Battlefield 3 - Page 318

Originally Posted by atlienzz

So Zath, can you give a tip or two on how to properly take on a jet pilot who immediately goes into toilet bowl mode? Do you break off the opposite direction get some distance and come back? I'm pretty good at maintaining the proper turn speed to keep up but rarely can I actually get on their tail if they are any good at it.

Originally Posted by spyder696969

I finally pulled out the ol' BF3 disc and put it back in the tray...just to see my stats.

Nearly 1,500 jet kills (not much, I know ) but I honestly don't recall a single kill with heat-seekers. I'm sure I got a couple here and there, but since rocket pods let me at least participate in the ground game, I've stuck with those. I wish it showed how many vehicle disables I've got though...I'd be that it would be > 10,000, since I never get to completely destroy tanks and pilots always seem to bail on me.

Originally Posted by atlienzz

So Zath, can you give a tip or two on how to properly take on a jet pilot who immediately goes into toilet bowl mode? Do you break off the opposite direction get some distance and come back? I'm pretty good at maintaining the proper turn speed to keep up but rarely can I actually get on their tail if they are any good at it.

Originally Posted by Lord_Zath

I hate toiletbowling. SO. MUCH.

1. Try to out-turn him. Keep speeds at 280-300. Use throttle and brake to constantly change your speed, forcing your jet to power slide (drift!). Keep the nose pointed down using the rudder. Keep at it until the enemy gives up. Be prepared for him to change directions or attempt to just exit the circle. If he exits the circle, get on his tail and BOOM.

2. Circle over your base. With luck, one of your teammates will pull out a stinger. Two teammates working together can take down a jet that's circling right over them.

3. Find terrain to help you. Circle around mountains, the tower on Caspian, smokestacks on Kharg and Firestorm. Fly low and attempt to get him to hit a pole.

4. Change up your turns. Think of what a circle looks like on an X-Y plane. Remember you're three-dimensional. What does it look like on an X-Y-Z plane? Yup, the same. Use the rudder and start making a sideways circle - at like 45 degrees. It becomes more difficult to gauge speeds and altitudes if you're circling at 45 degrees. You can also go 90 degrees - doing loops and the like. Immediately after pulling a loop, rotate your jet and pull into another loop. With luck, your enemy won't realize you've switched directions.

5. Pop ECM, hope the guy is watching his radar and not your smoke, and try to exit.

Personally, I do 1. If 1 fails, I go to 3. I have the best luck with 4.

Originally Posted by atlienzz

4) Not sure I'm following you. Assuming I'm looking at the horizon, are you saying 45 degrees to the left or right, meaning I'm doing a loop 45 degrees from the horizon?

Originally Posted by Lord_Zath

Exactly. Air radar works the best when everything is on a flat plane. When things start going vertical, it becomes less and less useful.

Originally Posted by atlienzz

Interesting. Do you find it harder to maintain the correct turning speed when you take gravity into account? I'm sure this is more difficult to maintain but I can see the benefit if you get good at it.

Originally Posted by coyote_5

LOL, this is why I don't bother with the jets!

Too friggin complicated

Originally Posted by Lord_Zath

...Think of what a circle looks like on an X-Y plane. Remember you're three-dimensional. What does it look like on an X-Y-Z plane? Yup, the same. Use the rudder and start making a sideways circle - at like 45 degrees. It becomes more difficult to gauge speeds and altitudes if you're circling at 45 degrees. You can also go 90 degrees - doing loops and the like. Immediately after pulling a loop, rotate your jet and pull into another loop. With luck, your enemy won't realize you've switched directions...

Originally Posted by spyder696969

Also, does anyone recall what gun gave you something like 400 bullets with extended mag after the patch?

Originally Posted by jsacevedo


I prefer to piss and moan about how OP they are.

Originally Posted by spyder696969

Also, does anyone recall what gun gave you something like 400 bullets with extended mag after the patch?

Originally Posted by lordxar5

Feeling inadequate? Got a hallway to suppress? Inquiring minds want to know.

Originally Posted by lordxar5

Jets are only OP when underslung on a G3A3.

Originally Posted by spyder696969

also, does anyone recall what gun gave you something like 400 bullets with extended mag after the patch?

Originally Posted by mphfrom77

BAT vs AVS CQ Seine Crossing:

(I wish I would have gotten Grand Bazaar as well too. But I forgot to hit record until right after this game on Seine had begun...which was the 2nd game. I felt I had to make it into 2 videos as opposed to speeding things up or deleting part of the video.)

Part 1 of 2:



Part 2 of 2:

Originally Posted by mphfrom77

Again, I think it is hilarious the way the screen shots worked out on just a random youtube whim. Petastic comes over and joins our thread thanking me for the videos. And there he is, a screen shot of him blasting me away with his MP7. Funny.

Shoompy I didn't think about hooking back with you and making another run with the Tank. I thought you did very well on the first run. I think it helped us out quite a bit early on. Did you take it out again later in the match?

Originally Posted by spyder696969


You're talking about perfoming a helix and then a reverse helix, correct?

(Although a proper helix would actually be more like 75 degrees, rather than 45.)

Originally Posted by coyote_5

LOL, this is why I don't bother with the jets!

Too friggin complicated

Originally Posted by jsacevedo

I prefer to piss and moan about how OP they are.

Originally Posted by sirjonsnow

I think he's talking about an Immelmann.

Eta - or actually a smaller Immelmann turn (not a full 90 degrees) into another turn

Originally Posted by mphfrom77

Originally Posted by Lord_Zath

5:00 - you're moving very slowly -too slowly (140). At that speed, you're not very maneuverable. Easy to get behind and shoot out. You got there by trying to turn and engage the chopper, which is understandable. But you need to engage it at a farther distance. So next time, wait a few seconds before turning. Of course, who knows if I would've ended up on your tail anyways.

6:00 - you had a great opportunity to take me out. I was going or a missile shot, flying low, slow, and straight. I had no idea you were next to me!

The only real issue I'm seeing with you is that you're trying to do too much at once and engaging enemies at too close a range. When taking off, don't fly right towards the objectives; fly to the edge first, look at the situation, and then engage whatever target you choose. It's nice seeing the video of your flying - it's neat seeing another perspective

Originally Posted by Lord_Zath

5:00 - you're moving very slowly -too slowly (140). At that speed, you're not very maneuverable. Easy to get behind and shoot out. You got there by trying to turn and engage the chopper, which is understandable. But you need to engage it at a farther distance. So next time, wait a few seconds before turning. Of course, who knows if I would've ended up on your tail anyways.

6:00 - you had a great opportunity to take me out. I was going or a missile shot, flying low, slow, and straight. I had no idea you were next to me!

The only real issue I'm seeing with you is that you're trying to do too much at once and engaging enemies at too close a range. When taking off, don't fly right towards the objectives; fly to the edge first, look at the situation, and then engage whatever target you choose. It's nice seeing the video of your flying - it's neat seeing another perspective

Originally Posted by spyder696969

Well, his first mistake at the 5-minute mark was not going after you when you (or the other jet) showed up on the right of the mini-map. He continued straight and then turned left when you were heading right. Jets should ALWAYS go after other jets first. Period....