Originally Posted by ohcello
Thanks again all, Looks like I might get one sample each from both sites! I think the HTS guys are whipping up SF2 v3 for their own tests and will send me a sample.
Don't bother to try to make any valid comparisons between what another Forum alludes to be a correctly made "test" panel and what you yourself or someone from this Forum makes up. If your so unable to do it yourself...if it's not important enough for you to know that YOU have done everything correctly...if the cost is too high for you to meet the challenge, then just perhaps your not intended to "go there".
I've read the "Silver Fire" Thread on HTS...I'm up to date on exactly what they are doing and what they are attempting to do.
They know exactly how to tip little things askew in a mix (...there is no "Control" over what they do, and this is not a Blind or "Dis-interested Party" endeavor. This is an effort by a competing Forum's own "Moderators" (..who are disobeying their own rules daily because they cannot be questioned for doing such...) to discredit another Forum's effort to bring something to bear for DIY'ers.
There is NO other reason. They self-admit once more that they are changing the rules...and changing the prescribed SF Formula mix in one very important aspect. They are using a "Eggshell Enamel" paint instead of a "Flat Enamel" paint. knowing full well that there is a noticeable difference between the sheen characteristics of the two, and that with "Eggshell" they almost undoubtedly expect (le: want) to see the resulting "Hot Spotting" that will occur with a mix that already sports a very Translucent and metallic nature.
So whose to say these folks have no agenda when they come out beforehand and say "I want to put all this to bed once and for all". Does that sound like they are entering into this with a unbiased attitude?
Your frequenting the other Forum with many more posting than on here, and basically repeating everything said. While this might seem alright to you, it's not alright with me personally...because all it is serving as is an opportunity..a conduit if you will, for a few others to use you as a weapon.
So what will be the question / outcome if there is a disparate difference in favor of what your receive from someone on AVS and what they send along? Will you go onto HTS and call them out? Better not. They'll ban you quicker than it takes your eye to flicker. You cannot openly question a Moderator on that Forum, merely report their actions and your concerns. As to how far that would get you is problematical at best.
They are themselves obviously fixated on trying to come up with the validation needed to post up their slanted and biased view points and conclusions, simply because in fact....they must. They are simply not doing as effective job at convincing people they have a superior ambient light application...or that any of the applications they tout as being superior are indeed so.
Ask yourself this question....why would they even have a Silver Fire Thread? Where is their interest rooted in having such. Warning others off? Keeping people mis-informed and believing "science" rules over creativity? Are they worried about the impact such a popular DIY application has on their own efforts? You bet they are!
If your truly unbiased in all of this...and read how they approach things and the slanted and denigrating comments they have offered up even before the supposed "tests' are completed...about everything...from costs...to "Syringes"...to mixing effort...pre-disposed comments about "pushes" that cannot be verified as being the cause of the Mix....
...it's all just too much.
They know that their own Forum owner said for them to let "AVS" issues remain "AVS" issues, and HTS "Issues" remain HTS issues, and to NOT to press home rebuttal-tempting or insulting posts. They patently ignore that because they are ensconced as Moderators...."Boys in the Hood" that make and play by their own rules because they can...that's why they moved on in the first place.
Our own Owners have said the same thing about "anyone" making posts concerning HTS...and this post is about as close to being a transgression as what they are posting...if done even in defensive posture. But I'm posting this as a "Notice" to the Mod....and both willing to see it and all other OT and illicit posts wiped clean from this Thread.From this point on...as Thread Starter, if you want to continue any discussion of the "Tests, or post questions about such as comes from any examples you receive from a HTS member as well as a AVS member
(..the latter who it would seem would have no vested interest in sending you a bogus sample...) then I'm asking you to do so on your own specifically titled and self authored Thread. I have that right to do so and I'm exercising it forthwith.
Let everything stand there on it's own merit. Or fall into dust and obscurity. I'll not stand to see such issues discussed on this Thread anymore. This Thread is intended to serve as an aid to help others realize the advantages inherent in the new Silver Fire v.2 Mix. If you want to make any valid comparisons that can be posted here, you may do so by making your own test panels and use any that are sent to you by a AVS'ers.
You have received offers of SF v.2 paint...so if your willing to go that extra step, and paint your own test panels to compare with whatever you receive, there should be no reason for you to need any help from another source whose merits and motives are seriously in question. You have your own C&S Screen as a "Control Example". We have always stood on the comments and results of others who have done/experienced DIY as is prescribed. We spend literally hours helping people, knowing that in the end, their results will either stand up...of fall based on what info we provide and the work ethic they muster up.
Few people ever intentionally muck up such efforts...however that does not necessarily apply for those who might have every reason to do exactly that. I trust any AVS member who has gone down the SF road to be totally honest about his findings. Good, bad, or indifferent. Even "OMG".
We get a lot of the latter, so you determine what's valid and what is not.
Be aware that I'm not faulting you or your request...and especially not your desire to find a DIY Screen more suited to your needs. But this is not the Thread to do so on...and the route being taken is wholly unacceptable, and a violation of the separation between Forums that both Owners wish to maintain.