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post #211 of 840
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

Personally, I don't see why all these shows feel the need to have weekly eliminations.

I think the why is ratings. It adds importance to each show and gives them a reason to have an elimination show the next night.
post #212 of 840
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

Yeah that was another big part of it.

Personally, I don't see why all these shows feel the need to have weekly eliminations. I said this years ago about DWTS and I'll say it again here, if I was running these shows I'd keep everyone in for about four weeks (with cumulative voting each week) then eliminate half the field and then do a weekly elimination for a couple of weeks until the finals.

I think this has the benefit of not eliminating a frontrunner due to one bad week and it's a little easier on egos in the bottom group since they get eliminated as a group instead of being singled out for the walk of shame.

I was just reiterating this exact same point to my wife a few days ago. I say it every single year. Unfortunately, things never change. The value in this is, of course, not having one singled out unfairly early on as you said, but also giving each and every dancer at least a chance to get something "good," and thus giving way to a more balanced and true vote later as well.

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I think the why is ratings. It adds importance to each show and gives them a reason to have an elimination show the next night.

I see the so-called "logic" in having a results show each and every week, but I'd rather see; more backgound on the performers (8 seconds just barely doesn't seem to cut it ) or more guest dancers (not craptacular tween singers with equally untalented backup dancers!) to fill in the extra 4-5 nights.
post #213 of 840
Ha! Nigel accidentally publicly tweeted his phone number and got about 400 calls before he managed to get his number turned off and switched. Whoops!
post #214 of 840
How does one "accidentally" tweet your phone number?!?
post #215 of 840
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Wadsworth View Post

How does one "accidentally" tweet your phone number?!?

Tweet while drunk off your ass.
post #216 of 840
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Wadsworth View Post

How does one "accidentally" tweet your phone number?!?

Much in the same way Wiener tweeted pics of his junk. Some people forgot the difference between tweeting privately to an individual and tweeting publicly.
post #217 of 840
Yeah, yet another case of getting burned by doing an @reply when intending to do a DM.

OTOH, it's probably a bad idea for anyone famous to even DM a personal phone number since it's traveling all over the net in plain text anyone with access anywhere in the middle can pick off the number.

He should probably have some easy to dump number, like a Google phone account, just for establishing communications. Then if the number gets compromised he can just delete the account and start another one.
post #218 of 840
Wow. ZERO comments about last night? Interesting.

Oh well. I think it's now safe to say that this is NOT the best Top 20 ever. Not even close. So many of the dancers looked so out of their comfort zone last night, with not a single performance really taking hold. Sure, the "jidges" are still going out of their way to pimp this latest crew to us, but even their never-ending praise was highly subdued last night.

One could argue that Mitchell and Caitlynn turned in a nice routine (and they did) but it was the choreography that absolutely stole the show. The brilliant use of space involving the chairs, paired with the static camera angle and superb lighting was beautiful.

Sasha and Alexander's "military" set was a disjointed and emotionally void shadow of the similarly-themed ones we've seen in years past. The Bollywood number was even worse. Sorry, Nick, but you couldn't even carry Joshua's luggage. (That's not as harsh as it sounds, however, since we all know that Joshua could make even the most wanting of partners seem somehow "good." )

The only truly nice surprize was Tadd, who positively owned the Viennese Waltz. One can only imagine if he were paired with Iveta on that one! Stunningly fluid, graceful, and damn-near perfect in every aspect. Will Nigel ever get it over his shock that B-Boys kick ass on this show?

The rest was passable, but forgettable.

One last plus: Debbie Reynolds was f'ing hilarious!
post #219 of 840
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

One last plus: Debbie Reynolds was f'ing hilarious!

I wondered if she was drunk As talented as Karen Mullally is and as legendary as Debble Reynolds is, neither added much to the show. Does anyone know what's going with the third judge's chair? I know that Adam Shankman had a leg injury but I've been surprised that they've let the guest judge bit go on for two weeks. Nigel is letting the critique hyperbole flow a bit early this season. I also wish that he would stop comparing the current group to past contestants. Comparing the Bollywood routine to Katee and Joshua's was a bit much.
post #220 of 840
Apparently Shankman is currently busy directing the Rock of Ages movie (based on the broadway hit)
post #221 of 840
I wonder if since last season the 3 judges so often just parroted each other's comments that this season they decided to let the 3rd judge be someone a bit more "entertaining" while still having dacne credentails?

Still, I wish thye would do a bit more critiquing of the actual dance, rather than just the hyperbole.

Spyder - I'd disagree a bit. I thought overall the episode was quite good. I think perhaps our memory enhances the dances/dancers of past seasons.

And I'm pretty sure Nigel isn't surprised by B-boys, he just likes to pretend he is. (And let's hope that Tadd isn't currently enrolled at Julliard).
post #222 of 840
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post
Wow. ZERO comments about last night? Interesting.

Oh well. I think it's now safe to say that this is NOT the best Top 20 ever. Not even close. So many of the dancers looked so out of their comfort zone last night, with not a single performance really taking hold. Sure, the "jidges" are still going out of their way to pimp this latest crew to us, but even their never-ending praise was highly subdued last night.
Certainly not the best ever choreography ever. I thought they said this group was bringing out the best in the choreographers.

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One could argue that Mitchell and Caitlynn turned in a nice routine (and they did) but it was the choreography that absolutely stole the show. The brilliant use of space involving the chairs, paired with the static camera angle and superb lighting was beautiful.
That was the only routine that worked for me last night.

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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post
Sasha and Alexander's "military" set was a disjointed and emotionally void shadow of the similarly-themed ones we've seen in years past. The Bollywood number was even worse. Sorry, Nick, but you couldn't even carry Joshua's luggage. (That's not as harsh as it sounds, however, since we all know that Joshua could make even the most wanting of partners seem somehow "good." )
Agree.

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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post
The only truly nice surprize was Tadd, who positively owned the Viennese Waltz. One can only imagine if he were paired with Iveta on that one! Stunningly fluid, graceful, and damn-near perfect in every aspect. Will Nigel ever get it over his shock that B-Boys kick ass on this show?
This might be our one area of disagreement about last night. But it's really due to a completely subjective dislike I seem to have for ever piece of Jean_Marc's work that I've seen. I can't seem to put my finger on what it is that i don't like about his choreography, but even the cha-cha didn't work for me.

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The rest was passable, but forgettable.
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Agree.
post #223 of 840
Like the previous poster, I also have an issue with Jean-Marc - my wife and I last night think we figured out why: most choreographers work with their dancers, cater to their strengths, and try to make them look as good as they can within the assigned style. Jean-Marc, on the other hand, choreographs to show the moves/steps that the dance has - or even to show off his own ability choreographing. He summed it up pretty well last night stating, in effect "the show is called 'sytycd' and I'm going to let you see if they really can or not". Most others seem to take the approach of "I know they can dance, and I'm going to let my choreography help you see how good they can be".
post #224 of 840
Since copyright issues have come up several times in these SYTYCD threads, I figured there would be enough interest here to justify this link to an interesting blog post from a guy who did 8-bit "chiptune" cover of Miles Davis' Kind of Blue and ran into copyright issues, not on the music, but on the cover art:

Kind of Screwed

Make sure you scroll all the way to the end of the article and take the "Where would you draw the line?" quiz. It raises a very interesting point.
post #225 of 840
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Originally Posted by cubateve View Post
Like the previous poster, I also have an issue with Jean-Marc - my wife and I last night think we figured out why: most choreographers work with their dancers, cater to their strengths, and try to make them look as good as they can within the assigned style. Jean-Marc, on the other hand, choreographs to show the moves/steps that the dance has - or even to show off his own ability choreographing. He summed it up pretty well last night stating, in effect "the show is called 'sytycd' and I'm going to let you see if they really can or not". Most others seem to take the approach of "I know they can dance, and I'm going to let my choreography help you see how good they can be".
That's a concise and clean observation. Nicely done.
post #226 of 840
More often than not, by the end of the show, whoever had the first routine leaves my mind, but tonight that jazz number really stood out. The "Vietnamese" waltz was also a highlight. The NappyTabs soldier routine....oy, as soon as the word soldier is used on this show, you know it is going to be instant pass to the next round. I thought this was going to be one where the emotional reaction would overwrite critique of the actual dance, and that is exactly what happened.

And ok sure, Debbie was funny. But....I like my judges to provide solid critique, not just "oh you're wonderful.". And.... I cannot believe she likened that one pair to the performers like Fred Astaire. I don't think so....

Well, I can't tell you who both pairs going home will be, but I'm fairly confident one of them will be the short broadway guy and his partner. I don't think the ChaCha couple will go because even if they are in the bottom, the judges like them and will give them another shot.
post #227 of 840
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Originally Posted by bpeacock22 View Post
I'm fairly confident one of them will be the short broadway guy and his partner.
That will make me sad--I enjoy looking at her .
post #228 of 840
I'm kind of getting to like Marko and Melanie. Second week in a row that they've done something I really enjoyed.

She's got "thunder thighs" (dancer's legs) and a relatively small head with pixie hair that makes her look a bit oddly shaped, but she's a very talented dancer indeed.

I liked that brief charlston-like, GaGa-like (from her "Just Dance" onstage performance choreography) step that Melanie did. Similar to Heather Morris's momentary version of that step in a recent "Glee" episode. I love watching that step.
post #229 of 840
Bottom 3 just revealed. This is EXACTLY why what happened last week is not fair. Someone is getting screwed in 30 min. Two people safe tonight weren't last week. And a couple who put in strong performances both weeks will be cut. Can't wait to see how Nigel manipulates this and he didn't look happy. Of course is hands are tied now!
post #230 of 840
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post
I'm kind of getting to like...Melanie.

She's got "thunder thighs" (dancer's legs) and a relatively small head with pixie hair that makes her look a bit oddly shaped, but she's a very talented dancer indeed...
Her leaping abiity and leg flexability are incredible; that slo-mo of her vaulting in the air, showing her legs extendig BEYOND 180-degrees, is nothing short of amazing!
post #231 of 840
In the long run, could Iveta have won the show? No. Should she have gone home tonight? Probably not.

I think a genre of dance would have eventually claimed Nick and Wadi, so of them, they were the best to go, but again, Nick shouldn't have been in that position.

Is this results show live? How can the judges decide who to cut, supposedly based much on the solo if the guy they kept is any indication, yet have that montage of both people cut ready to go seconds later?
post #232 of 840
I'd assume they have montages of everyone available just in case.

Disappointing results. I would have liked to see Iveta and Nick at least one more week. The the two couples that went home got dealt the bad cards by the hat more than anything else, it feels like. I an shocked and unhappy that Jess is still around.

Did anyone else have audio issues in the first 1/3 or so of the show? Or was it just local here?
post #233 of 840
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Originally Posted by bpeacock22 View Post
Bottom 3 just revealed. This is EXACTLY why what happened last week is not fair. Someone is getting screwed in 30 min. Two people safe tonight weren't last week. And a couple who put in strong performances both weeks will be cut. Can't wait to see how Nigel manipulates this and he didn't look happy. Of course is hands are tied now!
None of the people in the bottom 3 this week were in the bottom last week. Last week it was Clarice & Jess, Miranda & Robert, Jordan & Tadd (w/Mitchell due to his injury); this week it was Ryan & Ricky, Iveta & Nick and Missy & Wadi. If the judges had done their jobs and eliminated two people last week, two of those eliminated this week would still be in the competition. I don't think I can really fault their eliminations, though I'd have probably kept Missy and dumped Ryan, because I didn't think either of their dances-for-their-lives was any better than the other (and neither impressed) and I find Missy to be hotter . At least Clarice is safe for another week, though that meant another week of Jess .

I'm not surprised that they keep exit packages prepared for all of the contestants, but the mash-ups they composed of the two girls' and two boys' packages were amazingly smooth if they did it in only seconds. Also what were those shots of the two girls and two boys standing next to each other at the end of the packages in other costumes than the ones they were wearing on stage? Computer composites? Is any part of the results shows actually shown live???

Come to think of it none of it has to be live, performance or results. They know the results in the morning and can tape the results show any time during the day, editing it at their leisure.
post #234 of 840
Thread Starter 
I didn't hear the comment some of you have attributed to Jean-Marc, but I'll take your word(s) for it. That said, I, too, was simply blown away by Jordan & Tadd's "Vietnamize Waltz," lol -- even though while I had no bias one way or the other about Tadd prior to the dance I was leaning towards a slightly negative bias on Jordan (especially after Tadd's "crayon" comment about her). But even someone who thinks there's a "special plane" to take all the contestants to Vegas, or who has to be told "space" over and over during dance rehearsals who comes out and dances like THAT deserves MAJOR CRED (as does Tadd).

Similarly, you all know I've been pulling for Iveta every season I've seen her audition (and I didn't get to watch either show live, or vote this week -- just finished up a while ago). But when I saw that she and Nick had Bollywood this early, I figured "the jig was up," and that if they HAD, per chance, given Iveta and Nick "a break" last week, that break was UP. Being "a fan" still didn't mean I was going to judge their dance better than it was, and it WAS, as Nigel said, "entertaining," respectable, but not up to "Joshua and Katie" standards. He DIDN'T need to say that. The fact that he DID led me to believe he WAS trying to influence votes, with the competition this tight. The simple fact is, like bPeacock said, Iveta left too early, but there's no way she was going to win the show, likely not going to make the top 10, even.

Wadi? Well, when I saw that Cha Cha with Missy it was CLEAR he didn't learn what he was REPEATEDLY told during rehearsals -- to SWIVEL HIS HIPS. He was stiff. He reminded me of a DWTS celebrity dancer during much of the dance, and that's NOT a compliment. As most of us will agree, B-Boys on this show are USUALLY more like Tadd -- chameleons who can pick up new styles much more easily.

What TRULY blew me away on last night's show, however, was when Ryan and Ricky ended up as the third couple in the bottom 3. I mean, I FULLY AGREED with all of the judges that their dance number was SMOKIN' HOT! (That was particularly surprising considering Ricky is a bit obvious as "a man's man," so to speak -- I wouldn't say that except that he sort of said it, himself, when they showed the replay of them setting out to start the dance and Ryan said they were going to be Sexy -- or something to that effect -- and Ricky said something like "NOT!"). At any rate, they WERE, and the dancing was excellent -- particularly Ryan's. I'm also a bit of a Ryan fan, since she got SO CLOSE last year -- even to having that aired home visit by Li'l C to tell her "not yet." And when I saw she was THE THIRD girl in the bottom three, I KNEW Iveta was TOAST (didn't really care about Missy one way or the other).

When they did their "dance for your life" routines, it was clear to me that Iveta KILLED her dance, as always, and Ryan did "a respectable" job, whereas Missy was sort of "just there." Wadi just "did the Wadi thing," like he figured he was gone, regardless -- he was probably right. Nick did a decent job of tapping, but he was just really getting warmed up at the 20-second mark. Ricky KILLED in his dance, and I saw it before Nigel said so.

So I KNEW Ricky was going to get picked to stay if there was ANY fairness. But on the girls' side, I also figured they'd keep Ryan even though Iveta probably did a better dance, for the very reasons Nigel stated to her... They feel she still has a lot of growing to do, and they want to see "where she can go." Iveta's just a bit "long-in-the-tooth" for the show, I fear, even though Melissa made it to Top 5 at the age of 29 (just a year younger than her -- and they're listing "woo-man" Robert's age as 31! on the show's website -- go figure!!! -- I gather someone TOLD Robert to HOLD THE WOOS this week -- apparently told the audience, as well). The difference is that Iveta looks older than Melissa did, for whatever reason(s) -- Personally, I think its' that she's a bit too thin. I still think she's a lovely woman and a FANTASTIC dancer, and she got some GREAT exposure on this show she'd never gotten before that could greatly help an already successful career. I saw her blow a kiss to her husband/boyfriend (I don't know which he is, but he shares a website with her) in the audience tonight, so I figure she's got a lot going for her these young dancers -- many just out of school -- won't have for years, maybe never, so I won't bemoan her early departure as much as I may have other, highly-talented dancers. Had I been Nigel, I think I would have made the SAME decisions he did.

However, I agree with whoever it was above (who WERE you???) who said they should wait until several weeks in to vote anyone off and THEN eliminate something like HALF the dancers at once. I even have an idea of how it could be done in such a way that would STILL make voting relevant, and perhaps MORE interesting than ever...

We could have judges' scores for each dancing pair each week, for one thing. I think we need it, regardless of whether it looks like a copy of DWTS, or not -- even if it's just a PLUS or a MINUS. THEN, each pair could be scored each week, with their actual number of votes, ranging from 10 -- 1, We'd get the results of ALL 10 TEAMS on the results show. (They could either keep a running tally of the ACTUAL number of votes for each team, or just each team's PLACE).

Then, each week, Each team is voted for again, and its place can stay the same, go up, or go down... After five weeks, the bottom five teams go... or maybe there's some sort of elimination for the bottom six or seven? I don't know... I'm sort of thinking this up on the fly, here.

At any rate, when you get to the Top 10, you could go back to a system similar to what we've had for the Top 10 all along (except I'm not sure what THAT will be this season, with the All-Stars back in).

All other thoughts are welcome... Maybe if we come up with a good enough plan, Nigel will consider it?
Jeff
post #235 of 840
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Wadsworth View Post

Did anyone else have audio issues in the first 1/3 or so of the show? Or was it just local here?

No audio issues out here on KTTV-DT (OTA) in LA on Thursday, other than the usual MUCH TOO LOW problem that has continued on from the entire AI season into this show. Don't have this problem on any other channel or program (including "Glee" and other programs also on KTTV-DT).

Only these two live shows AI and SYTYCD... something very odd with the audio and the mixing (specifically on AI), as confirmed by all three of my three different audio systems available for playing back these shows.

Now on Wednesday there were at least six dropouts from 16:9/HD/5.1 to 4:3/SD/2.0 throughout the show, for as short as a few seconds and also as long as maybe a minute or two before reverting back to the proper 16:9/HD/5.1. This could have been a local KTTV-DT issue.


On a more "substantive" matter, I thought the Dave Scott group number was one of the WORST routines I've seen on the show.

And I was very disappointed to see Nick get the boot. Not only unfair, but really unjustified... except that they were forced to throw off two guys tonight. I think he's a terrific all-around dancer, as shown by what he did with the quick step last week.

Similarly tough and disappointing on the girls' side, where I really didn't want to lose Iveta this early.

Oh well... it's really still only the "semi-finals" period of the show, and we haven't yet gotten close to Top 10 when it really starts getting hard to decide. There's much blood letting still to come over the next three weeks.
post #236 of 840
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I have to agree with you about the Dave Scott number, DS. When they said it was choreographed by Dave Scott (who's supposed to be a hip-hop choreographer, I THINK), I was like... WHAT??? Sure didn't look like hip-hop to me -- didn't look like much of ANY dance style to me -- looked more like some vapid attempt at androgeny -- at which it was pretty successful, since I not only couldn't pick out which dancer was which until the extreme close-ups at the end, I couldn't even tell which were girls and which were guys in most cases -- even with the shorts on! Maybe I missed something, but I certainly didn't "get it."

As for the sound issue, I haven't noticed any problems except there was one brief moment when Cat went to Nigel and Mary that their volume was off (WAY TOO LOW) for just a few seconds, but then it was right again. I WILL have to note, however, that I watched the first 6 (of 9 that I saw -- my video ended 13 seconds after they cut to commercial after the 9th dancers) upstairs on an SD TV, using its built-in stereo speakers, but fed only by coax cable from a box at the other end of the upstairs. I still get GREAT picture and sound on that old (Mid-90s?) 27" Apex TV in my bedroom. With our central air on the fritz, and the ONLY AC in the house in my mom's bedroom across the hall, sometimes it's just easier to lie in my bed, with both doors open and a fan blowing on me, and watch TV there. Not TOO bad down here, in basement, with ceiling fan going, but my bedroom is cooler, lol -- at least in THAT respect -- mom's on Fentanyl pain patches, now, which ad kookiness to her crankiness (seem to intensify the crankiness, as well), so it's "safe" around her ONLY when she's asleep, lol.
Jeff
post #237 of 840
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Originally Posted by bpeacock22 View Post

Bottom 3 just revealed. This is EXACTLY why what happened last week is not fair. Someone is getting screwed in 30 min. Two people safe tonight weren't last week. And a couple who put in strong performances both weeks will be cut. Can't wait to see how Nigel manipulates this and he didn't look happy. Of course is hands are tied now!

That is EXACTLY why what happened last week IS fair. They did it for a reason. Nigel stated it, he wanted people to see what each person had to offer. He felt that those in the bottom three should not of been there because they were the some of the strongest in the competition. So he wanted to give America another chance to see them dance. They did, they agreed, and a new bottom three was revealed. It accomplished EXACTLY what Nigel wanted it to do.
post #238 of 840
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post

...and it WAS, as Nigel said, "entertaining," respectable, but not up to "Joshua and Katie" standards. He DIDN'T need to say that. The fact that he DID led me to believe he WAS trying to influence votes, with the competition this tight. The simple fact is, like bPeacock said, Iveta left too early, but there's no way she was going to win the show, likely not going to make the top 10, even.

Why didn't he compare it to Jose's bollywood last season instead? It was much better than that. I'm frustrated that they made a big deal of not having balroom people try out durin gthe audition episode, and Nigel gets so excited to have tappers try out for the show, and then he sacrifices them in the first 2-3 weeks. If contemporary/hip-hop dancers are the only ones that do well on the show, they are the ones that you are going ot have audition.
post #239 of 840
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post

I have to agree with you about the Dave Scott number, DS. When they said it was choreographed by Dave Scott (who's supposed to be a hip-hop choreographer, I THINK), I was like... WHAT??? Sure didn't look like hip-hop to me -- didn't look like much of ANY dance style to me -- looked more like some vapid attempt at androgeny -- at which it was pretty successful, since I not only couldn't pick out which dancer was which until the extreme close-ups at the end, I couldn't even tell which were girls and which were guys in most cases -- even with the shorts on! Maybe I missed something, but I certainly didn't "get it."

It was obviously inspired by a scene at the end of The Thomas Crown Affair. Crown stole a Monet from the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC and he returns it under the eyes of the waiting police by hiring a small army of people about his size dressed in identical suits, faces obscured by bowler hats, carrying identical briefcases, walking the museum headed in every direction. On the show, the stage had a bunch of picture frames projected on the wall behind the dancers.

It was definitely a strange piece. There were a few hip-hop moves in there which had me thinking that it might have been one of NappyTab's poorest efforts .

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That is EXACTLY why what happened last week IS fair. They did it for a reason. Nigel stated it, he wanted people to see what each person had to offer. He felt that those in the bottom three should not of been there because they were the some of the strongest in the competition. So he wanted to give America another chance to see them dance. They did, they agreed, and a new bottom three was revealed. It accomplished EXACTLY what Nigel wanted it to do.

It's not fair because a contest has rules, clearly explained in the beginning and the judges shouldn't get to change them at will to obtain a result closer to what they want. A man and a woman drawn from the three couples whose performances least impressed "America" is supposed to be eliminated every week. They shouldn't get reprieved because Nigel didn't approve of America's decision. The same three couples might have been in the bottom three this week, but had Nigel followed the rules last week two of the people who were thrown off would have survived. Two of the 6 reprieved contestants (whichever two would have been dumped if Nigel had followed protocol) are unfairly getting at least two more weeks in the competition that they would have had (this week and next).
post #240 of 840
Think Iveta will be getting a call from the DWTS producers soon?
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