With a new lamp, you can determine where you stand....with the old, you can have no real perception of such.
Is the cost of a new Lamp a serious issue?
Can anyone help locating the following in Canada (Toronto Area)?
Rustoleum's Ultimate Polyurethane Matte - Don't even see this on Rustoleum's Canadian website, sent email asking for local store, but no answer yet.
Martha Stewart's Polished Silver - Not at Lowes or HD
Behr 1850 UPW Flat - No longer available in Canada...or at least the Toronto Area...this seems to be the consensus by a few people.
Or have good suggestions for alternatives.
Out of curiosity, is there any reason the mix isn't using the "Rustoleum Metallic Accents Sterling Silver" in place of the Martha stuff? Is it too dark, big flake etc?
I have everything else, but may have to pull the plug on this if I can't get the rest of the supplies. Still looking for a good sprayer, but won't be necessary if I can't find the rest. Don't want to by a Wagner due to the new versions having the "fat" needle.
With all of this mash up of paints, does this still dry rock hard due to the Poly and remain very scrub-able?
What should I expect with the substitutions in question.
I'm assuming the UPW it wouldn't matter too much,
With the minwax, I expect it to be a bit more glossy. ??
Rustoleum sterling ? Don't have a clue, should I expect the same results, darker, more reflections etc.
I'm already concerned about some comments on sparkles, so I was going to add the extra 3-6 oz of UPW to the mix that is suggested to avoid this.
Was thinking to going with a mid level mix SF 2.5.(whatever version this mix would create) at level 2-3. Want it light as mostly dark with some reflective light, but want some options for ambient light.
Any tips on this mix up would be greatly appreciated! Thank you very much!
So to clerify 100% - It looks like substituting the MS vs. Rustoleum silver and/or the UPW for another good UPW won't make much difference, but if I can get my hands on the Ultimate Poly its a worthy upgrade, but will work with the Minwax..which I have found.
I've gone through dozens of pages of this and other SF threads, but I haven't seen any official comments on what the best base paint is when going straight to a wall. I've seen a few comments just stating over a UPW, but not what sheen. Is it just the same Flat UPW in the mix? Would any white primer do? I don't know how transparent this ends up being so I can't judge how important the starting base is, outside of being void of any imperfections.
OK! So now I have everything to make up the "Canadian" SF 2.X.
I picked up the Behr 1750 UPW. I was getting mixed comments on this one. One HD told me it wasn't as good as 1850, the other told me its was better then 1850. Being a lower number I would think lower quality, but Behr's website list it as their top "Ultra" paint. From what I can tell by reading Behr's technical documents, the main difference is the sheen is a bit lower on the 1750. This could even benefit those who can't find the Rustoleum as the added "matte" from the 1750, may bring the sheen down on the Minwax to the same level as the Rustoleum. Unless someone yells for me to stop, I don't want to over think this and will just go with the 1750. I'll likely be pulling the trigger (on the sprayer ;-) this weekend.
On another note, I've seen little in the way of comments on spraying with a compressor based spray gun. Any reason you can't use this with a 1.4mm needle, .5Liter air sprayer? Is the mica too large? Latex dry in the gun?
I see some old threads where people were doing it, but not much since the new turbine airless sprayers have taken over. Is it just because the air setup costs much more if you don't already have it?
I would think this method would give you as good if not better "finishing" level fine spray.
Also, anyone use Floetrol in place of some of the water?
By the time I received your post, I already had my compressor and everything in my HT room. I have a small tank, but a high output compressor for the size, so it will maintain the CFM's I need. My turn on pressure is 90PSI and it will hold that steady while outputting 5.1 CFM @ 50PSI , so I cold paint until my compressor blows out! I've already sprayed down some of the 1750 which went fairly well. I certainly need to thin it some more for the next couple of coats. I mixed up the base of SF to check the viscosity and it is much thinner then I currently have the UPW I was spraying.
Does anyone have pics of the new SF pre colorant, as well as the new colorant? My SF base looks much darker, more gray then the silver in the other pics I've seen, but I believe they were all with the Liquitex Silver. I'm using the Rustoleum as per PB_MAXX's suggestion that it was the same as the MS Silver.
also my colorant looks like a dark purplely brown, not gray like the other pics. I have enough to try again, so should I just scrap it, or is it salvageable? Is there a good tool for measuring these out, or are most still using the measuring spoons?
MM, I thought, I've seen your suggestions to use the Squirrel Cage on the colorant, but how? With such a small amount you'd need a container just bigger then the cage itself to get it to mix...or is there a trick I'm missing.
I'll try to mix up a new colorant batch using your new formula and I'll let you know how it goes. Too paranoid to mix it completely as I don't want to trash the entire batch.
Re "3 to 4x thinner", my statement was just an that it "was thinner", but I certainly get your point. After thinning the UPW a couple of times to get the base to lay down right, I'm wishing I would have just waited to get a turbine. I'm in this far...I know it will work, I just have to figure out the consistency. I started the SF with the 24oz of water. Based on your comment, I'm assuming this is not enough. Any suggested starting point for my 1.4mm tip (actually smaller then I thought).
Glad to hear my darker batch is normal. If I wanted the old 3, should I now go with a 2 mix or stick with the guide.
I'll try your Colorant test prior to mixing up my new batch and if I try the new mix, I'll see what I can come up with to use the Squirrel to mix the colorant.
pb_maxx/MM, You guys both ROCK! To join a forum with guys as dedicated to helping people as you are is fantastic. Please let me know if either of you are ever in the Toronto area as I owe you both a few good Canadian Beers!
Here's my room, a 14x17 fairly light controlled area. Projector = Epson 3020 at 13' with Cinema Eco enabled to a 120" Diag screen (just short of the closest possible distance for 120"). Room will be painted a darkish gray, possibly including ceiling. Most viewing will be done with lights out, but some gaming/company over viewing will have some back controlled (vertical) lighting. I can already tell my biggest lighting issues will be ambient from the screen/projector, not anything else.
SF 2 or 3 is what I'm debating over. I also have worries about the "sparklies" some people have commented on. So I planned on adding a bit extra UPW to the mix to combat this.
What do you recommend?