying that I've ended up putting my CD player back in place and using the Oppo just for video, which is a shame and an expensive mistake.
I've read previously in this thread that the fan cannot be disconected because the unit needs it to cool the laser, but the fan on mine is on even when using pure audio mode and playing music from a external HD. Oppo told me a while ago that they were considering the release of a firmware upgrade that would prevent the fan to go on when listening only to music, but this has not happened so far.
What could happen if I just get rid of the fan? Will the unit break, burn, explode...? Or will it just degrade over time? I don't care it it takes a few years, at least it will be usable for it's purpose.
Excuse me if my tone is angry but I am mad that this issue is present on an audiophile player, it completely defeats it's purpose.

I well understand you are angry. The fan in this player is very annoying. It seems that for enough many it works well and the noise of the fan is not very perceptible, but I personally (as you) were not in between that category of owners...In the same time, because of the (bad) design that fan have to be there and working. Is not about cooling the laser in the bluray transport, but is about pushing out the warm air inside the enclosure. There are many devices inside this player which develop unnecessary heat. The fan can be disconnected (take it out its plug), but this is really not recommended. There are some methods to remove that noise of the fan, but I will want to suggest you something else: as you already know, Oppo will come out (quite) soon with another version of this player which is fanless, and it seems to be a better quality than this BDP95. So, maybe is better you sell your player and wait a little bit more to buy a better one from the same Oppo... In fact, my opinion is that this Oppo player include much of high end technology (hardware), than other players in this class, but that technology is not used as it should. I do hope that the included hardware it will be better used in the future BDP103/105.
Edited by Coris - 9/11/12 at 9:20am
post #9579 of 11017
I agree with you.I bypassed the Preampli and have connected the OPPO 95 XLR Connectionse Directly to the 4 Monoaurals Amplis,with custom made XLR, CablesThe difference is quite audible.

Regards
Condegun
post #9580 of 11017
Thread Starter 
For those of you who have been waiting for it, OPPO has released their OPPO Remote Control for IP Control for Android devices last night.
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Control your OPPO Blu-ray Player from any Android device!

This is the public beta test version of the OPPO Remote Control app for OPPO Blu-ray Disc Players. It works with the OPPO BDP-93, BDP-95 and future player models. (BDP-83, BDP-80 and DVD players are not supported.) The controlling Android phone or tablet device must be connected to the same network as the Blu-ray player. Requires that the latest firmware is installed on the Blu-ray player. To obtain the latest player firmware, please visit OPPO Digital's web site.

This controller basically just emulates the IR controller of the player, so don't expect anything fancy like virtual keyboard or secondary monitor support.
post #9581 of 11017
As I said, Oppo emailed me saying they may release an upgrade to stop the fan working when it's not needed (as when playing music from an external HD or CD in pure audio mode), I still hope to see this happen. Buying a new version when it comes out is of course an option, an expensive solution though. It would be great if Oppo offered some sort of discount to previous owners (keep dreaming). I guess I jumped in to the wagon too early. What annoys me is that I read so many reviews from prestigious magazines and none clearly stated the fan noise problem.
post #9582 of 11017
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Coris View Post

Is not about cooling the laser in the bluray transport, but is about pushing out the warm air inside the enclosure.

It is not entirely because you need to remove air around the loader mechanism, but it is a partial reason. If the temperature in the loader reaches a certain point, the laser will stop working properly and will result in disc reading errors. To increase the performance of the player, the laser needs to be working at an optimal temperature. Unfortunately for the design of the BDP-95 and its massive analog audio board which sits above the loader, heat gets trapped between the audio board and the loader, thus resulting in unwanted playback errors.
post #9583 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

For those of you who have been waiting for it, OPPO has released their OPPO Remote Control for IP Control for Android devices last night.
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Control your OPPO Blu-ray Player from any Android device!

This is the public beta test version of the OPPO Remote Control app for OPPO Blu-ray Disc Players. It works with the OPPO BDP-93, BDP-95 and future player models. (BDP-83, BDP-80 and DVD players are not supported.) The controlling Android phone or tablet device must be connected to the same network as the Blu-ray player. Requires that the latest firmware is installed on the Blu-ray player. To obtain the latest player firmware, please visit OPPO Digital's web site.

This controller basically just emulates the IR controller of the player, so don't expect anything fancy like virtual keyboard or secondary monitor support.

Cool. Just downloaded. Looking forward to trying it out tonight.
post #9584 of 11017
When about XLR vs RCA, I may say that those interfaces are totally different as concept and functionality. The XLR is made for high/higher quality signal than RCA (which is more convenient for commercial reasons). If one will use the really professional and high quality XLR plug, cable, and further equipment will one for sure hear the difference... The XLR concept is adopted for minimises the noises in connected system. The RCA interface is a compromise between the costs of the equipment/design and the resulting connection quality. One may use the XLR interface when possible (accordingly with the corresponding equipment) to have a really high quality connection and high quality output in resulting audio signal... Is only benefit that Oppo chosen to offer such connection type for some models of their players.
post #9585 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

It is not entirely because you need to remove air around the loader mechanism, but it is a partial reason. If the temperature in the loader reaches a certain point, the laser will stop working properly and will result in disc reading errors. To increase the performance of the player, the laser needs to be working at an optimal temperature. Unfortunately for the design of the BDP-95 and its massive analog audio board which sits above the loader, heat gets trapped between the audio board and the loader, thus resulting in unwanted playback errors.

Sorry, but you may misunderstand the way the player really work as a system... Is right your theory about the laser inside the loader/transport. You may know that the loader is a well covered box inside the player enclosure. This loader is designed to function error less at quite high level temperature. The cooling of that laser inside the loader is made in such way that is not necessary to have an air flow from outside, inside that box. Spinning the disk generate by it self an enough air flow inside the loader. Is very unfortunate to have an coming from outside air flow (for cooling) inside a such dust sensitive device as this blu-ray transport is. That "massive" audio board in this player develop the less of the whole heat inside this player. The most of the errors in both video and audio stage may come (if case) from processor itself, which in this model work very hot. Is enough to work around for better cooling the main processor to register at once a big improvement first in video stage...
Much of the heat inside the player enclosure come from the quite bad designed serial power supply used for the audio board. The fan help in a (not enough) way to remove out of the enclosure a part of the hot air generated by the all system devices. The loader generate heat of course, but very less comparing with the processor and the analogue power supply...
post #9586 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Coris View Post

Sorry, but you may misunderstand the way the player really work as a system...

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post #9587 of 11017
From what I understand, if the power supply is the main source of the heat then there is no hope of a firmware upgrade to disconnect the fan for pure audio mode?
post #9588 of 11017
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Originally Posted by zindra View Post

From what I understand, if the power supply is the main source of the heat then there is no hope of a firmware upgrade to disconnect the fan for pure audio mode?

In pure audio mode the main processor is still working and generate enough heat. It have lot to do anyway... Heat generated by another devices inside the player contribute to the processor increasing temperature. The fan is triggered by the temperature sensor inside this processor. I seriously doubt about that fan will ever be disconnected through software/firmware. It may not be disconnected hardware anyway... Is the only way to remove the heat accumulated inside the player. If the processor as it is made have this thermal protection circuit which control that fan, then the fan have to run to maintain the processor temperature under an critical level. Is no chance to disconnected it without damage be done... One may find ways to reduce the fan noise, but this fan have to run anyway (in the design Oppo has chosen for this player model). Else everything (bad) can happen for the machine...
If you want, you can find another really low noise fan (the same dimensions), and replace the original. It may help well to get rid of the noise.
post #9589 of 11017
My 95 is about 18 months old now. Before, I can't hear when the fan is on or off. I'm only 5 feet away from it (I use it as a source for headphone listening). But now I can hear it when its on. Since its out of warranty I would like to replace the fan with a quiet one with the same or less power usage. Has anyone done this?
post #9590 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

My 95 is about 18 months old now. Before, I can't hear when the fan is on or off. I'm only 5 feet away from it (I use it as a source for headphone listening). But now I can hear it when its on. Since its out of warranty I would like to replace the fan with a quiet one with the same or less power usage. Has anyone done this?

Try cleaning the fan blades. I had a refrig that had a noisy fan. When vacuuming the coils I removed the back cover and cleaned dust that has adhered to the blades. It quieted t down quite a bit. I wouldn't take much for the fan to become unbalanced creating excess noise. Worth a shot. The key to a quiet fan is balance and airflow.
Edited by glangford - 9/11/12 at 4:44pm
post #9591 of 11017
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

Try cleaning the fan blades. I had a refrig that had a noisy fan. When vacuuming the coils I removed the back cover and cleaned dust that has adhered to the blades. It quieted t down quite a bit. I wouldn't take much for the fan to become unbalanced creating excess noise. Worth a shot. The key to a quiet fan is balance and airflow.

Thanks. I'll do that first.
post #9592 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

My 95 is about 18 months old now. Before, I can't hear when the fan is on or off. I'm only 5 feet away from it (I use it as a source for headphone listening). But now I can hear it when its on. Since its out of warranty I would like to replace the fan with a quiet one with the same or less power usage. Has anyone done this?

You can find some infos here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/190033-upgrading-modding-new-oppos-bdp-93-bdp-95-a-10.html
post #9593 of 11017
No problem with the fan here, but I will second Glangford's suggestion of cleaning it first. While your at it, see if there is a label with a model number on it. You should be able to get the specs online. One problem is that there aren't a lot of quiet 60mm fans out there that push a lot of air. The only ones that I recommend are the SilenX IXP-34-16. Of course, this assumes a 12V fan and 25mm of room to mount it. I used one in my HTPC and it was quite good.
post #9594 of 11017
"Earlier today Oppo posted a link on their facebook page to a beta version of an Android app that can be used for remote control. It requires the latest firmware. If you have an Android phone, search for "Oppo Remote Control" in the app store."
post #9595 of 11017
No iPhone app?
post #9596 of 11017
Thread Starter 
You can access the page directly at OPPO Remote Control.

iOS control is in development, but due to the difference in the authoring and certification process, OPPO does not know when this controller may be made available on the iTunes store.
post #9597 of 11017
glangford,
Not yet. It's expected to follow. OPPO Digital's manufacturing partner in China sells Android phones, so it's no surprise the Android version would come out first, given that experience to tap.
--Bob
post #9598 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

Thanks. I'll do that first.

Did you get a chance to clean it out? Did it make a difference?
post #9599 of 11017
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Originally Posted by realjetavenger View Post

Did you get a chance to clean it out? Did it make a difference?

Another way to get rid of the fan noise: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/190033-upgrading-modding-new-oppos-bdp-93-bdp-95-a-20.html#post3162379
A noise less fan is recommended to be used anyway...
post #9600 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Coris View Post

Another way to get rid of the fan noise: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/190033-upgrading-modding-new-oppos-bdp-93-bdp-95-a-20.html#post3162379
A noise less fan is recommended to be used anyway...

That's quite interesting. Glad I could remember my diyaudio id to see the pictures. Haven't been there for a while smile.gif
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