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post #9841 of 11017
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Originally Posted by darcman View Post

Hey everybody just thought Id share this.
I tried for the first time a little while ago streaming content to the 95. I used the same software I used for my PS3, PS3 Media Server. I had been running an older version V1.40. When I used it with the 95, I would get the message "unknown renderer". Well anyways I updated to the latest version of PS3 Media Server V1.70 and it now recognizes the 95...well it says Oppo 93 but what ever. Its kinda cool eh, site is www.ps3mediaserver.org.
Been checking out the 103/105. Looks like everything is better except for esata port delete and the dreaded CINAVIA!!!!!!


CINAVIA!! WTF! Oppo told me that they wold never sell out and put cinavia in their players. That's 1 of the reasons I bought the bd95 which has no Cinavia thank GOD!! If new updates have cinavia I hope I find out before downloading.

Calm down.

As has been repeated here many, many, many, ..., many times, OPPO is not obligated to add Cinavia to the 83/83se/93/95 players, and will not do so in future firmware. Those players are grandfathered in as regards Blu-ray licensing.

The newer 103/105 have Cinavia detection as is required for newly released players under Blu-ray licensing. Complaints to the Blu-ray Disc Association, please, and to studios like Sony who, despite all evidence to the contrary, continue to think this is a good idea.

Here, try some decaf.... biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #9842 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

What is Cinavia
Wikipedia is your friend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

--Bob
post #9843 of 11017
Is cinivia implementation possible on a 95 with a firmware update. I wonder. If so, is it possible the studiios could strong arm Oppo into implmentation as they did removing iso playback?

Sorry Bob, just saw your comment above about not doing so in future firmware. Still it makes you wonde sometimes.
post #9844 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes that is the only way I will be able to assess whether or not it sound better with the combo of 800Diamonds Classé SSP-800 and Classé CA-M600. I will try bypass and use Oppo XLR so that way the SSP-800 is just volume control biggrin.gif

We have similar components. My main setup has Classé CA-2200, Classé CA-5200, Integra DHC-80.3, Zektor MAS7.1, B&W 802 Diamonds, B&W 804 Diamonds, B&W 805 Diamonds, B&W HTM2 Diamond and REL R-505 Subs. The RELs were from my previous setup which has found its way to my family. This my main setup serves double duty, buit has been slanted towards 2 channel audio.smile.gif
post #9845 of 11017
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

We have similar components. My main setup has Classé CA-2200, Classé CA-5200, Integra DHC-80.3, Zektor MAS7.1, B&W 802 Diamonds, B&W 804 Diamonds, B&W 805 Diamonds, B&W HTM2 Diamond and REL R-505 Subs. The RELs were from my previous setup which has found its way to my family. This my main setup serves double duty, buit has been slanted towards 2 channel audio.smile.gif

Cool any pictures?
post #9846 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Wikipedia is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia--Bob

And the problem is? I guess it should only bother hackers! I buy all my blu ray movies from Amazon so I don't have an issue. It does'nt degrade the sound our picture just prevents crooks I guess rolleyes.gif
post #9847 of 11017

I have use the XLR>RCA from both the 95 &105. I do use XLR. However, for the short 3' run. I can not hear any differences between that setup and RCA>RCA.

The only benefit i can think of is if you had a snake-pit of cables and you were experiencing some form of interference...

 

db

Beta tester #9

post #9848 of 11017
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

And the problem is? I guess it should only bother hackers! I buy all my blu ray movies from Amazon so I don't have an issue. It does'nt degrade the sound our picture just prevents crooks I guess rolleyes.gif
It's a problem for those who want to rip their legally purchased movies onto a hard drive and avoid using the physical disc. Strictly speaking, ripping purchased Blu-ray discs is illegal (for reasons that really don't make any sense), but not in the same way as people who are downloading illegal copies off the internet or ripping rental discs before returning them to Netflix / Redbox to keep a copy in their collection. You definitely might want to put your flame suit on as this is a pretty sensitive subject for a lot of people smile.gif.
post #9849 of 11017
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

Is cinivia implementation possible on a 95 with a firmware update. I wonder. If so, is it possible the studiios could strong arm Oppo into implmentation as they did removing iso playback?

Sorry Bob, just saw your comment above about not doing so in future firmware. Still it makes you wonde sometimes.
Wonder away, but it's not going to happen. wink.gif
post #9850 of 11017
what htwaits said.

There's the old saying that nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes, but worrying about Cinavia in the 93/95 line of players is misplaced. If you really, really don't believe this in spite of all evidence to the contrary, don't automatically update the firmware. Not necessary IMO, but it's a fail-safe option.
post #9851 of 11017
That sucks. Glad mine does not have it!
post #9852 of 11017
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

what htwaits said.
There's the old saying that nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes, but worrying about Cinavia in the 93/95 line of players is misplaced. If you really, really don't believe this in spite of all evidence to the contrary, don't automatically update the firmware. Not necessary IMO, but it's a fail-safe option.
I'll definetly be careful about FW updates.
post #9853 of 11017
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Wonder away, but it's not going to happen. wink.gif

Are you sure??? Samsung ( which is much bigger than Oppo)put in Cinavia on one of the FW updates and i could'nt play any of my stored movies which i bought on BD and store in hard drive. AVI format saves me alot of room and has good picture quality. This way I don't have to fill another room with about 1,000 dvd's
post #9854 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Calm down.
As has been repeated here many, many, many, ..., many times, OPPO is not obligated to add Cinavia to the 83/83se/93/95 players, and will not do so in future firmware. Those players are grandfathered in as regards Blu-ray licensing.
The newer 103/105 have Cinavia detection as is required for newly released players under Blu-ray licensing. Complaints to the Blu-ray Disc Association, please, and to studios like Sony who, despite all evidence to the contrary, continue to think this is a good idea.
Here, try some decaf.... biggrin.gif
--Bob
I'm worse on decaf. biggrin.gif
post #9855 of 11017
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Originally Posted by jzetti5 View Post

Are you sure??? Samsung ( which is much bigger than Oppo)put in Cinavia on one of the FW updates and i could'nt play any of my stored movies which i bought on BD and store in hard drive. AVI format saves me alot of room and has good picture quality. This way I don't have to fill another room with about 1,000 dvd's

This is just wrong. Very few titles are affected by Cinavia protection. So unless every one of your stored titles is a Sony release with Cinavia protection, you can still play them on a Cinavia enabled player.

Cinavia ONLY affects titles that are released with the protection embedded, and VERY few are. (currently only Sony releases)

In any case it will never be an issue for the 93/95 model players.
post #9856 of 11017
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Cinavia ONLY affects titles that are released with the protection embedded, and VERY few are. (currently only Sony releases).

Not true. While Sony is by far the biggest believer in giving their money to verance for modifying the audio tracks on their movie releases to include the cinavia infection, other studios have also used cinavia. Hopefully these other studios realize what a waste of time and money it is and drop the idea completely. Sony is probably beyond hope, as they have always been fascinated with copy prevention schemes - none of which work for long - and I would bet none of which have ever increased sales or revenues for Sony. For now, the best thing to do is simply do not spend your money on cinavia infected equipment or titles.
post #9857 of 11017
Being new to the Oppo 95 (although not new to using multi-channel analogue outs: had to do this with my Denon 2200 "universal" player for DVD Audio and SACD), I am becoming a little confused about some issues regarding bass management, setting speaker distances etc when considering whether or not to play my multi-channel hi-res flac files of ripped DVD-As, and physical SACD discs, through the analogue outs vs using the hdmi to my NAD T775 HD.

Certainly when playing stereo-only flacs, i notice a drop in "oomph" - bass??

Haven't been able to decide how much this is due to the nature of analogue out, and the difference between my main L and R speakers (18+ yrs old AR M5s - so-called holographic) and my centre and surrounds (3-4 yr old Energy Connoseurs) which alway did seem to have a more pronounced bass. (Maybe I need to have my M5s checked - have occassionally heard strange noises under stress ie big explosions/rumble in movies)

I read (I think) that when using the analogue direct that one's receiver does not even apply the set speaker distances/balances, but only volume. But more surprising (to me) I also read (I think!!) that even the speaker distance settings in the Oppo 95 do not come into play when using the analogue out. ???

does this mean if one uses the Oppo analogue outs that you forsake all speaker balance settings (in both Oppo and receiver) for the sake of enjoying the superior Oppo DACS?

And esp if you are playing only stereo through the analogue outs, you are obviously relying on the bass capabilities of your FR and FL speakers.

I presume even the tone control (treble and bass) will not even be brought into play with analogue in source?

The DACs in my NAD may not be quite as good as the Oppos (I think they are Burr-Browns?) but if I am losing all benefits from setting speaker distances (in either NAD or Oppo) for multi-channel, then is there any real benefit in using the Oppo 95 DACs vs losing the extra bass management/speaker balances I get when feeding via hdmi to my NAD?

As well as the usual Dolby Pro Logic settings, my NAD also has an enhanced stereo setting, which means it will send signals to whatever speakers I have set as On in my NAD setup, including the centre and sub, without the (I presume, more?) artificial DSP processing of the various dolby pro logic choices.

I suppose what I am asking is, is using the Oppo 95's great DACS worth the tradeoff in loss of speaker management.

Personal (subjective) choice?

Comments, suggestions???
Edited by madaudio - 11/7/12 at 5:12am
post #9858 of 11017
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

I read (I think) that when using the analogue direct that one's receiver does not even apply the set speaker distances/balances, but only volume.
That's true in most cases. Most of the receivers / processors that do allow this sort of processing convert the signal to digital, apply the processing, and then convert it back to analog - very few do this without converting to digital. In order to take advantage of the analog outputs on the Oppo, you want to avoid converting the signal back to digital, so this is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

But more surprising (to me) I also read (I think!!) that even the speaker distance settings in the Oppo 95 do not come into play when using the analogue out. ???
No idea where you read that, but it's wrong. The speaker distance, size, and crossover settings on the Oppo apply only to the analog outputs. The digital outputs are unaffected by those settings. The only time these settings don't apply to the analog outputs is for SACD's if you keep the signal as DSD into the DAC - you need to allow the Oppo to convert DSD to PCM for the speaker settings to apply (there's a setup option for this). For everything else, the settings always apply to the analog outputs.
post #9859 of 11017
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

The speaker distance, size, and crossover settings on the Oppo apply only to the analog outputs. The digital outputs are unaffected by those settings. The only time these settings don't apply to the analog outputs is for SACD's if you keep the signal as DSD into the DAC - you need to allow the Oppo to convert DSD to PCM for the speaker settings to apply (there's a setup option for this). For everything else, the settings always apply to the analog outputs.

I may be imagining it, but DSD from my Oppo 95 to my Cary Cinema 11a (in bypass mode) seems to sound just a bit better on my system than PCM. Given that it's only an SACD issue, that I listen to SACDs mostly in XLR stereo, and that my LR mains have excellent LF extension, I've decided to use DSD. Even without speaker settings, surround music from SACDs can have an amazing sense of ambience. I'm getting hooked on Blu-ray as a music source, and the speaker settings seem to be active with those discs. Anyone else notice a difference between DSD and PCM, or am I imagining it?

db
post #9860 of 11017
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

I may be imagining it, but DSD from my Oppo 95 to my Cary Cinema 11a (in bypass mode) seems to sound just a bit better on my system than PCM. Given that it's only an SACD issue, that I listen to SACDs mostly in XLR stereo, and that my LR mains have excellent LF extension, I've decided to use DSD. Even without speaker settings, surround music from SACDs can have an amazing sense of ambience. I'm getting hooked on Blu-ray as a music source, and the speaker settings seem to be active with those discs. Anyone else notice a difference between DSD and PCM, or am I imagining it?
db

I share your comments via DSD xlr stereo playback as my mains cover LF extension very well, plus proper main speaker placement does help things out. DSD raw and uncut does sound better than PCM , as bad as I hate to coin the phrase "It sounds more analog" and less digital, it has better tonal structure, harmonics, ambiance and weight!
post #9861 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

Not true. While Sony is by far the biggest believer in giving their money to verance for modifying the audio tracks on their movie releases to include the cinavia infection, other studios have also used cinavia. Hopefully these other studios realize what a waste of time and money it is and drop the idea completely. Sony is probably beyond hope, as they have always been fascinated with copy prevention schemes - none of which work for long - and I would bet none of which have ever increased sales or revenues for Sony. For now, the best thing to do is simply do not spend your money on cinavia infected equipment or titles.

That is one of the reasons Sony is going bust!
post #9862 of 11017
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I share your comments via DSD xlr stereo playback as my mains cover LF extension very well, plus proper main speaker placement does help things out. DSD raw and uncut does sound better than PCM , as bad as I hate to coin the phrase "It sounds more analog" and less digital, it has better tonal structure, harmonics, ambiance and weight!

+1
post #9863 of 11017
I have been using my BDP95 since March last year, and without serious issues. I have the Oppo connected to my Rotel 1570 processor, 5.0 analog, as well as HDMI and spdif optical. When I play SACDs I use the analog input on the Rotel and have the audio over HDMI switched off on the Oppo. Other inputs from the Oppo I have configured to use the HDMI input on the Rotel for audio too, when watching Bluray and DVD, and when playing audio (FLAC) files. This works fine via the usb inputs and also via the network. Sound via Oppo analog out with hr flac files is better than decoded via the Rotel biggrin.gif

Some problems have started with HDMI handshakes that seem to come back. 95% of the time do I use the player for audio only, and now when playing files the playback is often interupted after 15 minutes or so, for several times when the handshake issues start. Even when shutting down everyhting and starting up TV first then Rotel and then Oppo it happens again. Quit annoying. Any thoughts on how to improve or resolve the issue?
post #9864 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Groot Geluid View Post

Some problems have started with HDMI handshakes that seem to come back. 95% of the time do I use the player for audio only, and now when playing files the playback is often interupted after 15 minutes or so, for several times when the handshake issues start. Even when shutting down everyhting and starting up TV first then Rotel and then Oppo it happens again. Quit annoying. Any thoughts on how to improve or resolve the issue?

Replace the HDMI cable.
post #9865 of 11017
I bought the new release Indiana Jones bluray box set and played Temple of doom. I have my rack close to my listening area and the 95 was clicking madly throughout the movie. I think there may be something with the technology of this new release that is confusing the 95.
post #9866 of 11017
Hello, i have recently bought oppo 95 and connect the dedicated stereo to one of my marantz pro analog stereo inputs. When i listen music there is no image shown on my tv to help navigate to music files.Is this a setting from the oppo or the pro?
post #9867 of 11017
Which unit is connected to your TV?
post #9868 of 11017
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

I bought the new release Indiana Jones bluray box set and played Temple of doom. I have my rack close to my listening area and the 95 was clicking madly throughout the movie. I think there may be something with the technology of this new release that is confusing the 95.
Try updating your firmware if you haven't done so in a while. The firmware released in August, #71-0723 caused DTS-HDMA tracks to exhibit the problems you referenced. I had the same experience and had sent my unit in for repair before they had identified that it was the official release of said firmware causing the problem.

Hope this helps.

ETA; I just re-read your post and realized that you could be talking about the player itself "clicking"? My problem was related to clicking sounds emminating from the speakers.
Edited by Torqdog - 11/10/12 at 9:04am
post #9869 of 11017
Does anyone know if I can play music threw my 95 via USB with my iPhone ?
post #9870 of 11017
I was one firmware release behind and just updated today so i can chek if that fixed it. The clicking is coming from the player itself as it tries to read this bluray discs. It was constant at times.
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