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On the shotgun tip...it seems the new fave of shotty snipers is the 870MCS with a scope and slug rounds.
We were playing Rush on Oman, and I was getting sniped & killed by a guy with this setup. He was in the attacking spawn, I was by the A Mcom.
That's some serious range and accuracy for a shotty.

Well, I ran the AEK a lot before patch with foregrip+ suppressor and loved it but didn't work too good anymore. Felt too off for me so was experimenting for a bit and found the heavy barrel+grip is a good combo now. You definitely need to burst more than before at range and get used to recoil but you can still go full auto when firing from hip at close range.

That being said I will probably "retire" my AEK, got my platinum (aka 10 stars) yesterday and time to try something new. Might go with M16 finally to give it the attention it deserves to see if it will work for me since I hear so much about it. If anything I hope I can find an AR that works good with a suppressor since I got so used to playing pre-patch without having to worry about showing up on the minimap.

Here's some updated specs from Symthic(in beta still) http://symthic.com/?s=bf3&sb=beta

Here's some interesting stuff on certain weapons after the patch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH9X7...feature=colike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zXL1...4&feature=plcp

Played a bunch of rounds with Hapi yesterday and some observations...

AS VAL is pretty ****** now, if you're moving at all gun is wildly inaccurate (even with laser). To be fair I have not tried enough with extended magazine but I don't like the idea of "we'll make the gun less accurate and give you more bullets to spray". It was unique amongst PDWs for being super accurate weapon that you had to smart about engaging enemies due to small magazine, now it's a generic POS. Even considering switching to another PDW but will try to use it a bit longer and adjust.

For Assault switched to M16 and really like it. Still had some problems in CQC so was trying the shotgun under barrel and def helped but hard for me to give up the med pack.

Ya i was running the val last night and i felt the same. Any range and it felt like I was shooting an airsoft gun.
For CQ I usually open up off the hip and ADS by the 2-3rd burst. Even with acog, even face to face. It's an acquired taste not much different from running a semi-auto sniper.

If you switch to another PDW, give the PP-2000 a shot. It's a beast once extended mags are open.

I can't believe how ridiculous the M16 is now with the flash suppressor. Basically can fire full auto while scoped in and not worry about your shots being all over the place.

Yep. I'll continue to abuse it until they patch it in 2-3 months as well! Working on 30th service star for it

I've been tooling through PDWs since I ran out of support guns to open stuff up on. PDW-R & P90 I've really liked, UMP not so much. UMP was ok but not stellar. MP7 is cool and my current project. Need to work on AS-VAL & PP2000. These things have limited range and usually a 20/21 round clip and make you sacrifice an extended mag for a silencer but...the silencer is worth it. They also only take 150 tickets to completely open up.

HI ALL. thanks for the tips; will be trying some of these combos tonight.....

I had to go back to ol' faithful(M16) as well. However, I was using it w/ the heavy barrel w/ some success. I'll have to try it w/ the flash since you stated it was even more accurate.

M16 has been my goto since day 1. The heavy barrel was good before, now the flash suppressor is so much better its not even comparable.

I finally got the Nemesis Ribbon and Decorated Achievement..

Gotta love the Christmas Tree....

The patch made this really difficult.

I had to swith from Famas to M16A3 in Assault...

Still haven't found the best Engineer weapon after the G36C ..

Switched from Support M240 to PKP Pecheneg...

And the Recon USAS 12 to M98B or What??

Try the A-91, I liked it before the patch and I heard it only got better. I'm trying to get 500 kills with all the weapons and that was the first that I completed.

Try out the AEK for assault. Pretty darn good IMO. Almost as good as the famas was pre patch. I was surprised. M16 also a good choice for sure.

I too haven't found a good engineer weapon (G36C used to be my favorite in the entire game). Been using the PDW. It's OK.

For support, I'm loving the M60. Crazy how strong it is. And 1-2 round bursts are quite accurate.

Recon is still the L96 for me.

Some guy just went 75-10 on Metro with the dart? That thing sux but he was going to town.

Lost that handily but got a couple good multi kills with C4! Blasted the dart guy a few times too FWIW.

What is the dart?

Well my I did horrible tonight. I'm pretty pissed. It was the first time I really have played urban maps in a while. Definitely first since the patch. All the guns and all the gunplay seems so different. I completely failed. I'm over it. All this time in and now everything is so different. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong either. Too many things to list that drove me wild tonight.

I'll try again though.

I think I am going to rent a server for a couple days and play around with that to see how that goes.

Oh man I'm pissed about the gunplay tonight. Ugh

I kept getting killed by someone the other night with the dart as well.. I've never understood, wtf is the diff between it and the slug again?

I'm getting really tired of people w/ the 93R pistol killing me in a one on one w/ my assault rifle/LMG getting the hit marker!!!

Aren't dart rounds the equivalent of flachette rounds? I've yet to use them as there's really been no reason for me to give up the MASS.

I think dart rounds are for the mass. IDK but it was ridiculous that he was basically one shotting everyone he came across. I've noticed now too that shotties seem to be OHK at close range, that really sucks, maybe they always were and I'm only noticing it cause of the large ticket count matches but when your laying lead down and they Matrix around bullets and pop you with a shotty it sux.

Hmm...interesting. I thought the MASS was the only shotgun attachment that had more than 1 round (5). I know buck requires a reload after every shot. Haven't tried slugs or dart yet - from my understanding, slugs are for longer range shots while darts have better penetration through wood and metal, but cause less damage.

The MASS is beastly though. It's always been 1 shot for me - but I usually only use it when I'm within 5 feet of someone, so I'd hope it would kill them in 1 shot. It's also highly dependent on accuracy - if you're not dead center on the target, then it won't kill them with 1 shot (if it registers at all).

Still haven't found my new assault weapon.

For engineer the QBZ is deadly, give it a whirl.

Support is and always has been M60, my top kill gun, it seems even better after the patch. I run the Kobra RDS, foregrip, and extended mag if anybody is looking for a good setup with this gun.

For recon I'm an admitted L96 (almost a 1000 kills) hor, but I have to say the SKS is freaking beastly after the patch, I can't wait until I unlock some better scopes for this thing. Seriously anybody who liked this before the patch (I hated it) should absolutely own with this thing.

Why don't we start a list of guns and attachments people like to run? Let's just keep updating it so people have an idea of what's good - what do you guys think?

Assault

Engineer

Support
M60 - Kobra RDS/Foregrip/Extended Mag

Recon

All Kit

Pistols
.44 Scoped
M93R
G18 Suppressed

Vehicles
Tanks - Thermal Camo/IR Smoke/Guided Shell
Jets - Air Radar/AA Missiles/ECM
Little Bird - Laser Pointer/Guided Missile/ECM

Zath, I think it would eventually just have all the guns LOL. I guess people could just quote it and do a +1, +2, etc next to things they agree with, so people can see how popular/agreed upon a particular loadout is. But still, it will eventually get to be a huge post that has every weapon / combo in the game

Anyway, the 1911 is a beastly pistol. I prefer it to most primary weapons even. The G18 is OK, but sucks at anything but very close range, and runs out of ammo quickly.

On the M60, I like to run the flash supressor instead of extended mags for the lower recoil benefit. It was noticeable to me, and I couldn't take it off after having it on.

I'll have to try the QBZ for engineer. And the A91 again. I loved the A91 before I unlocked the G36C (pre patch).

Assault

Engineer
M4 - Kobra/laser/foregrip
Support
M60 - Kobra RDS/Foregrip/Extended Mag

Recon
M39 EMR - holographic holo/laser or 8x
All Kit

Pistols
.44 Scoped
M93R
G18 Suppressed (2)

Vehicles
Tanks
- Thermal Camo/IR Smoke/Guided Shell,
Jets
-Air Radar/AA Missiles/ECM
Little Bird
-Laser Pointer/Guided Missile/ECM
Attack Chopper
-pilot-air radar/ECM/heat seekers -gunner- stealth/flares/tv missle

Assault
(got 31st service star lastnight =<)

M16A3 - Acog/grip/flash suppressor
M320- On open maps
MASS- On close maps
Engineer
M4 - Kobra/laser/foregrip (2)
Support
M60 - Kobra RDS/Foregrip/Extended Mag

Recon
M39 EMR - holographic holo/laser or 8x
SV98- ACOG, straight pull
All Kit

Pistols
.44 Scoped
M93R
G18 Suppressed (3)

Vehicles
Tanks
- Thermal Camo/IR Smoke/Guided Shell,
-Reactive
Jets
-Air Radar/AA Missiles/ECM
Little Bird
-Laser Pointer/Guided Missile/ECM
Attack Chopper
-pilot-air radar/ECM/heat seekers -gunner- stealth/flares/tv missle
-Laser /ECM - stealth/flares/guided


Honestly my idea of the pistol is that the only time I want to have to use it is immediately after running out of a mag on my rifle. That's the main reason I have alway run with the G18. Its ROF is crazy and it outperforms a lot of guns in CQ. You can dump a mag in a guy coming up the stairs and still reload it before the guy comes up behind him. If I have to shoot it at range the guy is already hurt so a few small bursts and he is dead.

MPH- After flying with you last week and using the TV i just can't get into it in BF3. It should be a one shot on a tank, end of story. Not just a disable. Its awesome for killing the chopper across the map but console wise i just don't think it outweighs the performance of the guided missile.

Harp- Ya I agree on the MASS, i love that thing. I rotate between it and the M320 depending on the map. Now that frag rounds have been dulled I'll probably switch back to using the Med bag more instead of the m320.

One unforeseen positive I've experienced post-patch is that my scores have been getting better. I'm not playing any differently, but I am getting more kills now because I'm not running a silenced weapon and I am attracting more attention. Also, the guns have more stopping power at distance since the damage drop-off isn't as bad. I have been using it on the M4A1, and I have been killing faster than I was in the past. With all of the tweaking done to so many weapons, the M4 and M16 have largely been left untouched. They are still great weapons to use for both engineer and assault.

Does anyone use the suppressor anymore? With the buffs done to the heavy barrel, flash suppressor, and my discovery of the laser sight, simply staying off radar isn't that big of a deal. I will say that there have been sometimes when I could have used it, but that hasn't been too often.

Assault
M16A3 - Acog/grip/flash suppressor
M320- On open maps
MASS- On close maps
Engineer
M4 - Kobra/laser/foregrip (2), RDS/Foregrip/Flash Suppressor
Support
M60 - Kobra RDS/Foregrip/Extended Mag

Recon
M39 EMR - holographic holo/laser or 8x
SV98- ACOG, straight pull
M98B - ACOG/Straight-Pull Bolt/Laser Sight

All Kit

Pistols
.44 Scoped
M93R (2)
G18 Suppressed (3)

Vehicles
Tanks
- Thermal Camo/IR Smoke/Guided Shell,
- Reactive Armor/IR Smoke/Guided Shell (2)
Jets
-Air Radar/AA Missiles/ECM
Little Bird
-Laser Pointer/Guided Missile/ECM
Attack Chopper
-pilot-air radar/ECM/heat seekers -gunner- stealth/flares/tv missile
-Laser /ECM - stealth/flares/guided

The laser sight makes a huge difference on the sniper rifles in close quarters. It has saved me more than a few times now. I don't really like the American RDS sight except on the M16 and M4. The way the sights stay open is perfect with just the little dot for that extra accuracy help. I've also noticed that I do not really run anti-infantry setups on tanks/LAVs anymore. I feel like I have to use reactive armor and IR smoke just to keep the thing rolling and I need the guided shell to win tank battles. The canister shell, LMG and HMG are useless against other armor so I just can't justify using those secondaries. I am a bit exposed to infantry, but if I need to I can always shift to the gunner seat (and become a sitting duck).

I use the underslung in place of the grip on the M16 - I like the quick switch in close quarters for using the MASS. I'll throw on the M320 on Seine when there's some stubbon folk hiding in their little corners with claymores setup on the stairs.

SKS w/ ACOG is the only sniper rifle I have experience with - and I can't find a reason to stop using it.

G36 w/ RDS and Flash Suppressor for engineer - though I'm not a fan of it post-patch, I tried switching to the A91 and don't feel it's any better.

Gonna keep beating the dead horse with the PP-2000 on the support class. PP-2000 w/ extended mags may be one of the top guns in the game for me.

I'll second the 1911 - if you have fast fingers, I find it's a much better option than the G18.

M1014 and the SAIGA-12k are my goto shotguns post-patch. I just roll w/ normal buckshot and have good luck with both (absolutely love the M1014 now).

I have been having trouble locking onto things since the patch with anything...like a javelin, a soflam, a laser painter on a heli or the heli gunner trying to lock on with guided missles. It seems to bounce back and forth even worse than it did pre patch. The maddening part is vehicles with nobody in them seem to take precedent over an occupied vehicle. And then I think with the heli's guided missile the gunner can take too long trying to firing it off, especially if a tank is using smoke. Now the tv missile has a horrible downfall in that most of the time you miss the air vehicles and it takes forever, but I think it is better for ground vehicles in that it is immediate. I'll admit it may not indeed be the best choice. But I still think with practice it could be. (and snake I hope you help me try running with it some more)