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TroubleShooting checklist for stuttering with WHS

post #1 of 16
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Checklist to troubleshoot stuttering on WHS


If your bluray rips/ HD files stutter when played from the WHS, but not from a local drive, then use these as a checklist. After a year of no issues with my WHS, I suddenly saw stuttering with my bluray rips on my WHS. After a couple of days of trouble shooting, and finding that there were multiple sources for my stuttering issue, I thought it would help others to document what to look for.

Disk running in PIO & not UDMA
  • Log on to the WHS using remote desktop.
  • Navigate to Control Panel=>System=>Hardware Tab=>Device manager.
  • Select View=>Devices by connection
  • Expand the SATA/ IDE controllers, and right click the primary/ secondary IDE controllers.
  • If there is a drive connected to the primary/ secondary channel, and if it says PIO instead of UDMA, you've got a problem.

  • Change to UDMA mode, and reboot. If that is not available or if the option says otherwise, right click the SATA or IDE controller, uninstall the device and reboot.
Failing Disk/ bad sectors
  • Use something like Home Server SMART or the disk management WHS plugin and monitor drive health.
  • It is recommended to remove any failing drives from the storage tab and replace them before further data loss occurs.

Demigrator/ Backup process running in the background
  • Temporarily turn off the demigrator service to see if that is the problem. However this service is required for folder duplication. (under Control Panel=>Administrative Tools=>Services=>Right Click Drive Extender Migrator Service=>Click Stop). Checkout this blog to schedule the demigrator to run during non-peak hours.
  • If the WHS backup process runs while streaming a movie it is likely to cause stuttering. Again schedule these to run during non-peak hours.

Drives not balanced/ Fragmentation
  • Run the drive balancer tool so that data is moved to non-system drives. Special thanks to BeefCake.
  • Defrag the WHS drives regularly. Go to Administrative Tools=>Computer Management=>Disk Management=>Select a drive & Right Click Properties. Select Tools=> Defragment.
  • Formatting a WHS drive with 64KB clusters also helps. But this has to be done while adding a drive.

Network issues
  • Antivirus/ Firewall/ Packet inspection software. MS Security Essentials has a network inspection feature, which causes heavy stuttering on some systems. My nvidia controller displays this problem, but my Marvel/ Intel controllers don't. Disabling the network inspection feature resolves the issue.
  • If you have an Nvidia network controller, the Network Access Manager software bundled with nforce drivers, causes serious performance issues. It is recommended to uninstall NAM. This also causes issues with my HDHomerun tv tuner. Update network drivers and check other antivirus, firewall and network software to see if that is a source of the problem.
  • Enable jumbo frames if supported by your switch/ router and network controller. This causes issues with some network controllers, so YMMV.
  • Upgrade to a wired gigabit switch/ router. Avoid wireless if possible. Even wireless-n is not sufficient, especially for multiple bluray/ HD streams. Of course YMMV.
post #2 of 16
Excellent writeup, hopefully this will help folks who have stuttering issues with WHS. It also shows how difficult it can be to troubleshoot stuttering as there can be a lot of variables. Once I scheduled demigrator to shut off during "movie hours" (you linked to my guide) my stuttering went away.
post #3 of 16
Nice guide! Some of this stuff I wouldn't have thought of...
post #4 of 16
Stutter can also be mitigated by using NFS instead of SMB. This is currently the fix for stuttering Blu-Rays on the Netgear NeoTV 550 media servers. Their SMB implementation is problematic.
post #5 of 16
Hey, I'm pulling up an old thread, because I still can't figure out what is causing my stuttering, but I do have some valuable information to assist in troubleshooting.

1. Disabled the Realtek LAN, installed Intel Gigabit card. Currently running latest version of the Intel driver, but I seem to recall someone saying the MS driver was better? When I installed the card, no MS driver was available that I could find.

2. AMD Athlon X4 610e processor.

3. When copying a file (just a raw copy, not streaming), I get very poor network speeds, and on the server side one core of the processor pegs at 100%. Looking at Performance Monitor, show processes from all users, there is almost no processor usage at all, in fact System Idle Process is sitting at 99%. I am not sure how that's possible with one of the cores pegged.

Disabling all other add-in applications, disabling AV, etc. has no effect on this core being pegged. I'm still thinking it has something to do with the NIC.

Any help is greatly appreciated. This has been an ongoing battle.

I should also mention all the above steps have been taken into consideration, for example demigrator is off during this issue.
post #6 of 16
Never had any problems playing Bluray ISO from WHS.
What I have done is:
1/ WHS box is P4 2.4 ghz (yes an old 2.4 P4 has been running as file server for about 8 yrs)
2/ There is a 1 g PIC intel NIC card.
3/ The HTPC has onboard 1G Network port.
4/ The switch/Hub is 1G with 32GB bandwidth
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by BobSalita View Post

Stutter can also be mitigated by using NFS instead of SMB. This is currently the fix for stuttering Blu-Rays on the Netgear NeoTV 550 media servers. Their SMB implementation is problematic.

Do you mean native blu-ray rips (ISO format) or MKV rips of blu-rays? I can stream MKV's over SMB to my NTV550 from a standard WHS 'green' data drive with no problem whatsoever. Entire LAN is wired Gb.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

Hey, I'm pulling up an old thread, because I still can't figure out what is causing my stuttering, but I do have some valuable information to assist in troubleshooting.

1. Disabled the Realtek LAN, installed Intel Gigabit card. Currently running latest version of the Intel driver, but I seem to recall someone saying the MS driver was better? When I installed the card, no MS driver was available that I could find.

2. AMD Athlon X4 610e processor.

3. When copying a file (just a raw copy, not streaming), I get very poor network speeds, and on the server side one core of the processor pegs at 100%. Looking at Performance Monitor, show processes from all users, there is almost no processor usage at all, in fact System Idle Process is sitting at 99%. I am not sure how that's possible with one of the cores pegged.

Disabling all other add-in applications, disabling AV, etc. has no effect on this core being pegged. I'm still thinking it has something to do with the NIC.

Any help is greatly appreciated. This has been an ongoing battle.

I should also mention all the above steps have been taken into consideration, for example demigrator is off during this issue.

Your specs seem similar to mine and I have no stuttering issues. Do you have any switch(es) in the mix, how are your hdds looking (any smart issues)?
post #9 of 16
I do have switches, all 1gb. I don't believe it's the switch that's causing the problem, since I see that processor core getting taken over by the network connection.

I do run Home Server SMART, looked through it and saw no issues. All drives are 512 bytes per sector.

The HTPC side is a Pentium 5200, onboard gigabit. It plays fine locally.

The stuttering will happen with any hi-def source, not just ISOs.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post
I do have switches, all 1gb. I don't believe it's the switch that's causing the problem, since I see that processor core getting taken over by the network connection.

I do run Home Server SMART, looked through it and saw no issues. All drives are 512 bytes per sector.

The HTPC side is a Pentium 5200, onboard gigabit. It plays fine locally.

The stuttering will happen with any hi-def source, not just ISOs.
Did you have the issue before you switched to the Intel NIC?
post #11 of 16
Yes, I installed the Intel based on recommendation regarding my Realtek being the problem.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

Yes, I installed the Intel based on recommendation regarding my Realtek being the problem.

Hmmm....not sure what is going on. Is your HTPC and WHS connected to the same switch or different ones? If different ones can you try connecting to the same switch (just trying to rule out all possibilities). Otherwise it could be a bad drive (not all drives going bad will show up in those SMART tests), maybe bad RAM, etc...
post #13 of 16
I can try the one switch thing. They are on two switches at the moment.

Would a bad drive cause the processor core to peg?
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

I can try the one switch thing. They are on two switches at the moment.

Would a bad drive cause the processor core to peg?

Hard to say, bad drives can cause a lot of unexpected issues.

I actually ran into a crazy issue this weekend. I was trying to copy over a 60GB file (LOTR). The transfer would start out fine, then slowly the transfer speed would drop, and within 15 minutes I would get a message that the transfer failed due to insufficient resources. During this attempted transfer it was spinning one of my HDDs out of control (presumably the one being copied to), bringing the heat up on that drive very quick. After searching around it appears others have had the same issue with large files (I typically transfer 30-40GB files without issue). Some used different software to get around the issue, others pointed it to hardware issues (i.e. RAM). Point being, it is always difficult to pinpoint network issues. Testing on just one switch should help eliminate some potential problems (maybe something as simple as a bad cable)
post #15 of 16
I'm starting to think I either have a hard drive problem, or a hard drive heat problem. I'm going to start removing drives from the pool one at a time. Oh the fun of backing up 6 TB of data one drive at a time!
post #16 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

I'm starting to think I either have a hard drive problem, or a hard drive heat problem. I'm going to start removing drives from the pool one at a time. Oh the fun of backing up 6 TB of data one drive at a time!

Yeah, sorry to hear you are having issues. Nothing can be more frustrating
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