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post #8551 of 16243
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Already been a vic. Wasn't impressed.

I used it a good bit yesterday just to try it out in TDM, its kind of funny using it because of how stupidly overpowered it is but at the same time I felt like a douche the whole time taking out snipers across the map with a couple of shots from it. It will be patched but its going to be abused a lot before they get the patch on Live. Don't think it will have as much of an impact in Conquest, but can see certain matches on Rush & a lot of TDM being dominated by it.

Of course I could just get all self-righteous about it "Since its in the game they obviously want me to be able to use it in this manner!"
post #8552 of 16243
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

So apparently you can have a bunch of admins on your server. Today I have made almost everyone in this thread an admin on the server I have been using. So most likely you guys have the capability to change the game modes, maps and manage the players in the match. I'm not sure how it all works when you are an admin.

The server again is, all small caps, just the letters avs .

I believe I got most everybody signed up as an admin. If not let me know. It might be found in the "multiplayer section" found under "my servers". If not there then you may just have to search it out and make it one of your favorites.

Feel free to jump on there and take control. Really. Or if you just want to jump on and play around with it to see how it all works.

Basically when you rent a server you can have up to 5 different map rotations (not including the dice already preconfigured ones). Each rotation can have up to 15 maps included in it.

The way I set it up with the different rotations was: one mixed bag, one squad deathmatch, one team deathmatch, one small urban map conquest, and one large epic map conquest. Now dice still has all their preconfigured map rotations, which you can't change the maps on, but you may be able to change the number of tickets and hud and minimap things, damage % and whatnot. Feel free to change everything.

Well, have at it. Really.

I've got some things going on so, frankly I don't know how much use I will get out of it and anyways I set it up so this community could enjoy it and because I was curious to see how it worked. I think it has many advantages.

Dive in check it out. Don't let it go to waste. I've made 16 people admins, if you are not one and want to be one let me know because there are more spots available.

Again the server is three letters in small caps:

avs

Thanks for granting rights, mph. I played a bit on the server yesterday with Spyder, but sadly no one was being an overt douche so I was not given the chance to abuse the power of the kick/ban.

If you want to PM me your email addy here or on XBL I'll be happy to donate some funds to keep the server up.
post #8553 of 16243
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Originally Posted by MatteoMS View Post


Of course I could just get all self-righteous about it "Since its in the game they obviously want me to be able to use it in this manner!"

This may start an argument but there is a difference in being what the developer intended (USAS) and being bugged/glitched/exploited (Dart rounds). Needless to say the Dart problem will unfortunately be here for a long time. I didn't mind the USAS, I've had my share of kills and deaths with it and had no issue. The Dart thing is obviously not an intended thing and seeing someone 75-10 already is not good for the future.
post #8554 of 16243
Thanks MPH, I had the opportunity to switch players around last night to make it even. I was trying to change a mode but didn't know how. I was going to switch Razor to the other side with all the randoms but decided not to. Anyway, something came up last night and had to quit early.
post #8555 of 16243
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

This may start an argument but there is a difference in being what the developer intended (USAS) and being bugged/glitched/exploited (Dart rounds). Needless to say the Dart problem will unfortunately be here for a long time. I didn't mind the USAS, I've had my share of kills and deaths with it and had no issue. The Dart thing is obviously not an intended thing and seeing someone 75-10 already is not good for the future.

I think there's a difference between a "slip up" mistake and poor judgement. The M26 issue is clearly a slip up. There's no way DICE meant the heavy barrel attachment to affect anything other than...the barrel.

I think DICE actually stated that they had made a slip up when not restricting the USAS's fire rate when using frag rounds. But perhaps this was just them saying that to cover up for their terrible judgement when the combo was so obviously OP. I think when the developer makes a genuine mistake and they overlook something then it's far worse to abuse that than to abuse something which may be equally imbalanced, but ultimately a developer decision.

However, I still think people who ran around pre-patch with USAS & frags demonstrated either a lack of sportsmanship or a lack of weapon balance knowledge. If DICE consciously and deliberately gave the FAMAS 2000rpm, no recoil and a 50 round magazine, it wouldn't be much consolation to know that they had done it accidentally or deliberately when getting shot by it. At least if accidental, you know a fix is coming, albeit in 4+ months. If imbalance exists that DICE don't recognise then that's not such an abuse, but a bigger problem.
post #8556 of 16243
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

This may start an argument but there is a difference in being what the developer intended (USAS) and being bugged/glitched/exploited (Dart rounds). Needless to say the Dart problem will unfortunately be here for a long time. I didn't mind the USAS, I've had my share of kills and deaths with it and had no issue. The Dart thing is obviously not an intended thing and seeing someone 75-10 already is not good for the future.

It wasn't intended for the USAS to not suffer a rate of fire reduction when using frag rounds. The latest patch corrected that. No need for an argument.
post #8557 of 16243
Take this as the joke it's intended to be: I'm unsportsmanlike because I didn't run around chipping away at a tank with a knife! The USAS debate will rage on forever, but it still wasn't a big deal no matter who's feelings are hurt. I almost have as many C4 kills as I do USAS, is it now OP? I literally have to walk within a few feet of someone, drop a pack, and either run off or suicide, but maybe it's too easy. I've ran 30 hours to get 1500 USAS kills, did 1400 in 15 with C4. That just screams OP right??

No real point to the post except to maybe point out that Dice has to listen to whiners on both sides, we want it easier, we want it harder. I really don't envy their job. I'm a middle of the road guy, I can see points on both sides. I don't care either way for the most part, all this is subjective to your personal viewpoint. Dart rounds actually need patched ASAP, that isn't subjective, that is actual fact. This is a game breaker. The guy I saw using it was almost invincible. I'd hate to see several running it.
post #8558 of 16243
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Originally Posted by Ambrose View Post


It wasn't intended for the USAS to not suffer a rate of fire reduction when using frag rounds. The latest patch corrected that. No need for an argument.

This is the first time I have heard that it was supposed to have a rate of fire reduction prepatch. I did not know that.
post #8559 of 16243
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post


This is the first time I have heard that it was supposed to have a rate if fire reduction prepatch. I did not know that.

Yea they said somewhere that it wasn't intended to fire that quickly (big BUT) but the damage was where they wanted it. So post patch they reduced both damage and fire rate plus the already low ammo count and self inflicted damage frags do. You know, I'm starting to get itchy on using this post patch. Have yet to try it out. I loved it on the single player missions and could not wait to unlock it.

Will have to take her for a spin this evening and see how effective frags are now. I'm hoping the self inflicted damage is reduced, cuz if I get just as many kills now as I did before and don't kill myself in process...well that could be a lot of fun.
post #8560 of 16243
There will always be OP combos. That's part of the game. Don't like it, play singleplayer. All patches do is fix one issue while causing a new one. Judging by how long it took for EA/DICE to fix the issues from the patch that came out with BtK, we will have to deal with this for 4 months.

Of course, playing on a private server does mean we could put "No Dart Allowed" and kick/ban people who start abusing it. In this manner, perhaps private servers weren't such a bad idea!
post #8561 of 16243
I've used USAS/frag combo post patch. I didn't see much of a change other than rate of fire. Since I typically single-fired my rounds anyways, the patch hasn't affected that style of gameplay. In fact, I've been thinking about working on the DAO-12 or SAIGA since spamming the trigger will likely give you a faster RoF anyways.
post #8562 of 16243
Haven't ran into the dart but i have been trying the standard M26 underslug and works pretty good already I guess the dart just increases the range?
post #8563 of 16243
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Originally Posted by Lord_Zath View Post

There will always be OP combos. That's part of the game. Don't like it, play singleplayer. All patches do is fix one issue while causing a new one. Judging by how long it took for EA/DICE to fix the issues from the patch that came out with BtK, we will have to deal with this for 4 months.

Of course, playing on a private server does mean we could put "No Dart Allowed" and kick/ban people who start abusing it. In this manner, perhaps private servers weren't such a bad idea!

+1

Anytime a patch addresses a sore spot the focus will move on to the next pain point. This extends beyond Battlefield, and even video games... But private servers are a good starting point for mitigating some of the headaches, for sure.
post #8564 of 16243
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Originally Posted by mark_j View Post

Haven't ran into the dart but i have been trying the standard M26 underslug and works pretty good already I guess the dart just increases the range?

The buckshot is usually a one hit kill close range. The dart is a one hit kill at much further range. I could even take out far off snipers with three shots. Just trying to imagine a pile of darts flying 600 yards and hitting a sniper is goofy.

It also seemed like it might give off major suppression. People I shot at once and didn't kill, just stood there waiting to get hit with the next. I'm not talking noobs the whole time either. It didn't matter who I ran across last night, they all die the same to this new silly super weapon.
post #8565 of 16243
trying to stay out of the USAS/dart argument but
Pretty sure the developer didn't intend for frags rounds to be the equivalent of a full auto m320.

Going into day number (??) post patch and i've ran into one person using the combo and no where near that video ALA PC video btw.

The dart won't be patched because people CAN do so well with it, it'll be patched because it needs to be just like with the frag rounds.

changes to the tanks, vehicles etc can be attributed to the whining. The frag rounds definitely were not.

as an edit-- Not saying the dart isn't more OP. it is.
post #8566 of 16243
Got in a match last night where DART was a problem. There was this one guy who killed me 12 times with that danged thing, messaged him several times telling him to stop abusing it to no avail. That thing is by far more overpowered than frag rounds ever were. OHK from any range is what I was experiencing. I'm not even sure I have those things unlocked. If everybody starts abusing them, which they will, I might have to start using them just to have a chance in a firefight. I don't mind being killed over and over by more skilled players (it might frustrate me) but I at least can admit when I'm up against superior players. If you use dart and kill me it was not about how good you were, rather how much of a douche you are for using something the developer didn't intend to be so overpowered.

This was just with one person, I can only imagine how bad it will be when you come up against entire teams using them.
post #8567 of 16243
We will figure out the server thing later this weekend. If you guys want me to renew it, that is fine, we will figure it out. If you guys want to go a different route that is fine we will figure it out.

Shortly after I made the admin changes in the middle of the night yesterday I found out there was a sudden death in my wife's family and I must be with them. I'm not looking for sympathy, just letting you guys know that is the reason I haven't been really commenting or playing. I do read the thread occasionally from my phone.

Like I said we'll figure it all out because obviously we need our own server. So make sure you guys are treating that server like you own.

Again the server is: avs
post #8568 of 16243
Sorry to hear that MPH. Now that I have the weekend I'll see if I can tinker with the server.

*Adjusts flame retardant suit* my point about the Dart is that if it is in fact receiving benefits it should not, then it should be treated like any other glitch like getting below the map or accessing areas out of bounds that you can't get to without cheating. This needs fixed, and not in the I don't like the USAS way. Not liking something is far different than game breaking things. The invincibility thing should have been fast tracked as well. Arguing about how OP something may or may not be is one thing. Someone using things as their not meant to be is another.

I've only encountered one person using it who really only got me with it a few times. At no point could I get the drop on that person, my gun just could not put out enough lead to get there before his one and only shot. The only reason I killed him the few times I did was by putting C4 down the stairs and blasting him as he came up. I don't have anything against people going 75-10 if they earn it. Strap on a cheat and get that and I have no respect for that person.

Another example, picked up the Orange Box for Half Life 2 a few years back. Decided to try the multiplayer part. The one and only game I ever played was against some cheaters that glitched themselves above our spawn so that as soon as we came in we were mowed down. Same with COD and those that get in upper floors on buildings, fly through the air, get under the map, or whatever else goes on.

I do not want to see BF turn into a glitch fest where legit players are just wasting time against people who physically can't be beaten legitimately. Ah well my 2 cents besides why am I whining about this and not online blasting away?
post #8569 of 16243
Sorry to hear that MPH, condolences with your family.
If it goes down, it goes down no worries. we'll get it back up.

Ya nexus I get what you mean. how far down can you customize the weapons list on the server? Can the dart be removed?
post #8570 of 16243
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Originally Posted by htskinner View Post

Sorry to hear that MPH, condolences with your family.
If it goes down, it goes down no worries. we'll get it back up.

Ya nexus I get what you mean. how far down can you customize the weapons list on the server? Can the dart be removed?

You can't remove weapons from the game. Per dice you can have a unranked match and put in your description what weapons are not allowed and kick them for using the weapons. But in a ranked match you cant kick players for using certain weapons.
post #8571 of 16243
Unlocked and tried the Dart tonight. Meh. Not that impressed. It still has to be used "correctly" in order to be that effective. Just like the USAS, where you had to shoot at the feet of someone and if you shot them i the face, little happened. If you don't get a headshot with the Dart, you'll easily lose to a 870 or 1014 shotty. (These guns are one-shot beasts now...everyone was using them tonight. EVERYONE.)
post #8572 of 16243
At 1546 C4 kills I'm now at número 34! Put down 145 people with C4 tonight!!

Started on the AS-VAL tonight too. That thing really climbs when fired too. Will definitely take some getting used too.
post #8573 of 16243
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

Unlocked and tried the Dart tonight. Meh. Not that impressed. It still has to be used "correctly" in order to be that effective. Just like the USAS, where you had to shoot at the feet of someone and if you shot them i the face, little happened. If you don't get a headshot with the Dart, you'll easily lose to a 870 or 1014 shotty. (These guns are one-shot beasts now...everyone was using them tonight. EVERYONE.)

Sorry I took your LAV kill felt like a douche after I did that.
post #8574 of 16243
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

At 1546 C4 kills I'm now at número 34! Put down 145 people with C4 tonight!!

Started on the AS-VAL tonight too. That thing really climbs when fired too. Will definitely take some getting used too.

You have more kills with just C4 than I have with my top 3 guns. You should just run around with the pistol, or even better - the knife, and drop C4 on everybody.

I finally got to the point where I can pilot the attack choppers and make evasive maneuvers and stay in the air. I still need to work on the killing aspect of piloting the chopper, but for now, I'm just glad that I don't immediately crash into the ground.
post #8575 of 16243
Figured I'd fire up my laptop and tinker with the server on Battlelog. Evidently all we can do is upload a banner wah

Got hatemail last night for supposedly stacking the server so we'd win from some ahole sour that we eeked out a win.
post #8576 of 16243
So for the dart to work properly (in the OP sense), you need a G3, right?
post #8577 of 16243
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Started on the AS-VAL tonight too. That thing really climbs when fired too. Will definitely take some getting used too.

Yeah, I think they increased the recoil on it latest patch. Besides that you used to be able to 2-3 shot burst and you're first 2 shots were like a laser beam it was super accurate. They also made it very inaccurate when moving but not sure exactly what that means but seem like if you start firing even while walking then ADS it's not accurate anymore but before it used to be. It felt really bad post patch and there's really not many options to tweak it attachments so pretty annoyed. You can either go laser or extended mag and I've been still sticking with laser like before but maybe now you must take extended mags and spray more dunno...

hapi used this gun even more than me prepatch but I think he gave up on post patch not sure if he ever went back to it. I'm still trying to stick with it to get it to 10 stars.
post #8578 of 16243
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Originally Posted by Lord_Zath View Post

So for the dart to work properly (in the OP sense), you need a G3, right?

Its overpowered with other guns too, but supposedly even more OP with the G3.
post #8579 of 16243
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Originally Posted by Lord_Zath View Post

So for the dart to work properly (in the OP sense), you need a G3, right?

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Originally Posted by MatteoMS View Post

Its overpowered with other guns too, but supposedly even more OP with the G3.

+1 X 2, With Heavy Barrel equipped its unstoppable.....
post #8580 of 16243
The AS VAL was and still is a favorite of mine. Pre patch the gun had a definite edge over other guns by having virtually no bullet drop or recoil. Combine that with a high rate of fire and quick reload and that gun was a beast even with the small mag. True you could burn through a mag quick, but you could still easily take out 3 guys burst firing before having to reload.

Post patch I've trying out lots of other guns since the ones I was mainly using before (Famas, AS VAL, USAS) have been nerfed, obviously making them less effective. Other than the dart, the rest of the guns in the game seem fairly balanced.

One of my new favs is the AN-94... very effective med to long range.
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