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post #241 of 840
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post

Wadi? Well, when I saw that Cha Cha with Missy it was CLEAR he didn't learn what he was REPEATEDLY told during rehearsals -- to SWIVEL HIS HIPS. He was stiff.

Any guy who has taken cha-cha or any Latin dance knows this his hard because it looks and feels so damn effeminate. Watch any social Salsa dancing and you'll see half the guys dancing just like Wadi did. I knew he was dead from the first ten seconds. Too bad he took Missy with him because she was great.

I love how Jean-Marc described it: "You wanna sell the product".
post #242 of 840
Last night's results show was an embarassment. The show this season has already been wildly underwhelming and saving Ryan last night just cemented my complete lack of investment in this season.

In case anyone didn't already know Ryan was Mia's assistant for a number of years and also has professional experience working with Tyce and other SYTYCD choreographers. So far she has had 2 barely average performances while being propped up as the "star" of a couple of the group numbers (gee, I wonder why) yet she was still voted in to the B3. Then, despite a woefully boring/uninspired solo she gets to stay while 2 dancers who have been much better are sent packing. Terrible, terrible decision and one that really calls into question the credibility of the show.

She may be a nice enough kid but her Stepford Dancer persona, pageant smile and obvious producer/choreographer bias are really leading me to dislike her. In fact, the only 2 girls I really do like so far are Miranda (who was outstanding in her hip hop last night) and Melanie (though she hasn't had to do much outside her comfort zone thus far). Overall the casting is reeeeaaallly "meh" this season.
post #243 of 840
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Originally Posted by mac707 View Post

Last night's results show was an embarassment. The show this season has already been wildly underwhelming and saving Ryan last night just cemented my complete lack of investment in this season.

Agree. SYTYCD is the show where America votes to help Nigel pick his favorite dancer.
post #244 of 840
In Ryan's defense, she did get saddled with the dreaded first spot among 10 dancers. "America" has a very short term memory.

And while the smile was a bit much, it's not like her dancing was terrible. I'd even say it was a step better than the routine of crowd-and-internet favorites Melanie and Marko.
post #245 of 840
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

It's not fair because a contest has rules, clearly explained in the beginning and the judges shouldn't get to change them at will to obtain a result closer to what they want. A man and a woman drawn from the three couples whose performances least impressed "America" is supposed to be eliminated every week. They shouldn't get reprieved because Nigel didn't approve of America's decision. The same three couples might have been in the bottom three this week, but had Nigel followed the rules last week two of the people who were thrown off would have survived. Two of the 6 reprieved contestants (whichever two would have been dumped if Nigel had followed protocol) are unfairly getting at least two more weeks in the competition that they would have had (this week and next).

But this show as always been it is the judges choice of who stays and who goes until like the top 10. So no surprise there that they knew who should stay and who should, been that way for years.
post #246 of 840
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Originally Posted by Viventis View Post

Agree. SYTYCD is the show where America votes to help Nigel pick his favorite dancer.

I see people complaining on both sides of this issue (about all of the voting shows). Some want voters to have little say others the opposite. Some want judges to influence others don't... not sure one way is better than the other. My picks would have been Ryan and the tapper so I was 1-1. Although I go strictly by who I enjoy watching dance the most certainly not who is the best.
post #247 of 840
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

But this show as always been it is the judges choice of who stays and who goes until like the top 10. So no surprise there that they knew who should stay and who should, been that way for years.

Certainly that's true, but the format gives them 6 people whom they can eliminate two of each week. Why ask for "America's" input at all if you're just going to manipulate things to turn out the way you want? It seems disingenuous. Sorts of, "Yeah, right--guess again, America."
post #248 of 840
As a dancer Ricky has a chance to set the standard this season, but when he opens his mouth and starts talking votes are flying out the window.
post #249 of 840
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

That is EXACTLY why what happened last week IS fair. They did it for a reason. Nigel stated it, he wanted people to see what each person had to offer. He felt that those in the bottom three should not of been there because they were the some of the strongest in the competition. So he wanted to give America another chance to see them dance. They did, they agreed, and a new bottom three was revealed. It accomplished EXACTLY what Nigel wanted it to do.

That's called manipulation, not fairness.
post #250 of 840
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Originally Posted by bpeacock22 View Post

In the long run, could Iveta have won the show? No. Should she have gone home tonight? Probably not.
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My issue with her going home this week is that it looks like the fix was in and she got stuck with Bollywood to make certain that she was in the bottom three.

If they had given her a chance to actually do a contemporary or jazz piece and she had still been in the bottom three and been eliminated, then I wouldn't have an issue with it.
post #251 of 840
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post

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However, I agree with whoever it was above (who WERE you???) who said they should wait until several weeks in to vote anyone off and THEN eliminate something like HALF the dancers at once. I even have an idea of how it could be done in such a way that would STILL make voting relevant, and perhaps MORE interesting than ever...
Jeff

That was me.

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We could have judges' scores for each dancing pair each week, for one thing. I think we need it, regardless of whether it looks like a copy of DWTS, or not -- even if it's just a PLUS or a MINUS. THEN, each pair could be scored each week, with their actual number of votes, ranging from 10 -- 1, We'd get the results of ALL 10 TEAMS on the results show. (They could either keep a running tally of the ACTUAL number of votes for each team, or just each team's PLACE).

Then, each week, Each team is voted for again, and its place can stay the same, go up, or go down... After five weeks, the bottom five teams go... or maybe there's some sort of elimination for the bottom six or seven? I don't know... I'm sort of thinking this up on the fly, here.

At any rate, when you get to the Top 10, you could go back to a system similar to what we've had for the Top 10 all along (except I'm not sure what THAT will be this season, with the All-Stars back in).

All other thoughts are welcome... Maybe if we come up with a good enough plan, Nigel will consider it?
Jeff

Yeah I like that idea. Just rattling off a variation of that off the top of my head ...

How about instead of giving judges scores on the "performance" night, they still have a "results" show. But instead of eliminating people on the results show, the judges reveal their rankings of the performance from first to last, combine the scores with the audience votes and with the previous week's totals. Then they could do the "dramatic" reveal of the new standings for that week.

That should make it look different enough from DWTS and hopefully would also ameliorate the people that seem to like the weekly elimination drama.
post #252 of 840
Look who showed up on TMZ last night...






They ran into him outside some gym in LA.

He put some pretty serious stress on his Achilles tendon doing this jump for them. I guess he's feeling fairly confident about not rupturing it again if he's willing to risk it by goofing around for the cameras.




BTW, yes that's the temperature at 10:35 PM in Phoenix in the lower right corner. Everyone please stopping spreading that stupid myth that it get down to the 30's at night in the desert in the summer. If you're lucky it's gets down to the 80's if you're not lucky it barely makes it below 100.
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post #253 of 840
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

Look who showed up on TMZ last night...






They ran into him outside some gym in LA.

He put some pretty serious stress on his Achilles tendon doing this jump for them. I guess he's feeling fairly confident about not rupturing it again if he's willing to risk it by goofing around for the cameras.




BTW, yes that's the temperature at 10:35 PM in Phoenix in the lower right corner. Everyone please stopping spreading that stupid myth that it get down to the 30's at night in the desert in the summer. If you're lucky it's gets down to the 80's if you're not lucky it barely makes it below 100.

Well, it gets down in the 50's in San Diego and that is technically a desert
post #254 of 840
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

Her leaping abiity and leg flexability are incredible; that slo-mo of her vaulting in the air, showing her legs extendig BEYOND 180-degrees, is nothing short of amazing!

Ok... guess I'm now officially on the Melanie team. I think she's the BEST dancer this season, and my favorite as well.






Also, does anybody else notice the striking resemblance to Ginnifer Goodwin??

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post #255 of 840
I see (and like) Emily Deschanel's eyes and jawline in Melanie.
post #256 of 840
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

I see (and like) Emily Deschanel's eyes and jawline in Melanie.

Wow, to each his own but I think Melanie has a strangely shaped body and head with the latter exacerbated by her short hair cut. Not in Emily Deschanel's league at all IMHO.
post #257 of 840
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Originally Posted by PMA View Post

Wow, to each his own but I think Melanie has a strangely shaped body and head with the latter exacerbated by her short hair cut. Not in Emily Deschanel's league at all IMHO.

Agreed about the 'to each his own' part, but when it comes to her dancing she's like Heather on Glee to me. If there's a number with dancing, my eyes are immediately drawn to Heather regardless of what else is going on. Same thing happens with Melanie.
post #258 of 840
I'm not a fan of the pixie look in general, but Melanie is a cute girl and certainly has a "dedicated dancer's body," which does (unfortunately) make her head appear even smaller than it actually is. It's obvious that she spends a GREAT deal of time dancing, and thus, all of the mucular tones have developed in the correct places to strengthen her dance skills to their full potential.

In stark contrast, Missy and Jordan are the "jiggliest" girls we've ever seen on the show. (That is NOT to say that these girls are "fat" in any way, just the least toned!!! Let's not mince my words, folks! ) While I do prefer a bit o' meat on my women, it doesn't help their performances one bit. How does one dance to the point of wanting to do it professionally and not get "ripped like Jesus?" http://comedians.jokes.com/greg-behr...getting-ripped

Hell, Kendall Glover is only 12 years old, and she's already got a better "dancer's body" than most girls will ever have! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjE5wS2VmbQ Why? Because she "lives 2 dance!"

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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

Agreed about the 'to each his own' part, but when it comes to her dancing she's like Heather on Glee to me. If there's a number with dancing, my eyes are immediately drawn to Heather regardless of what else is going on. Same thing happens with Melanie.

Absolutely! Heather's character is rather plain, but shen she dances, she utterly TRANSFORMS into the sexiest thing ever. The passion is definitely there.
post #259 of 840
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

In stark contrast, Missy and Jordan are the "jiggliest" girls we've ever seen on the show. (That is NOT to say that these girls are "fat" in any way, just the least toned!!! Let's not mince my words, folks! ) While I do prefer a bit o' meat on my women, it doesn't help their performances one bit. How does one dance to the point of wanting to do it professionally and not get "ripped like Jesus?" http://comedians.jokes.com/greg-behr...getting-ripped

Hell, Kendall Glover is only 12 years old, and she's already got a better "dancer's body" than most girls will ever have! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjE5wS2VmbQ Why? Because she "lives 2 dance!"

You cannot compare a 12 year old girl's body to one that's in her late teens to early 20's. Plus everyone's body is different. Some people will put on muscle very quickly versus others that remain slight no matter how hard they work out and train. Some people put on weight more easily than others.
post #260 of 840
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

Hell, Kendall Glover is only 12 years old, and she's already got a better "dancer's body" than most girls will ever have! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjE5wS2VmbQ Why? Because she "lives 2 dance!"

Why? Because she is 12 years old. My son has a flat stomach and six pack. Why? Not because he works out, because he is 5 years old.
post #261 of 840
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Also, does anybody else notice the striking resemblance to Ginnifer Goodwin??

My wife pointed this out the first time they showed her on the tv.
post #262 of 840
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Originally Posted by PMA View Post

Wow, to each his own but I think Melanie has a strangely shaped body and head with the latter exacerbated by her short hair cut.

Yes, women's bodies should not have strange shapes. It is wrong!
post #263 of 840
I don't get the "strange shape" comments. She's a compact girl who also happens to be quite muscular in her legs, which she uses to great effect in her dancing. I find her quite lovely when she's not moving, but absolutely stunning when she dances. None of them are tall with the exception of the tap dancer who just left, at least in comparison to Cat who towers over them all.
post #264 of 840
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

Think Iveta will be getting a call from the DWTS producers soon?

It's quite possible you're right. She certainly has the dancing "chops" for it -- especially for the types of dance commonly performed on THAT show.
Jeff
post #265 of 840
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

None of them are tall with the exception of the tap dancer who just left, at least in comparison to Cat who towers over them all.

How tall do you think Cat is? A whopping 5' 9".
post #266 of 840
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

How tall do you think Cat is? A whopping 5' 9".

I imagine she's about 6 feet tall in those heels, and most of the dancers are in bare feet. I was surprised at how tiny all of the male dancers are, but I guess its symmetrical with their partners.
post #267 of 840
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

I imagine she's about 6 feet tall in those heels, and most of the dancers are in bare feet.

I was thinking closer to 6' 6". She appears to be so tall I had to google her height and was shocked she is so short.
post #268 of 840
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

I don't get the "strange shape" comments. She's a compact girl who also happens to be quite muscular in her legs, which she uses to great effect in her dancing. I find her quite lovely when she's not moving, but absolutely stunning when she dances.

I don't see anything strange about her body but to my eyes her face is far from "lovely". The similarity to Ginnifer Goodwin's face is interesting, since Goodwin is quite beautiful. Interesting how a few relatively small differences can do that.
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None of them are tall with the exception of the tap dancer who just left, at least in comparison to Cat who towers over them all.

There've been male dancers in the past who were obviously taller than Cat if you stripped her of her heels, like Mark and Ade. The general short stature of this group might have been one of the reasons for dumping tap-dance-boy and Iveta--I think that both would look awkward dancing with any other the others. I expect Jess to go next for the same reason. Can you imagine him dancing with any of the girls if the girl was in heels as appropriate to her costume?
post #269 of 840
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I was a bit surprised Jess didn't end up going THIS time. As Nigel pointed out, all his partnering work was very STIFF. All you had to do was watch his footwork to see VERY "mechanical-looking" movement, like he was just learning the steps -- NO fluidity to it at all -- 100% contrast to his performance the previous week, when he got his own style. Combine that with the fact that unlike the broadway kid from Season 5? (Was his name Evan?), Jess isn't nearly as cute or likeable, and I just don't see him lasting much longer.

As for Melanie, I agree both that she's one of the strongest -- if not THE strongest -- female dancer in the competition, AND that her pixie-esque figure and face are simultaneously both cute AND a bit "disarming." She's NOT really what you'd call "pretty," but then neither was Lauren Froderman, who won last summer, although she was "cute enough" and danced well enough to end up looking fairly sexy quite often (I don't think Melanie looks as good as Ginnifer Goodwin, but then Ginnifer Goodwin might have A LOT more makeup on when we see her than does Melanie).

I didn't know all the things stated about Ryan, but considering she's still a teenager, I find it hard to believe she's been an assistant to Mia Michaels "for several years" AND done all those other things at such an early age. At any rate, I'm not yet sure if she's Top 10 material, either (I'm pretty certain Melanie is, as well as Ricky).

I think these partnerings should CHANGE every week in order to give dancers the chance to rotate through, and so that a good dancer stuck with a bad one isn't stuck there all the way to the Top 10, but they've NEVER done that, so far. Had Missy not been stuck with Wadi for that Cha-Cha, for instance, it's quite likely she'd still be here, but such is life.

Did you notice Nigel didn't mention a cover story on Dance Magazine as being part of the First Place any more? Did the magazine go under, or do you think deals just changed? I also wonder if the Gatorade sponsorship includes additional cash... I would think it should. Otherwise, the winner is doing ad work essentially for free, in my opinion (that short little blip they run of Lauren on a stationary bike on the website is so small and brief, I wasn't even 100% certain it was HER until Nigel made his announcement last week).
Jeff
post #270 of 840
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post
I didn't know all the things stated about Ryan, but considering she's still a teenager, I find it hard to believe she's been an assistant to Mia Michaels "for several years" AND done all those other things at such an early age. At any rate, I'm not yet sure if she's Top 10 material, either (I'm pretty certain Melanie is, as well as Ricky).
Ryan apparently toured the US and Canada with Mia Michaels for a year when she was 16 (from what I can gather Mia saw Ryan's performance of piece Ryan had choreographed and was so impressed that she offered her a job assisting; she and her mother thought Mia was just being nice until her business manager gave them his card and asked whether she had a passport--see a piece in her home town paper, here). You can see her on stage with Mia during that period in this:


Soon after that she performed professionally in a number on DWTS at age 17. She can be seen dancing (the lead) in a number from the finale of this past season of Glee here (it is very, very cool that Hulu features a tool with which to create a custom clip like that , though it doesn't make up for being interrupted by ads 6 or 8 times while trying to find the performance ); it seems unlikely that it's actually her singing but I suppose it's possible. Season 7's Ashley Galvin is in that number with her, and Lauren Gottlieb is in one of the following numbers; both pieces are performances by show choirs in competition with the Glee group--the show must be a godsend to young dancers everywhere, and particularly SYTYCD alums, who Fox seem to favor.

The DWTS performance is no doubt available on Hulu--you're welcome to look .

EDIT: According to IMDb, Ryan also appears in this episode of House in, I believe, a surreal broadway-style jazz number which begins at around 32:52. (This Hulu video doesn't seem to be embed/share-able so no clip editor. For some reason, Hulu has pre-made clips of the other 4 dream sequences in that episode but not that one . BTW, I now realize I could have searched for the performance in Glee entirely in the clip editor and only suffered a single ad).
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