Originally Posted by Ambrose
I get what you are trying to say but I really don't think there are squads of soldiers running around spamming 10 frag rounds in two seconds every chance they get.
I presume you're just exaggerating/estimating, but you can't even get off 10 rounds in 2 seconds no matter how fast your trigger finger (or with full auto). But even when you're close to that rate, the shots aren't even close to accurate or controllable. The accuracy hit the USAS takes when trying to fire it fast is one of the main reasons I don't think it's over powered, even with frag rounds.
That and the fact that the frag rounds don't even do that much damage per round. It takes 2-3 *minimum* to kill even with *direct* hits. With the recoil you need to wait between shots if you want them to be accurate, the realistic time to kill comes into reason IMO. At medium/longer range, it's 3 direct hits to kill. But let's be realistic, at longer ranges, getting direct hits on a (probably) moving target with frag rounds is not exactly easy, meaning you're relying heavily on splash damage, where you're looking at 4-5 rounds. Nearly half the thing's clip, and that's assuming pretty close hits that were accurate.
IMO someone with good aim is much more deadly with a G36C, famas, KH2002, M4A1, etc any day and will have a much better chance to pick up that kill. And with a gun like the famas, you're giving up nothing at close range. Not to mention that running the USAS and frag rounds runs out of ammo very quickly, and ammo boxes expire very quickly when refilling frag rounds.
Like I've said, I do agree that the effective range on it in the context of this game is a little high, but I don't see how anyone can argue that it is one of the most OP things in the game. Especially in this game, where it has a number of other problems (that I know the patch does/tries to address).
Originally Posted by mphfrom77
No, I am completely with you. (I'm not familiar with the USAS in real life though.). I think the main reason I run with the USAS is because when I am using the engineer class it is one more tool to help destroy vehicles, and I am not a big fan of any of the engineer guns. I've got like 900 kills with the USAS, so I feel qualified enough to say that for all it's upside it has an equal downside. The Famas is ridiculous, but it just blows through a clip and the reload time seems long. It's range with open sights is ridiculous. Where as a sniper rifle with a medium to longer ranger scope is wonky.
I think people's opinion on the USAS can get blown out of proportion. I'm not a big fan of it, or the Famas really. Post patch I see myself using the L85 more.
I have to find an Engineer gun to use, still. Do you guys have any suggestions? Lately I have gone back to the Scar, but found I had to take off the suppressor.
The G36C is pretty ridiculous. Up to about 25-30m you can run it full auto with minimal effect from recoil. And at longer ranges, you can get pretty long bursts in before the recoil is a factor. And even then, the recoil is very symmetrical and recovers quickly. Overall, I think it's one of, if not the, best engineer weapons.