After 2 cracked Pioneer KRP600Ms, I'm looking for a new TV. - Page 3

They don't. Especially when they have non defeatable detail enhancers. If sharpening floats your boat, there is a sharpness control on the Kuro, just like there is on all displays.

I'll attest to this. I actually prefer some enhancement on my KRP, although I'll occasionally switch back to Pure w/o enhancements enabled for SD/DVD content. Kuros have great processing, but it's nice to be able to switch on a mode that's smoother with 0 noise on low def content (i.e. like you'd see on a quality, high end 720p set... few of which are available to purchase anymore and would be worse in other areas).

Options for how you want to adjust your picture are always better and a set (the Samsungs) that limits that and automatically sharpens the image regardless of whether you want that inherently fails on that front.

Someone seems to be making a complete fool of himself in this thread. Guess some things never change.

Back to processing again. I must have posted several times weaknesses of Kuros as tested in reviews. They tend to be similar to Pannies but the Samsungs just do a superior job.

That said I also accept that Kuro is a cult. Like other religions, facts and data are just ignored or marginalized if it counters beliefs. So feel free to indulge in your flights of fancy.

Even after a year's absence, it's the same old same old:

a) claim Samsung is superior and that people who say the Kuro is better are part of a cult;

b) make false statements about actual Kuro performance;

c) pit oddball outlier reviews prepared by people who didn't know what they were doing against factual evidence in the form of reliable measurement attained by the best people in the business using the most reliable equipment; and

d) claim victory and say that people who say the Kuro is better are part of a cult.

Rinse and repeat.

Hasn't Samsungs processing been unable to do proper 24p for going on three years now?

Yes, they do. The high-end Samsungs have better processing than the old Pioneers, with the exception of 24p (which I always qualify). The LED C8000/C9000 are even better than the C8000 plasma. Yes, I have run them side by side, C8000 plasma next to C8000 LED.

You can deny it all you want, but you are the one who says you would never have a Samsung in your home. So if you have never had a Samsung in your home, running side by side with your Kuros, how would you know? I have had plenty of Samsungs in my home right next to my Kuro, and the Samsungs have overall better processing. There is no reason for me to make it up. It's a fact. Even the reviews bear this out, as Samsung is almost always universally praised for its excellent processing.

You and D-Nice do not know what you are talking about. Try tunning a high-end Samsung side by side next to your Kuro in your home for many hours, like I have, and unless you are as blind as a bat, you will see superior processing on the Samsung.

Not a knock on Kuro, which of course, is not current, but out of date. If Pioneer was still in the business, perhaps they would be out front, but they are not.

The Kuros are wonderful, and deliver a superior pic compared to the Samsungs, because of the superior contrast, better implementation of 24p, and less line-bleed, but on processing, Samsung has surpassed them.

Just face up to the facts, ok?

De Nile is a river in Egypt.

I can cite multiple reviews from mainstream sources that criticize the processing of the Kuros, and I can also cite many mainstream reviews that universally praise the Samsungs for their excellent processing.

Denial is a river in Egypt, Kuro idolaters.

Samsung can do a proper 24p, as long as you don't mind lighter blacks. Since I can not tolerate the lighter blacks, I consider CInema Smooth as it is currently implemented...worthless.

But Samsung clearly surpasses Kuro in other processing benchmarks, including beating them on tests from their very own Kuro demo disc!

Listen Kuro idolaters: set your Kuro side by side with a C8000, and get a copy of the 2007 Kuro demonstration disc, and then get back to me.

How old are you 10? You are arguing with one of the most respected persons in the home theater business (D-Nice), most people are laughing at you, I just think your posts sound foolish.

Silly question but what is "processing" and how does it effect picture quality?

So I guess those other respected reviewers who differ are just idiots huh!

No,but your multiple post claiming the Samsung LCD's that are not even as good as the 8500 or 950 they made in the past are better then a Pioneer Elite are ridiculous, it is apparent you don't believe your own post that is why you keep repeating them.

When will you be going away again with your own cultish fanaticism?

I think D-Nice's years of professional calibration and a/v experience trumps your subjective living room comparison.

Nonsense, this is the only proper viewing environment for a tv:

I don't tune, I calibrate. KNOW and UNDERSTAND the difference. Anytime you want to be educated in person on what you seem not to know about Samsung's processing, you let me know. I will be in the NW in a few months and will gladly stop by for this tutorial. No charge.

You are correct, I will never by Samsung products for my home. That however does not mean I do not, and have not, calibrated and tested their products. They make great displays. However, their processing, just like other manufacturers, have issues. A Non-defeatable sharpener is one of them.

And to answer your question, YES I have had calibrated Samsungs next to calibrated Kuros for testing and experimentation purposes. Have you ever seen a properly calibrated Kuro next to a properly calibrated Samsung? In a controlled environment?

Apod never fails to amaze!

Very simple, the KURO is the Ferrari of makes. There are more expensive, bigger sizes, & other little things, but in the end: you just can't beat the KURO - end of story

Huh? When did I make claims about Samsung LCDs?

Now now vinnie. I've only been back a few months and I've worn out my welcome with you?

Nice pick dlp. Where did you get that?

Well, I'm glad D-nice admits kuros don't have perfect processing. Again though, other professional reviewers have always stated the excellence of Sammy processing with never a complaint about sharpness. In fact it's details seems cherished by these reviewers. Kuros fall just short of this.

By the way, has the op decided what direction he/she is going in? After all this I'd get a kick out of this if the op went with a Vizio LCD!

A superior pic , superior contrast , better implementation of 24p and less line-bleed sounds like something that the KURO's must process.

So i think Pioneer surpassed Samsung on processing!

KURO is still KING , looks like we will have to wait to see what 2012 brings us. Either a TV that surpasses the kuro or the end of the world , hah

By the way, is the calibrator making an assumption about a non-defeatable sharpness in the Sammy plasmas? I'm not sure if he is familiar with the circuit.
I know some pieces of electronics go into a bypass mode if no enhancement is selected with no need for a separate defeat switch.

I'm not making assumptions. I calibrate Samsungs all the time (last one, C7000, was this past Saturday). Guess what I found.... non-defeatable sharpener with a sharpness setting of 0 and all "enhancers" turned off.

You killed it in this thread with your multiple post attacks. ;-)

You 2 sammy loving clowns are ridiculous pushing your processing mantra. WHO CARES? With the plethora of high def channels and bluray, most people watch the vast majority of content in high def anyway. What do you watch discoboy, vhs tapes of Saturday Night Fever? And your processed sammy image looks fake with the horrible edge enhancement. A calibrated 500M or other 9G will devastate any sammy heads-up.

discoboy huh.
Anyway you inadvertently make Sammy's point on good processing. I can still watch Saturday Night Fever VHS tapes with good results because of good processing. You clearly don't have that option.
By the way, if you watch that movie again you'll see a very young Fran Drescher. In your case you'll have to rent or buy the bluray.