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post #301 of 1461
SF v2 4.0 ready to go!!! Yes MM and pbmaxx, I went with 4.0.... I am very pleased with the shade so far so I can't wait to see it in action.

One thing I would like to point out though, is that I needed plenty of water to get the viscosity just right for the Wagner CS DD.

BTW, that sheet on the picture is a WHITE. Just wanted to show it as a reference which means that the mixture is not as dark as it seems on the picture.
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post #302 of 1461
looks good though... no noticeable push...
post #303 of 1461
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Originally Posted by pb_maxxx View Post

looks good though... no noticeable push...

What you mean by no noticeable push? Sorry for my ignorance! lol
post #304 of 1461
Thread Starter 
"No Noticable Push" means if ya can't see any....it's not there.

Ha!

Really though....PB means the color of the Dark Gray does not "push" toward any undesirable color.
Such as to look very slightly Green....Blue...Brown / Yellow-ish.

A Neutral Gray will rinse off a tool and continue to look....well, Gray.

Consider this....the anxiom "Ignorance is Bliss" could be construed as meaning "Iffin' ya don't ask questions and remain "Ignorant"....ya would'nt have to read replys like this one.
post #305 of 1461
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

"No Noticable Push" means if ya can't see any....it's not there.

Ha!

Really though....PB means the color of the Dark Gray does not "push" toward any undesirable color.
Such as to look very slightly Green....Blue...Brown / Yellow-ish.

A Neutral Gray will rinse off a tool and continue to look....well, Gray.

Consider this....the anxiom "Ignorance is Bliss" could be construed as meaning "Iffin' ya don't ask questions and remain "Ignorant"....ya would'nt have to read replys like this one.

Lol gotcha! Yea, its a very nice shade of gray. Yesterday I did the first 2 dusters and 1 firmer coat. Im getting ready to throw on the fourth and final coat. Right now, the finish is so smooth it feels like glass. Its coming out great!

Folks, the trick in all of this is making sure the paint is at the RIGHT viscosity. Once it is, it sticks to the screen like glue and dries beautifully.
post #306 of 1461
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Originally Posted by ERuiz View Post

Time for some SF mixing!!! :-)

Thanks for the picture that is going to help me out BIG TIME when I go shopping next week
post #307 of 1461
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Originally Posted by FUN4ME View Post

Thanks for the picture that is going to help me out BIG TIME when I go shopping next week

Here is some tips to help you save some time:

ALL Basics paints - Michaels
Delta Ceramcoats - Michaels (Hurry, because I think they are on clearance)
Behr UPW - Home Depot
MinWax Polycrylic - Home Depot
1 Gallon filters - Home Depot
Measuring spoons - Walmart

Make sure you follow MM's and PBxxx's instructions to the T and you will not have problems.
post #308 of 1461
I just came across some posts about SF V2 HG. I wasn't able to find out a lot about this formulation.

What is the gain and when is it appropriate to use? How does it compare to the standard SF V2 formulations (I've been looking at SF V2 3.0 or 4.0) and what are the pros and cons (hot-spotting, brightness uniformity, color accuracy, off-axis viewing, projector set-up, etc,)?


BTW ERuiz, good luck with your screen. I'm thinking of doing the same screen, but still researching.

Thanks,
Greg
post #309 of 1461
the Delta Ceramcoats pearl are all sold out. Michaels said they have no longer carry the 8 oz size in canada
my screen project are on hold.........bummer
post #310 of 1461
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Originally Posted by brianlun View Post

the Delta Ceramcoats pearl are all sold out. Michaels said they have no longer carry the 8 oz size in canada
my screen project are on hold.........bummer

Same here in Ca going to other stores later this week
post #311 of 1461
are their any Menards in CA or Canada?
post #312 of 1461
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Originally Posted by pb_maxxx View Post

are their any Menards in CA or Canada?

Yes they are about an hour away.
I think I will just order from here
http://www.shopcraftworld.com/Ceramc...ish_p_844.html
post #313 of 1461
Eruiz, did you start out with the HG base or did you go with the standard V2 base?
I would really like to hear your opinion on the projected image when you have a chance.
Some pictures would be nice too.
Thanks Erich
post #314 of 1461
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Originally Posted by FUN4ME View Post

Eruiz, did you start out with the HG base or did you go with the standard V2 base?
I would really like to hear your opinion on the projected image when you have a chance.
Some pictures would be nice too.
Thanks Erich

I started out with the regular v2 as outlined on the OP of this thread and went with 4.0 as far as colorant.

The image looks amazing! As soon as I finish calibrating the pj, I will post some pics.
post #315 of 1461
So a question about the colorant and calculating the 1.0,1.5,2.0, etc #s...
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(Color Components) ie: "Colorant"

60ml - filtered/distilled water for rinsing color components from utensils
30ml - Liquitex Basics - Napthol Crimson Red
15ml - Liquitex Basics - Phthalocyanine Green
10ml - Liquitex Basics - UltraMarine Blue
5ml - Liquitex Basics - Cadmium Yellow - Deep Hue

The numerical equivalent of the shade of Gray (SF v2 1.0/1.5/2.0/2.5/3.0/4.0/5.0 on to ad nausea-um ) is equal to the amount "IN OUNCES" of Colorant added to what is a consistent and unchanging* Base combo of reflective and viscosity mixes.

What is posted here is a V2 2.0 correct? 30+15+10+5=60ml / 30ml/ounce = 2 ounces = V2 2.0?...so to get a 1.0 or 5.0 you adjust the amounts of paint while keeping the ratios of each the same?

Thats how i understood it, i just want to make sure im getting it right.
post #316 of 1461
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Originally Posted by premiertrussman View Post

So a question about the colorant and calculating the 1.0,1.5,2.0, etc #s...

What is posted here is a V2 2.0 correct? 30+15+10+5=60ml / 30ml/ounce = 2 ounces = V2 2.0?...so to get a 1.0 or 5.0 you adjust the amounts of paint while keeping the ratios of each the same?

Thats how i understood it, i just want to make sure im getting it right.

60 (water) + 30 + 15 + 10 + 5 = 120ml = 4oz

If you want SF v2 5.0 or higher, then simply create another batch of colorant and now you will have 8ozs to work with.
post #317 of 1461
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Originally Posted by ERuiz View Post

60 (water) + 30 + 15 + 10 + 5 = 120ml = 4oz

If you want SF v2 5.0 or higher, then simply create another batch of colorant and now you will have 8ozs to work with.

Ah so the water is part of the equation as well...but otherwise my thinking was correct?
post #318 of 1461
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Originally Posted by premiertrussman View Post


Ah so the water is part of the equation as well...but otherwise my thinking was correct?

Yup, the water is very important. Take the 60ml of water and put it in a cup. Then as you start using the measuring spoons with the colored basics paints, rinse off the measuring spoon in the water between each measurement. Once done with all the colors, just mix in the water which by now should have a very dark brown tint. Now you should have 4 ozs of colorant ready to be used. Repeat process if more colorant is needed.
post #319 of 1461
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Originally Posted by ERuiz View Post

Yup, the water is very important. Take the 60ml of water and put it in a cup. Then as you start using the measuring spoons with the colored basics paints, rinse off the measuring spoon in the water between each measurement. Once done with all the colors, just mix in the water which by now should have a very dark brown tint. Now you should have 4 ozs of colorant ready to be used. Repeat process if more colorant is needed.

Cool. I'll probably just stick with that formula. Going to be shooting with a sanyo PLV-Z700 from about 14' back, in a completely light controlled room.
post #320 of 1461
Thread Starter 
The listed ingredients + Water combine to make just over 4 ounces of colorant. SF v.2 2.0 would be the combined Reflective Base/Viscosity mix with "2 Ounces" of Colorant added. SF v.3? "3 Ounces added". In ERuiz's case, a SF v.2 4.0 contained "4 Ounces added" of Colorant.
post #321 of 1461
Thanks for clearing that up guys! Im really excited to try this at my brothers.

I found a pretty sweet deal on a yamaha HTIB and blu ray player online, pair that with the sanyo and a SF V2 screen...I think its going to be a pretty awesome budget theater.


BTW MM....is that quote from the episode where Kirk first meets kahn? Or is it from the second movie Wrath of Kahn? I've been trying to remember all day.
post #322 of 1461
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Originally Posted by ERuiz View Post

The image looks amazing! As soon as I finish calibrating the pj, I will post some pics.

i was about to jump on your case. you can't post on doing a Silver Fire V2 4.0 screen and not tell us your end result... be it good, bad, or indifferent!?!

of course few would dare to walk where you have tread.

---

i'm still using my newly bought CS DD for a commercial paint job... bummer... it's yhas yet to see a projection screen.
post #323 of 1461
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Originally Posted by pb_maxxx View Post


i was about to jump on your case. you can't post on doing a Silver Fire V2 4.0 screen and not tell us your end result... be it good, bad, or indifferent!?!

of course few would dare to walk where you have tread.

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i'm still using my newly bought CS DD for a commercial paint job... bummer... it's yhas yet to see a projection screen.

LOL They will come soon! Just doing some final touches to the HT. Man, it seems like one can never say DONE, COMPLETED! HAHAHAHA
post #324 of 1461
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by premiertrussman View Post
BTW MM....is that quote from the episode where Kirk first meets kahn? Or is it from the second movie Wrath of Kahn? I've been trying to remember all day.
Wrath of Khan.

Kirk: [hailing Khan] "This is Admiral Kirk. We tried it once your way, Khan, are you game for a rematch?"

Khan's eyes get wide....but he does not answer.

"Khan...I'm laughing at the superior intellect."

Khan: "Full impulse power!"
Joachim: "No, sir! You have Genesis! You can have whatever..."
Khan: [grabs Joachim in anger] "FULL POWER! DAMN YOU!"

Khan goes nuts, jams the thrusters to full speed, and follows the USS Enterprise into the Mutari Nebula, to his doom.

Khan: "To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath......at thee! "
post #325 of 1461
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Originally Posted by FUN4ME View Post
Yes they are about an hour away.
I think I will just order from here
http://www.shopcraftworld.com/Ceramc...ish_p_844.html
oh. craftworld here I come........
post #326 of 1461
So,
Is the viscosity of this mix appropriate for an inexpensive hvlp sprayer, or do you have to mix in more water?

How about an airless? Like this Wagner
http://www.gleempaint.com/wagner-procoat.html

Would you still use the same amount of water?

I'm looking for a little help with which paint to use in my other thread titled;
"another help me choose my screen paint thread"

Appreciate any help
Brad
post #327 of 1461
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post
Wrath of Khan.

Kirk: [hailing Khan] "This is Admiral Kirk. We tried it once your way, Khan, are you game for a rematch?"

Khan's eyes get wide....but he does not answer.

"Khan...I'm laughing at the superior intellect."

Khan: "Full impulse power!"
Joachim: "No, sir! You have Genesis! You can have whatever..."
Khan: [grabs Joachim in anger] "FULL POWER! DAMN YOU!"

Khan goes nuts, jams the thrusters to full speed, and follows the USS Enterprise into the Mutari Nebula, to his doom.

Khan: "To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath......at thee! "
Got it...you paint a very accurate scene there! The earwig brain controller bugs always creeped me out though...
post #328 of 1461
As promised, some pics!!! DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER even though I have a nice camera. LOL This goes to show that even having a good camera, doesn't make you a photographer.

Camera is a Nikon D5000 and it was set up on a tripod at much as possible to the center of the screen. I used ISO 3200 and a 10 second automatic trigger release in order to avoid any sort of movement on my part.

The room was PITCH BLACK and the I have set my Epson 8350 settings using the LIVING ROOM settings as my base settings. I used Spears and Munsil Bluray calibration disc and like I said, I used living room mode as my base.

Why living room mode? Because Cinema Mode was not outputting enough lumens for me to be content with SF v2 4.0... The colors as always were right but the scene just looked too dull. I also tried Natural Mode and even though it was a good step towards a brighter screen, it had some sort of a greenish tint to the overall image. But on the lumens department, it was doing MUCH better than cinema.

Now, Living Room mode was a whole different story. After calibration, I am seeing the same colors and tones as cinema mode BUT at much higher lumens. It really gave the screen the push it needed and now I am enjoying an image with LOTS of pop and deep blacks.

The images below DO NOT serve these images any justice. Like I said earlier, I am not a photographer and I know that under the right settings, my camera could reproduce almost exact replicas of what I am seeing, but for that someone will have to chime in with better settings for my Nikon D5000.

SF v2 4.0 is performing BEAUTIFULLY in my HT. With enough lumens and proper calibration, I am getting a 3D'ish pop to my images with deep blacks and great contrast. Avatar looked unreal.

BTW, I am running a 48" CIH setup (1.78 and 2.40 AR) with manual zoom.

Ok enough talking, here are the pics:

PIC 1: The Green Hornet - 2.40 AR
PIC 2: Cars - 2.40 AR
PIC 3: Kung Fu Panda - 2.40 AR
PIC 4: Avatar - 1.78 AR
PIC 5: Avatar - 1.78 AR

ONE LAST THING: A huuuuuuge shout out to pb_maxxx and especially MississippiMan. You guys have no idea how invaluable these two guys are to the DIY community. MM will bend backwards in every imaginable way in order to help members out. A++++++++++
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post #329 of 1461
wow..awesome pics. Great job ERuiz !!
post #330 of 1461
Hi MM or pb_maxxx,

Can you help me out ? I am looking to build a 47" x 110" 2.35 screen. I will be shelf mount the pj about 17 ft away and according to projectorcentral this would give me 9fL. My projector is VS Pro8100 so I need some help in the lumens and contrast/blacks departments. The recommendation is at least 12fL with low ambient light. According to PJ calculator I can achieve 12fL with a 1.4 gain screen. Which version of SF v.2 is right for me ? 1.0 or 2.0 for 1.4 gain ? I don't have a light controlled room but I watch movies in the dark. My ceiling is white and can get bright during bright scenes. I am using zooming method for 2.35. Thanks !!
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