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post #9901 of 10430
11/23/12 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The 103/105 will decode the rear channel information in DD-EX and DTS-ES tracks.
Hi Bob,

I'm looking in the 103 manual to see what options it offers for decoding rear channels of 5.1 sources, but cannot find mention of it. Can you point me to where it is described? --Thanks!
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post #9902 of 10430
11/24/12 at 12:57am
^ There are no options.
--Bob
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post #9903 of 10430
11/24/12 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Hi Bob,
I'm looking in the 103 manual to see what options it offers for decoding rear channels of 5.1 sources, but cannot find mention of it. Can you point me to where it is described? --Thanks!

Maybe what he means is how to turn the rear channels on or off?

On the 95, it's Set-up, Audio Processing, Speaker Configuration, Down-mix (set to either LT/RT, Stereo, 5.1, or 7.1
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post #9904 of 10430
11/24/12 at 6:50pm
I've been having problems with initial audio delays when watching DTS-HD disks.
I'm using a single HDMI connection to a Marantz SR7002 and have no video problems, or problems with other non-HD audio codecs.

I'm running the latest firmware (which mentions something about fixing a related issue) but the update does not seem to have helped my situation.

Whenever the DTS-HD codec begins, I see video immediately but the receiver indicates "no audio" for 3-4 seconds before leaping into life and confirming DTS-HD is being decoded.
If I start/stop the playback and/or step back and repeat from the beginning of the material the receiver plays the audio without delay.

I've checked the receiver to make sure the input is configured for HDMI and not AUTO as I know that can result in delays to audio processing.
The oppo is set for bitstream via HDMI1 and I have no issues with the receiver actually performing the decoding once it actually begins to work.

Any suggestions?
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post #9905 of 10430
11/25/12 at 6:52pm
Thread Starter 
This is pretty much expected if you are using HDMI 1 direct to the receiver for audio and video.

Try using HDMI 1 direct to the display and HDMI 2 direct to the receiver for audio and see if the handshakes are faster.
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post #9906 of 10430
11/26/12 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by Prochambers View Post

I just got the BDP-95 this afternoon. So far the sound is totally an upgrade from the BDP-83. Going thru some premium material to really see the difference in sound quality. Now contemplating what I plan on doing with the BDP-83, will probably sell it soon. Let me go and play with my new toy some more. Later!

Latest update after burning in consistently for over last 30 days. All I can say is wow! The audio has greatly improved in many areas. By the way, I sold my -83 on ebay in like 20 minutes only $75. less than I orginally purchased it. Later!
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post #9907 of 10430
11/26/12 at 9:05pm
^ It's pretty cool that you can "rent" an OPPO BDP-83 for several years for as little as $75! biggrin.gif
--Bob
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post #9908 of 10430
11/27/12 at 3:03pm
I started a new thread but was asked to add it to this thread. I can never find responses to my questions in these huge, 331 page threads, but here goes. I got my oppo 95 to see my mac using servo and twonky. Tried them both since the problem was on both. I see my films, but all of my 2.35:1 aspect ratio blu ray films show in 16X9 and I can't correct it. No matter what I try; zoom, etc... Anyone know how to do this properly? My Directv HR24 maintains proper aspect ratio but streaming stutters. Therefore it seems to be an oppo issue. Any help would be great. Thanks
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post #9909 of 10430
11/27/12 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by adidadi View Post

I started a new thread but was asked to add it to this thread. I can never find responses to my questions in these huge, 331 page threads, but here goes. I got my oppo 95 to see my mac using servo and twonky. Tried them both since the problem was on both. I see my films, but all of my 2.35:1 aspect ratio blu ray films show in 16X9 and I can't correct it. No matter what I try; zoom, etc... Anyone know how to do this properly? My Directv HR24 maintains proper aspect ratio but streaming stutters. Therefore it seems to be an oppo issue. Any help would be great. Thanks

Set the player to WIDE/AUTO.

-Bill
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post #9910 of 10430
11/27/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by adidadi View Post

I started a new thread but was asked to add it to this thread. I can never find responses to my questions in these huge, 331 page threads, but here goes. I got my oppo 95 to see my mac using servo and twonky. Tried them both since the problem was on both. I see my films, but all of my 2.35:1 aspect ratio blu ray films show in 16X9 and I can't correct it. No matter what I try; zoom, etc... Anyone know how to do this properly? My Directv HR24 maintains proper aspect ratio but streaming stutters. Therefore it seems to be an oppo issue. Any help would be great. Thanks

Also make sure you are running current firmware. There was a bug fix a while ago where MKV files missing some dimension fields were displayed using the wrong defaults.

-Bill
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post #9911 of 10430
11/27/12 at 5:11pm
Does anyone have a support contact at bluraychip.dk? I recently received and installed their mod in my 93 and it doesn't appear to be working. Several emails to their info email address and to adm@tridane.dk have gone unanswered. Maybe they are too busy with the new 103/5 mod. rolleyes.gif
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post #9912 of 10430
11/27/12 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Set the player to WIDE/AUTO.
-Bill
I believe it is set to that in setup menu. My blurays play perfectly.
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post #9913 of 10430
11/27/12 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Also make sure you are running current firmware. There was a bug fix a while ago where MKV files missing some dimension fields were displayed using the wrong defaults.
-Bill
Firmware is current. I also realize I own the oppo 93 not 95. I should probably post there too.
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post #9914 of 10430
11/27/12 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by adidadi View Post

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Also make sure you are running current firmware. There was a bug fix a while ago where MKV files missing some dimension fields were displayed using the wrong defaults.
-Bill
Firmware is current. I also realize I own the oppo 93 not 95. I should probably post there too.

Both players are the same in this regard.

Blu-rays do not use any aspect control in the player.

4:3 DVDs and media files need it unless you are doing aspect control somewhere else down the display chain.

Please verify your WIDE/AUTO setting and firmware numbers.

Also that you are using a specific output resolution and not Source Direct.

-Bill
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post #9915 of 10430
11/27/12 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by EtheB View Post

I've been having problems with initial audio delays when watching DTS-HD disks.
I'm using a single HDMI connection to a Marantz SR7002 and have no video problems, or problems with other non-HD audio codecs.

I'm running the latest firmware (which mentions something about fixing a related issue) but the update does not seem to have helped my situation.

Whenever the DTS-HD codec begins, I see video immediately but the receiver indicates "no audio" for 3-4 seconds before leaping into life and confirming DTS-HD is being decoded.
If I start/stop the playback and/or step back and repeat from the beginning of the material the receiver plays the audio without delay.

I've checked the receiver to make sure the input is configured for HDMI and not AUTO as I know that can result in delays to audio processing.
The oppo is set for bitstream via HDMI1 and I have no issues with the receiver actually performing the decoding once it actually begins to work.

Any suggestions?

 

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

This is pretty much expected if you are using HDMI 1 direct to the receiver for audio and video.

Try using HDMI 1 direct to the display and HDMI 2 direct to the receiver for audio and see if the handshakes are faster.

 

Neuromancer ... for those of us who plan to use one cable to our display, are you saying this 3-4 second delay between audio and the video will always be there? This is new to me indeed!

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post #9916 of 10430
11/28/12 at 12:01am
Thread Starter 
It is a delay just displaying the image when there is a shift in the resolution, and not an audio/video synchronization delay. You will just momentarily lose the video when there is a change in the resolution. Not a big deal.
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post #9917 of 10430
11/28/12 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

It is a delay just displaying the image when there is a shift in the resolution, and not an audio/video synchronization delay. You will just momentarily lose the video when there is a change in the resolution. Not a big deal.

The delay I am experiencing is not video in nature.
It is a delay in the audio.
The first 3-4 seconds of the DTS-HD audio (bitstreamed) is missing. There is no sound. The receiver indicates there is nothing to decode.
Once the codec is detected, all is then well.
Upon subsequent play throughs of the same section, there is no delay in audio.
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post #9918 of 10430
11/28/12 at 10:54am
Thread Starter 
Try upgrading the receiver's firmware as it may be out of date. Try upgrading the player's firmware as it may be out of date.

In my configuration there is a major video delay (my Integra adds 5 seconds of delay and my JVC adds an additional 5 seconds of delay). Audio is always instantly recognized, but the video is not.
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post #9919 of 10430
11/28/12 at 10:29pm
You guys got it right: auto/wide solved it. Mine was wide. Thanks guys
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post #9920 of 10430
11/28/12 at 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

It is a delay just displaying the image when there is a shift in the resolution, and not an audio/video synchronization delay. You will just momentarily lose the video when there is a change in the resolution. Not a big deal.

 

My system (95, Anthem D2v and Pioneer KURO) doesn't seem to exhibit this delay when bitstreaming, at least none that i've noticed. If its there, then it much less than a second.

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post #9921 of 10430
11/28/12 at 10:44pm
There are three aspects to audio or video startup delay. First is the time needed for the source to organize the new output format. Second is the HDMI handshake time. And third is the time needed by the receiving device to recognize the new data format and believe the incoming data is well formed for rendering.

The speed of processing in the source and destination is difficult to alter. LPCM is often faster than Bitstream. /60 video is often faster than /24. But really the only big change would come from swapping out for a faster device.

However, the speed of the HDMI handshake is something you CAN address. Anything that improves the reliability of the cabling will minimize the need for handshake retries for example. And that is directly related to signal startup delays.
--Bob
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post #9922 of 10430
11/29/12 at 12:22am
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Originally Posted by adidadi View Post

You guys got it right: auto/wide solved it. Mine was wide. Thanks guys
Either thread (93 or 95) will work for video, but if you become active in the 93 thread, you won't have to deal with all the audio information that's specific to the 95. Enjoy. wink.gif
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post #9923 of 10430
11/29/12 at 8:36am
[These results were from an OPPO-93, but I suspect it may be the same for the OPPO-95 and maybe even the 103/105 models]

I have been testing if the OPPO-93 is bit-perfect as a transport using my Audiolab M-DAC's bit-perfect test.

I burnt the test wav files to a CD-R as CDDA format. If I set OPPO's HDCD Decode to ON and play the disc, the digital output from the OPPO is NOT bit-perfect! If I set OPPO's HDCD Decode to OFF, the digital output from the OPPO is bit-perfect.

For some insight, I have a HDMI->SPDIF box connected to my OPPO-93, and the SPDIF output is connected to the M-DAC. When OPPO's HDCD Decode to ON, regardless if the CD is a regular CD or a HDCD, the digital output from HDMI->SPDIF is 24bits 44.1kHz (as read from the M-DAC display). It is not surprising that this happens on the HDMI output for non-HDCDs (to implement the -6db digitally when HDCD decode is ON), but surprisingly, this seems to affect the regular 16-bits optical/coax digital output of the OPPO too, making the regular optical/coax digital output non bit-perfect when playing non-HDCDs.

So, for those who want to make sure that their OPPO-93 is sending the exact same bits from the CD to the DAC, remember to check and set your HDCD Decode option to OFF!

Leon
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post #9924 of 10430
11/29/12 at 4:45pm

^^^ Please report to Oppo so that they can duplicate the problem and if successful, then workout a firmware fix, if possible.

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post #9925 of 10430
11/29/12 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

^^^ Please report to Oppo so that they can duplicate the problem and if successful, then workout a firmware fix, if possible.
I'm not sure this is a problem. It might simply be that HDCD's filter is active in the signal path feeding the S/PDIF.
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post #9926 of 10430
11/30/12 at 12:55am

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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

^^^ Please report to Oppo so that they can duplicate the problem and if successful, then workout a firmware fix, if possible.
I'm not sure this is a problem. It might simply be that HDCD's filter is active in the signal path feeding the S/PDIF.

 

Got it ... read your reply in the 93 forum (?) and agree that the precision digital filter that's part of the HDCD decoding process is the most likely cause of the 'problem' the original poster observed.

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post #9927 of 10430
11/30/12 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by travelfotografer View Post

[These results were from an OPPO-93, but I suspect it may be the same for the OPPO-95 and maybe even the 103/105 models]

I have been testing if the OPPO-93 is bit-perfect as a transport using my Audiolab M-DAC's bit-perfect test.

I burnt the test wav files to a CD-R as CDDA format. If I set OPPO's HDCD Decode to ON and play the disc, the digital output from the OPPO is NOT bit-perfect! If I set OPPO's HDCD Decode to OFF, the digital output from the OPPO is bit-perfect.

For some insight, I have a HDMI->SPDIF box connected to my OPPO-93, and the SPDIF output is connected to the M-DAC. When OPPO's HDCD Decode to ON, regardless if the CD is a regular CD or a HDCD, the digital output from HDMI->SPDIF is 24bits 44.1kHz (as read from the M-DAC display). It is not surprising that this happens on the HDMI output for non-HDCDs (to implement the -6db digitally when HDCD decode is ON), but surprisingly, this seems to affect the regular 16-bits optical/coax digital output of the OPPO too, making the regular optical/coax digital output non bit-perfect when playing non-HDCDs.

So, for those who want to make sure that their OPPO-93 is sending the exact same bits from the CD to the DAC, remember to check and set your HDCD Decode option to OFF!

Leon

The S/PDIF (Optical/Coax) outputs are capable of carrying 24-bit stereo LPCM, so why not?

HDCD is 20-bit data encoded as 16-bit data (with the side effect of raising the noise floor a tad). When decoded, the OPPO outputs the 20-bit result packed into 24-bit with padding zeroes.

Are you sure the "bit perfect" test isn't simply complaining that the stream is 24-bit instead of 16-bit? When playing a non-HDCD disc, the 24-bit stream should be a bit perfect representation of the 16-bit original, just packed into 24 bits with padding zeroes.

It may not be a "filter" issue at all, but rather that the "bit perfect" test is being more picky than makes sense.
--Bob
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post #9928 of 10430
11/30/12 at 7:42am
Can some recommend a harddrive to go with my 95, I'm about to get one for my gal, and will be buying one for me as well but wanted to make sure they're compatible with the 95. I've heard some folks had issues with the amount of TB or something as such.

Thanks

Djoel
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post #9929 of 10430
11/30/12 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Can some recommend a harddrive to go with my 95, I'm about to get one for my gal, and will be buying one for me as well but wanted to make sure they're compatible with the 95. I've heard some folks had issues with the amount of TB or something as such.

Thanks

Djoel

That's romantic.

The restriction is that 2TB is the max and it must use the older MBR disc partitioning scheme, not the newer GPT which allows >2TB.

People are using a variety of units. You want USB-powered or external powered? The former works but the latter really works.

The popup-toaster docks are popular: you just swap the bare drives.

-Bill
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post #9930 of 10430
11/30/12 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

That's romantic.
The restriction is that 2TB is the max and it must use the older MBR disc partitioning scheme, not the newer GPT which allows >2TB.
People are using a variety of units. You want USB-powered or external powered? The former works but the latter really works.
The popup-toaster docks are popular: you just swap the bare drives.
-Bill


Glad you said it, I'll be showing her this post Bill tongue.gif Once I get her the HD.


What's the difference between USB- powered sound more convenient no?

Popup- toaster, poptarts, what now confused.gif ?!?!?

Swap bare drives, you mean physically, I can be handy but the thought of me handling all that data in the tips of my finger sound disastrous!

Thanks for the info

DJoel
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