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post #31 of 75
When I got mine even the door wouldn't open. I fully erased, and brought back to factory settings, then did firmware update...now everything works except the divx/youtube thing. Netflix works bout as good as on my PS3 and this unit is much quieter...Pandora works good too.

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post #32 of 75
The BDP-43FD will not output 480i via HDMI, based on what I understood after I downloaded and read its manual. The problem with this is that if you have a receiver or display with high-end video processing, this player won't let you take full advantage of an external processor's deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities.

Unlike Pioneer's 2009 lineup, this player supports up to 36-bit color. The 2009 models supported up to 48-bit color.

Boy am I glad I got a good deal on one of the last BDP-23FDs back in February when I did!
post #33 of 75
Looks and sounds great! Load times are lightning fast compared to my old BDP-94HD. Would like to try streaming some NetFlix, but am wondering when the wireless LAN will be available in the USA? Can't find the AS-WL200 dongle anywhere yet. Anyone heard? I could string a cable down the hall to my router, but..........
post #34 of 75
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Originally Posted by couchcat View Post

Looks and sounds great! Load times are lightning fast compared to my old BDP-94HD. Would like to try streaming some NetFlix, but am wondering when the wireless LAN will be available in the USA? Can't find the AS-WL200 dongle anywhere yet. Anyone heard? I could string a cable down the hall to my router, but..........

How is picture quality and audio quality compared to your 94HD? I stil have the original HD1 and I am afraid to replace it since it works awesome! The only real piece that I am missing is the ability to internally decode DTS-MA on the HD1, but not really that big of a deal though. I still am pissed that Pioneer is building these Pioneer/Sharp Blu-ray players after the Pioneer only players that were building.
post #35 of 75
I just got my new 43FD. Streaming quality is good, picture output is great, sound output is good (my hearing isn't good enough to know great). On the bad side the same complaints as a couple of the others. Controls response is ridiculously slow and the most important feature on the player is the power cable that can easily be disconnected at the box. I've only had it a couple of days and I've had to force power off several times because it hangs in power off or mode switching states. Checked and I'm at the highest level firmware. For what this player cost the poor operations is shameful. This will be my last Pioneer device if the firmware doesn't get fixed ASAP..... and I see there are already many updates that have come out. Apparently testing was a cost they couldn't afford.
post #36 of 75
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Originally Posted by DonSJ View Post
I just got my new 43FD. Streaming quality is good, picture output is great, sound output is good (my hearing isn't good enough to know great). On the bad side the same complaints as a couple of the others. Controls response is ridiculously slow and the most important feature on the player is the power cable that can easily be disconnected at the box. I've only had it a couple of days and I've had to force power off several times because it hangs in power off or mode switching states. Checked and I'm at the highest level firmware. For what this player cost the poor operations is shameful. This will be my last Pioneer device if the firmware doesn't get fixed ASAP..... and I see there are already many updates that have come out. Apparently testing was a cost they couldn't afford.
This is the reason I will not be replacing my HD1 anytime soon. I have never experienced any hangups that I had to power off my HD1, and it is 4 1/2 years old! It just sucks that there are no more pure Pioneer blu-ray players being made anymore.
post #37 of 75
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

The BDP-43FD will not output 480i via HDMI, based on what I understood after I downloaded and read its manual. The problem with this is that if you have a receiver or display with high-end video processing, this player won't let you take full advantage of an external processor's deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities.

Unlike Pioneer's 2009 lineup, this player supports up to 36-bit color. The 2009 models supported up to 48-bit color.

Boy am I glad I got a good deal on one of the last BDP-23FDs back in February when I did!

Am I right about no 480i via HDMI?
post #38 of 75
I bought a BDP-330 yesterday. I was not impressed with the clunkiness and noises it made. I read a review that hammered it but what they said was at the $299 list it was way overpriced for it's features. I took it back to BB today and told the manager in Magnolia what I experienced. I had a Samsung in my hand to trade off. I got the BDP-330 for $129. The Samsung I was going to get, I think the model was 5300, was the same price....$129.

The manager, who seemed to know his stuff because I mentioned the Pioneer was a Sharp in Pioneer clothing. He said yes but... parts of the internals are Pioneer technology... he said the Samsung was a significant step down with respect to video capability. Plus the Pioneer has PQLS.

I said I really did not like the way this 330 operated. I asked him what he thought once more. They had the BDP 41FD on the rack I noticed it had a better remote than the 330 but I said to him "it looks exactly like the 330. Isn't it going to be just as clunky?"

He couldn't answer that but he highly recommended that I try it. He said it was simply a better unit overall over the 330. I really wanted the Elite to finish the Elite look. Bad motivation but anyway he gave me 10% off for my trouble and I brought the 41FD home for $359.99.

I set it up and turned it on. The door wouldn't open. I was ready to just pack it up. I turned it off with the front power button and then turned it back on. Door started working fine. Chalk it up to initialization.

What I did see was that even though the overall package and front panel design looked identical to the 330 with the exception of the Elite insignia, once it is turned on it looks great. The 330 had the blue display. The Elite has the orange display just like my SC-05 Receiver. Just has the full Elite look when it's on.

So I threw in a demo BluRay. The first thing I noticed was it mechanically sound so much better then the 330. You could hardly hear the mechanism operating. I was pleasantly surprised with that.

Operating it so far, going through the menus on the disc, image quality... so far I'm very happy with this unit.

We'll see how it holds up and performs as I use more. I like the USB port out front. It had no problem reading a thumbdrive I had handy.
post #39 of 75
Another update.

Some were complaining about operations not working until the current one was complete.

I think it needs to be fully initialized in the beginning before it works as expected. I had no issue when I pressed the "Eject Disc" button on the remote while a disc was playing. It stopped and opened the door.

The more I use it the more I like it. If I run into any issues I will bring them up.

I may be running an Ethernet cable to it in the near future.
post #40 of 75
OK it won't close the tray if you hit the play button on the remote. Like someone said earlier, you do have to close the door first then hit play. Doesn't make sense but it's not the end of the world. It still all works from the remote.

I love the supplied remote. It has a set of buttons for TV and one for Receiver.
I can control the entire system from the BD remote when watching from the BD.

Since I have the SC-05 Receiver, it's remote is almost the same so there's no relearning and stop and think using different remotes from different manufacturers.

Watched The Matrix tonight.
post #41 of 75
Thread Starter 
The player is not designed well, pioneer should be ashamed to release this. I wish I never bought one. Don't even get me started, the user interface is utterly ridiculous. How any executives at pioneer decided this was good enough to be a product is beyond me. It's like didn't they use it for a couple of days? This player is behind the curve and a joke as an elite or flagship for the high price. Somebody should be fired.
post #42 of 75
Tell us how you really feel LOL.

Actually I have no problem with the interface. I was able to pretty much figure out the menu system of the interface without the manual and didn't have any issues understanding most of it.

I do agree with you that Pioneer has not outdone itself on this one. The overall unit could be a few notches higher with respect to it's operation.

I can tell you this. I put in a disc and it plays very well. I believe the BD disc themselves are a little more work for these players to read and navigate. The old regular DVD players seemed to get up and going much faster. I'm not sure we can blame that on the manufacturer of the player. From all of the reviews I have been reading there are a lot of "cons" against a lot of brands out there which made it very difficult for me to choose one. Sony had some of the worst remarks with respect to load speeds. Many of the negatives were related to load speed and initialization time. I found this player to not be all that bad with those tasks.

One question I have is about the audio out setting. I'm not sure which to use but I ended up using bitstream. I guess you have a choice on what unit does the decoding? Since I have the Pioneer SC-05 AVR which does the decoding itself, is bitstream what I should be using? I have the SC-05 set on Auto.

Tell me specifically what you don't like about the user interface. You could easily have demo'd the unit at the store before you bought it. Typically when purchasing audio/video equipment that is twice the price of the mainstream product, we know what we are getting before we hand them the card.

I was looking at the Oppo 95. $1000 Lot's of great stuff in it and lots of output options on the back panel. I have no use for any of the added outputs back there. Internally it's probably got all of the best. What I saw interesting is the time display looks to be the exact same one used on my BDP-41FD. To be honest, I don't see where $650 more will get me enough added value compared to the Pioneer. I'm an audiophile but not and "extreme audiophile". There are some things so subtle that I won't pay three times the price to get it.

And to be honest, once my HT has been set up, basically I drop a disc in the player and off we go. No longer need to go to the interface or pretty much anyplace else except "Play" and "Menu".
post #43 of 75
Thread Starter 
I bought this player directly from pioneer, it was shipped to home. Best buy does not carry the 43fd. The user interface control response is not acceptable. I really don't have time to Type to you all the problems.
post #44 of 75
Pioneer is still developing firmware for their pure-Pioneer, non-Sharp designs. I think they still are manufacturing the BDP-V6000 professional Blu-ray player, which is a tweaked version of the BDP-320/23FD. They still make their own A/V receivers. Considering the above, it makes me wonder if they are really going to stick with Sharp-designed players permanently.
post #45 of 75
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Originally Posted by Los Angeles View Post
I bought this player directly from pioneer, it was shipped to home. Best buy does not carry the 43fd. The user interface control response is not acceptable. I really don't have time to Type to you all the problems.
Here's my list of problems.

Tray won't close when you press play. You have to push the "Close Tray" before hitting play.

All the 43FD is, is $100 more for a heavier chassis. The manual is the same for both units. There are no places in the manual that distinguish between the two including specifications.
post #46 of 75
I don't own this anymore, but here is my list of problems that had me return it.

Random freezes that required pulling the plug to restart the unit.
Poor format support (very limited supported formats video and audio)
Poorer video and audio performance compared to even older Pioneer players.
Anemic streaming options.
Felt much like a cheaper player even with the heavier chassis.
Shipped with incorrect remote in a FACTORY SEALED BOX.
Horrible price to enjoy all these missing features. (should have been MUCH cheaper)
Upconversion of dvd's is much better on other similarly priced Universal players.

There are most of them for you.
post #47 of 75
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Originally Posted by Toothaiker View Post

I don't own this anymore, but here is my list of problems that had me return it.

Random freezes that required pulling the plug to restart the unit.
Poor format support (very limited supported formats video and audio)
Poorer video and audio performance compared to even older Pioneer players.
Anemic streaming options.
Felt much like a cheaper player even with the heavier chassis.
Shipped with incorrect remote in a FACTORY SEALED BOX.
Horrible price to enjoy all these missing features. (should have been MUCH cheaper)
Upconversion of dvd's is much better on other similarly priced Universal players.

There are most of them for you.

What did you replace it with?

To be honest with you, most of your list is padded negatively.
Do you have any data to verify the upconversion and the poorer video? These units are supposed to be equipped with Pioneer's premium video processors.
Streaming? What do you need? Mine has Netflix, Youtube, Pandora. I won't use any of them.
I don't have any random freezes.
Format support.... I play Blue Ray, DVD and CD's. It covers everything I have in my library which isn't anything special.

Granted I'm not the biggest audiophile out there I will admit and even though it sounds like I'm sticking up for this machine, I'm just being honest about my experience and what I use it for.

I put a disc in it, it plays. The video quality on my 65" Pany Plasma is excellent. The sound is the same... excellent. No unusual issues with either.

I paid $359 for it just to get the "Elite" look LOL.
post #48 of 75
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk View Post

These units are supposed to be equipped with Pioneer's premium video processors.

Pioneer doesn't have any premium video processor other than its amazingly beautiful de-interlacer(i/p converter). Their best player, the BDP-09 upscales beautifully using Marvel Qdeo upscaling chip and de-interlace everything using Pioneer's de-interlacing chip.
post #49 of 75
mrrishcuk

Of course the list is padded negatively! As stated above those are the reasons I RETURNED it, not the things I thought it did well. Someone asked for a list of problems...I gave them.

Good for you that you could purchase is for $360! That's closer to what it's worth. It cost me $500. For that, I can get a player that will play FLAC, SACD's, stream all my home movies without too much trouble on my network, offer more streaming services (youtube and pandora are throw-away services IMHO), and perform snappier with better VQ per my direct comparison on my 110" screen and JVC hd550 projector.

I am far from the only one with issues of the unit freezing. You can read other people's experience with it and the identical 41fd unit on these boards alone. I'm glad your unit has no freezing issues. Probably because you haven't used any of the streaming services on it. Most of mine occurred trying to enter or exit those.

Point is, at retail this unit is a ripoff. My panny upstairs does a better/headache free job at $200.
post #50 of 75
Thanks guys. I must say this was a lesson for me.
post #51 of 75
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk View Post

Thanks guys. I must say this was a lesson for me.

Sorry for sounding like I was on a tirade right there. On a positive note, aside the freezing risk, you won't be disappointed with Netflix on it. It has the best version of the interface available. I also didn't notice any hdmi issues like I have with my Oppo and Denon.

I guess I'm just still sore at the HT guys who sold me this unit and tried claiming it was exactly like Pioneer's older units in build and performance (Pioneer does it well when they build it themselves).

I like Pioneer and secretly hope these units fail enough for them to start building what I consider proper ones (and their displays) again on their own. And if you want to know, I was looking at this, the Denon 1611/2011 (which never came out!) and the Oppo 93 for whatever it's worth.
post #52 of 75
Yup, I'm wishing for a replacement of BDP-09 but with 3D capability, double the power load speed (currently at 35 secs, I'd take 17 second band be merry) and at least one HDMI input so the internal scaler and de-interlacer can be used for other equipment too.
post #53 of 75
Thread Starter 
Pioneer has ripped everyone off who bought this unit, including me. I also own an sc37. In any event my wall mart samsung performs way way better than the 43fd. Going behind a fully loaded 500 pound video wall to unplug the power every week is unforgivable and really just plain sick. I would love to have someone from pioneer comment on how they have fairly served customers with this. I want a refund to be honest, but I simply don't have the energy for a customer service battle. I bought this factory direct, not from a store, or it would have been back in ten days. The management team who developed and approved this unit should be sent home for wrecking the reputation of the elite name. It can't even perform at a basic level without a weekly problem of some sort, the processor is so slow it must be from 1987. Total customer rip off. Do not buy this unit at any price. And I LOVE my pioneer sc37, but the 43fd is a joke, and in this case jokes on me.
post #54 of 75
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Originally Posted by Los Angeles View Post

Pioneer has ripped everyone off who bought this unit, including me. I also own an sc37. In any event my wall mart samsung performs way way better than the 43fd. Going behind a fully loaded 500 pound video wall to unplug the power every week is unforgivable and really just plain sick. I would love to have someone from pioneer comment on how they have fairly served customers with this. I want a refund to be honest, but I simply don't have the energy for a customer service battle. I bought this factory direct, not from a store, or it would have been back in ten days. The management team who developed and approved this unit should be sent home for wrecking the reputation of the elite name. It can't even perform at a basic level without a weekly problem of some sort, the processor is so slow it must be from 1987. Total customer rip off. Do not buy this unit at any price. And I LOVE my pioneer sc37, but the 43fd is a joke, and in this case jokes on me.

If you have an SC-37, by all means, you should get your hands on an Elite BDP-23FD! It's a pure Pioneer design. It supports 48-bit deep color and multi-channel PQLS. It will cosmeticly match your A/V receiver nicely. I hope Pioneer Pioneer stops with these Sharp players within the next few years. I could be wrong, but considering that the BDP-V6000 is still being manufactured, as well as their own receivers, I have a good feeling that they'll come out of their hole within the next few years.
post #55 of 75
It is such a shame that Pioneer went this route with their joint venture with Sharp since their earlier Blu-ray players are awesome! I still have my HD1 4 1/2 years later and will not be replacing it anytime soon unless Pioneer decides to build Pioneer only players again! I remember the days when Chris Walker was on AVS everyday, everything was great over at Pioneer and Kuros were still being manufactured. Boy am I glad that I was able to find a Kuro last year, because the TVs being made now by every other manufacturer are just plain horrible!...and now Philips is abandoning the TV business as well, or at least not producing their own anymore!
post #56 of 75
You guys should look at this latest BD player for the Japanese market:

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/img/av.../pio2.jpg.html

It looks even cheaper than the Sharp's current lineup. It is very sad indeed.
post #57 of 75
They better not charge more than $80 for it!
post #58 of 75
I'm going to return my 41FD.

Looking at the OPPO 93. Any other suggestions, thoughts?
post #59 of 75
IMHO, there is no better player out there at the moment.
However, if you don't need anything else but play BD and DVD, Sony S-780 or Panny BDT-310 offer a better value at 50% the price of the Oppo 93
post #60 of 75
I returned it yesterday without a question. Best Buy... less than thirty days.

I was going to get the Pany 310 since my plasma is a Pany but apparently it's not out yet. Almost got the 210 but I found a 310 online, pre-order free shipping for the same price.

On edit... picking up a 210 today. BB has it for $169.99. I don't need the second HDMI port which is pretty much all the 310 has.
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