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post #61 of 195
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Originally Posted by PsychoAU View Post

Frank,

If you don't want to do a full construction howto, can you at least make a parts list? I am especially curious about the battery that you are running all this off of and the exact way you got PTZ capabilities for those camcorders.

Also, how are you live viewing the 3d combined image of both cameras? What software are you using for that? Are you just using the Composite signal from each one into a video capture device on that netbook and then muxing them in some viewer?

If you could give a parts list, I'm sure I could figure the rest out.

Thanks.

Thanks for you interest and I would be more then happy to help as soon as I have the time.
Hopefully soon.
post #62 of 195
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Originally Posted by PsychoAU View Post

Frank,

If you don't want to do a full construction howto, can you at least make a parts list? I am especially curious about the battery that you are running all this off of and the exact way you got PTZ capabilities for those camcorders.

Also, how are you live viewing the 3d combined image of both cameras? What software are you using for that? Are you just using the Composite signal from each one into a video capture device on that netbook and then muxing them in some viewer?

If you could give a parts list, I'm sure I could figure the rest out.

Thanks.

To quickly answer the live video question:
The on board laptop computer has two composite video to USB capture devices and they are being multiplexed using Stereoscopic Multiplexer from 3DTV.AT.
The laptop is running Stereoscopic Player with the input from the Stereoscopic Muxer.
The laptop is running UltraVnc server.
I simply log in remotely and view the live video along with my controls.
When using my Ipad or Iphone, I use Iteleport to connect to the laptop and display the video in anaglyph.
When connecting via my computers that are using my Samsung UN40C7000s as 3D monitors I set the video output as checkerboard and watch it with my shutter glasses.
On board I have a Phidget 8 relay board that operates the basic pan tilt zoom rec/stop functions.
The cameras both have LANC interfaces and are controlled with a Lanc Shepherd dual camera controller that I interfaced to.
I use a small webcam to monitor the LCD display of the shepherd so as to see the camera sync error in milliseconds.
post #63 of 195
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An alternative explanation might be that our brains work the same way.

Maybe, but I have also done tests using some of the test patterns and my results are not DLP quality zero crosstalk but they are also not horrendous either. Your results in the same thread were entirely different to mine however.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1291751&page=2
post #64 of 195
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Maybe, but I have also done tests using some of the test patterns and my results are not DLP quality zero crosstalk but they are also not horrendous either. Your results in the same thread were entirely different to mine however.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1291751&page=2

As I recall I only tested my Mits 82738 and my now thankfully gone panasonic VT-20.
post #65 of 195
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Originally Posted by Frank View Post

To quickly answer the live video question:
The on board laptop computer has two composite video to USB capture devices and they are being multiplexed using Stereoscopic Multiplexer from 3DTV.AT.
The laptop is running Stereoscopic Player with the input from the Stereoscopic Muxer.
The laptop is running UltraVnc server.
I simply log in remotely and view the live video along with my controls.
When using my Ipad or Iphone, I use Iteleport to connect to the laptop and display the video in anaglyph.
When connecting via my computers that are using my Samsung UN40C7000s as 3D monitors I set the video output as checkerboard and watch it with my shutter glasses.
On board I have a Phidget 8 relay board that operates the basic pan tilt zoom rec/stop functions.
The cameras both have LANC interfaces and are controlled with a Lanc Shepherd dual camera controller that I interfaced to.
I use a small webcam to monitor the LCD display of the shepherd so as to see the camera sync error in milliseconds.

That is very helpful. Thanks. So UltraVNC preserves the 3D output from the laptop? I didn't think it would. So you just have the Stereoscopic Player running on the laptop and just log into it with a VNC viewer? Then set the TV to checkerboard and that's it? That makes sense. I will have to try a few things out when I get my 3DTV.

From the picture, it looks like the cameras are mounted to a fairly standard pan-tilt base. Then I guess the LANC controller handles the zoom on the camcorders. So with the Dual Camera controller, I guess that is how you keep the zoom synchronized.

For now, I gather that the RC car components are not controlled together with the cameras. I assume the RC Car is controlled by the RC Car controller that it came with (or one like it).

If I ever put this together, I think it would be easy to set up an interface with an Arduino board or something that could control the car's motors from the laptop. Then you could set up a website or something where people could control the car and camera set up remotely. (Of course, the rig would need some ruggedization (is that a word?).

Thanks again. This definitely gives me some ideas.

I would still like to know what you are doing for power. What type of battery set up are you using and how long can you have it running before you have to recharge? The cameras would have their own batteries and so would the laptop. I guess the only other part is the car. So thinking this through, I guess it wouldn't be that involving to keep everything powered for a while.

Any information you care to share would be very helpful (and appreciated)
post #66 of 195
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Originally Posted by PsychoAU View Post

That is very helpful. Thanks. So UltraVNC preserves the 3D output from the laptop? I didn't think it would. So you just have the Stereoscopic Player running on the laptop and just log into it with a VNC viewer? Then set the TV to checkerboard and that's it? That makes sense. I will have to try a few things out when I get my 3DTV.

From the picture, it looks like the cameras are mounted to a fairly standard pan-tilt base. Then I guess the LANC controller handles the zoom on the camcorders. So with the Dual Camera controller, I guess that is how you keep the zoom synchronized.

For now, I gather that the RC car components are not controlled together with the cameras. I assume the RC Car is controlled by the RC Car controller that it came with (or one like it).

If I ever put this together, I think it would be easy to set up an interface with an Arduino board or something that could control the car's motors from the laptop. Then you could set up a website or something where people could control the car and camera set up remotely. (Of course, the rig would need some ruggedization (is that a word?).

Thanks again. This definitely gives me some ideas.

I would still like to know what you are doing for power. What type of battery set up are you using and how long can you have it running before you have to recharge? The cameras would have their own batteries and so would the laptop. I guess the only other part is the car. So thinking this through, I guess it wouldn't be that involving to keep everything powered for a while.

Any information you care to share would be very helpful (and appreciated)

I love it....
My original intent was to control the Traxxas Summit from the laptop and I still plan on doing it.
The laptop is already connected to a RC servo unit with 7 spare outputs which I will eventually drive the Traxxas with once the software is done.
It runs for around five hours on batteries with the obvious exception of the Traxxas batteries where the time depends on how it's used.
Once the laptop is in control then the Traxxas battery lifetime will obviously go up considerably.
This rig is quite rugged as you might have noticed if you looked at some of my videos. The camcorder mount is especially rugged.
post #67 of 195
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That is very helpful. Thanks. So UltraVNC preserves the 3D output from the laptop? I didn't think it would. So you just have the Stereoscopic Player running on the laptop and just log into it with a VNC viewer? Then set the TV to checkerboard and that's it? That makes sense. I will have to try a few things out when I get my 3DTV.

You'll need to buy a Samsung. Sony,LG,etc just won't do the job and Mitsubishi has way too much overscan.
post #68 of 195
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This video demonstrates what a powerful tool this is for birdwatching which I do a lot of these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBzpuyWqpjc&hd=1
Camera alignment is critical when zooming in 15X.

This is sourced from a 3840 by 1080 windows media video that I rendered in Vegas Pro. The source video file looks significently better then the YouTube version.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/tree%20panning.wmv
post #69 of 195
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Originally Posted by PsychoAU View Post

Then you could set up a website or something where people could control the car and camera set up remotely. (Of course, the rig would need some ruggedization (is that a word?).

After you build yours and I finish mine how about you drive mine and I drive yours?
post #70 of 195
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Man would I love to do what I'm doing now using a 3D front projector.
Seems odd that of all the 3D projectors available today at any price, not one meets my requirements.

My home theater sits dormant with it's lonely 2D projector which just can't cut it anymore.
post #71 of 195
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Me: "Does this 3D television model support checkerboard mode?"
Salesman: "What's checkerboard mode?"
Me: "It's the one that allows multiple re-sizable 3D windows on screen at the same time"
Salesman: "That's not possible."
post #72 of 195
Well if the sales guy says it's not possible, it must be true
post #73 of 195
The salesman would know his products. It's not possible.


Jim

PS I'm sure he probably doesn't even know if the checkerboard is used for chess, checkers, or both! I'm hoping for a new firmware upgrade that will enable Chinese checkers! I've read somewhere that EA Games or LucasArts has already signed on when they enable the new firmware they are developing a new Chinese Chess!!
post #74 of 195
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The salesman would know his products. It's not possible.


Jim

PS I'm sure he probably doesn't even know if the checkerboard is used for chess, checkers, or both! I'm hoping for a new firmware upgrade that will enable Chinese checkers! I've read somewhere that EA Games or LucasArts has already signed on when they enable the new firmware they are developing a new Chinese Chess!!



My grandson spends a fair amount of time at my house and is quite familiar with the advantages of checkerboard format and he especially loves how easy it is to play YouTube in 3D.
The problem now is that I gave him my useless (to me) Panasonic VT-20 for Christmas and he and his family were extremely enthusiastic about it.
Now, unfortunately, he is not enthusiastic about it at all. Christmas and his birthday are quite a ways away.
post #75 of 195
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See how well my Samsung UN40C7000 fits my treadmill?



I watch lots of YouTube videos in 3D while on my treadmill while of course, browsing this forum....
post #76 of 195
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Here are two 3D videos.
The first was shot with my JVC GS-TD1 3D camcorder.
The second is from R2D3.
My housekeeper watched them both while standing on my 3DTV equipped treadmill and she loved them.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/R3.ts
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/R2.ts
post #77 of 195
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Originally Posted by Frank View Post

Here are two 3D videos.
The first was shot with my JVC GS-TD1 3D camcorder.
The second is from R2D3.
My housekeeper watched them both while standing on my 3DTV equipped treadmill and she loved them.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/R3.ts
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/R2.ts

YouTube versions are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Z7eMOb7xc&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBEhLYA9lQY&hd=1
post #78 of 195
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Did you know that Arcsoft Total Media Theater 5 plays in a window of any size in 3D totally frame less?
I set my Windows desktop black with nothing on it except for the stereo 3D window and can adjust it to any size. Totally awesome!
Another cool thing about it is that it automatically recognizes non HDMI 1.4 videos formatting such as side by side and top and bottom and displays it correctly in 3D. How cool is that?
post #79 of 195
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Checkerboard versus HDMI 1.4

Checkerboard Pros:
User friendly
Allows non full screen 3D
Can play virtually any 3D file with a single mouse click
Plays thousands of YouTube 3D videos with a simple click and allows setting video size to what looks best to you
Allows viewing 3D content from a remote computer. (who cares but me)
I could go on for a while but maybe you get the idea

Cons:
Requires a computer and some software

HDMI 1.4 Pros
Potentially higher resolution (we can't see it)
Potentially better sound (we can't hear it)

Cons:
User belligerent
Can do none of the above
Can only play 3D in full screen mode
Need I go on?
post #80 of 195
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In addition to Samsung giving us a way around the defective HDMI 1.4 standard it is indirectly responsible for me losing 15 pounds.
(Un40C7000 on treadmill)
post #81 of 195
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I just noticed that my new JVC GS-TD1 3D camcorders come with software to easily upload the 3D clips to YouTube.

Imagine that....a piece of cake to shoot your own 3D video and upload to youtube in 3D..........except for one slight problem....

If you've read this entire thread then I don't need to go further...
post #82 of 195
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It's interesting that the Samsung YouTube application doesn't support 3D. What's with that?
Their native support of checkerboard means their applications could easily support playing YouTube videos in 3D and even allow resizing the 3D window .
Accidental oversight or something else?

Get with it Samsung, it's a feature no one else would have......
post #83 of 195
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Originally Posted by Frank View Post

It's interesting that the Samsung YouTube application doesn't support 3D. What's with that?
Their native support of checkerboard means their applications could easily support playing YouTube videos in 3D and even allow resizing the 3D window .
Accidental oversight or something else?

Get with it Samsung, it's a feature no one else would have......

I think it is an oversight coupled with lack of effort and vision. Youtube is just a tick box on the features list, I don't think they care much beyond getting it working in its most basic form. However, 'youtube 3D' would also make a nice tick box as well, especially for selling 3DTV's - 100's of free 3D videos would seem like it would be a good selling point.
post #84 of 195
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Originally Posted by poppabk View Post

I think it is an oversight coupled with lack of effort and vision. Youtube is just a tick box on the features list, I don't think they care much beyond getting it working in its most basic form. However, 'youtube 3D' would also make a nice tick box as well, especially for selling 3DTV's - 100's of free 3D videos would seem like it would be a good selling point.

There is a sticky thread called Basic 3D video FAQs
We should have one called
Important IAQs

On the list I would have the infrequently asked question: "How can I play YouTube 3D videos on this 3DTV?"
post #85 of 195
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What's with all these new "SMART TVs" from Samsung?
Are they coming out with a new Dumb series I hope with no features except checkerboard support?

I mean, really, who cares about all that stupid stuff?
Just connect your smart computer to your DUMB 3DTV with checkerboard support and you're way better off, believe me.
post #86 of 195
Frank,

I am about to get my Samsung D7900 TV next week and am trying to figure out how to get 3D from my PC hooked up to the TV with a DVI-to-HDMI cable. I know there is the NVIDIA 3DTV Play software which converts the desktop and game feeds to 3D output for the TV. It does not currently support Checkerboard output.

What software and video hardware are you using to get continuous Checkerboard output from a PC to the Samsung TV?

I think if the NVIDIA software detects a 1.4 TV, then it will lock down to just a few output options.

Any info on what exact configuration you are using on that PC would be much appreciated.

Thanks for being a pioneer in these choppy 3d waters.
post #87 of 195
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Originally Posted by PsychoAU View Post

Frank,

I am about to get my Samsung D7900 TV next week and am trying to figure out how to get 3D from my PC hooked up to the TV with a DVI-to-HDMI cable. I know there is the NVIDIA 3DTV Play software which converts the desktop and game feeds to 3D output for the TV. It does not currently support Checkerboard output.

What software and video hardware are you using to get continuous Checkerboard output from a PC to the Samsung TV?

I think if the NVIDIA software detects a 1.4 TV, then it will lock down to just a few output options.

Any info on what exact configuration you are using on that PC would be much appreciated.

Thanks for being a pioneer in these choppy 3d waters.

Congratulations on your purchase.
I have a Nvidia GT460 with a DVI to HDMI adapter feeding all my 3D televisions though a bunch of splitters.
I stopped using NVIDIA 3DPlay months ago because I didn't find it to be worth the hassle.
All the Nvidia cards I have support checkerboard format.
You just have to connect the HDMI to HDMI 1 on the Samsung and name it PC or DVI I believe.
post #88 of 195
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I've been trying to get confirmation that the new model Samsungs still support the interlaced modes, especially checkerboard and so far am unable to do so.
The online so called technical specifications do not include this most important technical specification.
I can't even find the owners manual online.
post #89 of 195
I've been following this thread Frank. It's a shame if the newer models don't support checkerboard format.
post #90 of 195
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I've been following this thread Frank. It's a shame if the newer models don't support checkerboard format.

Future conversion overhead at Samsung:
Lower Level Manager to Upper Level Executive:
"Sir, it seems that our 2010 3D televisions are selling on Ebay for three times the price of our current models."
"What! How can that be?"
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