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post #211 of 6787
Hey edorr, thanks so much for the offer! However, the CB3HD seems to have a different procedure as the old one does not work...

Unless you know the new one? :-)

Cheers,
Ken
post #212 of 6787
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Originally Posted by kenlong69 View Post

Hey edorr, thanks so much for the offer! However, the CB3HD seems to have a different procedure as the old one does not work...

Unless you know the new one? :-)

Cheers,
Ken

That is surprising. So you cannot get into the setup menu using the traditional method? All I have are instructions that worked pre-upgrade.
post #213 of 6787
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Originally Posted by kenlong69 View Post

Hey edorr, thanks so much for the offer! However, the CB3HD seems to have a different procedure as the old one does not work...

Unless you know the new one? :-)

Cheers,
Ken

I was going to say, if you tried the old procedure, I'd be interested to know what the outcome was!

At the very least, Theta changed the "confidential Password" cause as we see here, it's been anything but confidential lately.
post #214 of 6787
Indeed! The old password DOES NOT work on the new CB3HD. :-(
post #215 of 6787
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Originally Posted by kenlong69 View Post

Indeed! The old password DOES NOT work on the new CB3HD. :-(

With your sort of a problem, you should be able to acquire the info you need through legit channels.
There should be no need for getting this kind of info in a back alley.

I'm sure once you do get the required info, Theta will request that you keep the confidential info they send you...confidential

A reasonable request, since everyone who might come across this info may not be exactly the biggest tech head in the world.
And even though it seems like childs play to most of us, there are those who might decide to give it a whirl and screw-up his or her expensive piece of gear. This is what Theta is trying to avoid.
post #216 of 6787
BB - Absolutely, I agree. I'm contacting Craig also, to see if he can help out.

Cheers,
Ken
post #217 of 6787
OK so I got the password ( I guessed it actually) and changed the DAC config... definitely the DAC is the problem... I am getting no sound from any of the channels in any configuration. :-(
post #218 of 6787
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Originally Posted by kenlong69 View Post

OK so I got the password ( I guessed it actually) and changed the DAC config... definitely the DAC is the problem... I am getting no sound from any of the channels in any configuration. :-(

I assume you still get a new warranty when you upgrade? You are going to have to get it repaired at some point.
post #219 of 6787
Well I hope that I can simply send in the DAC for repair since I just got my baby back!

Ken
post #220 of 6787
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

Interestingly, it could indeed be the case you are not getting these goodies (dynamics and low frequency slam) on a $5,000 tube preamp, and may have to look at more expensive tubes or high end solid state to best the six shooter. In any case, based on my experience, I'm definitely in the market for a preamp upgrade - just not sure if I should try something like an Aethetix Calypso or a Pass Labs XP-10 (or XP-20) first.

I tried the Aethetic Calypso in my system about 3 years ago. I had it in there for a few days, well run in. While the sound was ok, I found it thick, dark, and heavy in the mids and bass. Absolutely not at all like my Ayre K-1xe which is fast, dynamic, and very transparent...and compared to the Calypso, maybe a bit lean on the bass (associated equipment was two Theta Dreadnaughts operating as monoblocks to Dunlavy SC-IV/a).

The Calypso I had, which was on loan from my local dealer, had a noisy volume control as well. Soft "clicks" can be heared when turning it up and down.

I don't own any other tube gear. Maybe I'm just not used to this sort of sound. To me it didn't offer an audible improvement - just something different. The only improvement I can recall is feeling a little cozier in my room when listening to it. The temperature in the room went up because of the tubes giving me that nice warm feeling all over
post #221 of 6787
Thanks Steve for the update regarding your impressions of the Gen VIIIv2 analogue preamp using both digital and analogue from your Marantz.

I need to make some decisions soon. Very soon. I do want a CIII-HD. I care about both 2-channel and multichannel as I prefer both movies and music as main listening.

As most of you may know, I use the Ayre K-1xe as my 2-ch preamp and set the volume knob at the "bypass" level for HT going through one of the inputs. This causes my front two HT channels going though a separate signal path that the rest of the HT doesn't go through. It doesn't appear to be degrading.

But going to a Gen VIIIv2 seems to eliminate this pass thru when combined with the CIII-HD. I can feed in my CD player as a transport and use the pre/dac and enjoy my CD sound. I am just concerned about the analogue inputs...and Steve, you claim they sound very good, because I run vinyl as well and the K-1xe has an awesome vinyl preamp inside. I'll admit that vinyl is not my main listening...but I would hate to take a HUGE step backwards if the Gen VIIIv2 is not a good analogue pre performer.

I just read through the manual of the Gen. VIIIv2. Now those of you who have a CIII with a digital out card into a Gen VIIIv2...my question is this:

Which method is the correct method?:

1) The CIII-HD has the master volume as well as the volume controls on a per-channel basis. Are the independent-channel volume controls in the Casablanca III still used prior to the audio going through the digital outs and the Gen. VIII.v2 is set to unity gain?

2) the CIII-HD takes the HDMI audio as a "surround transport" with a master gain control, sends the unaltered channels (no independent volume, no delay) through the digital out cards to the Gen VIIIv2, in which the Gen VIIIv2 acts as both the DAC for each pair of channels and the volume control for each channel to set the appropriate channel level during first setup. Once the three Gen VIIIv2 units are set up (for 6 channels), then the Casablanca's main volume control dictates the overall level.

If option #2 is correct, then this would allow me to use the first Gen VIIIv2 as my 2-channel preamp as well...going to the two main channels...when I switch to any other digital/analogue input.

post #222 of 6787
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

I just went back to listen on the SS to the tracks I listen to on the Jungson JA-10 earlier this afternoon, and the SS is smoother in the high frequencies, and indeed devoid of any coloring. However, in terms of dynamics and bass slam, the SS cannot hold hold a candle to the Jungson. The six shooter sounds like I would imagine a very good passive preamp would sound like, which is consistent with Bulldoggers experience who commented a while ago he could not distinguish it from the Placette passive.

I think if I get a 5K Solid State pre I will be giving up some transparency and get more dynamics in return. If I get a 5K tube I will keep the transparency without getting the dynamics (i.e. a lateral move). Getting the added dynamics without loosing some transparency may indeed require something more in the 10K+ MSRP range.

It is not very difficult to beat the Six Shooter at the 10k price point. Perhaps the newer 5k preamps are more competitive than some of the designs I tried. I am still skeptical of that. You may find "different" sound for sure but not more transparent. One of my buddies who sells his own custom preamps, tells me that the reason for the differences in dynamics between the Six Shooter and Gen VIII series 2 is likely the power supply. This is why I am investigating the Gen VIII. The same volume controls placed in a unit,Gen VIII, with a significantly more robust power supply.

Also, I find that that many designers do not design for just transparent sonics. Most gear is voiced for a certain sound. Check the reviews to see if a design favors one part of the spectrum. Midrange and bass are places where commonly there can be boost. Everyone has preferences. When you find someone that has similar preferences as you do, they are often a good source of advice. Chuck Kennedy, once a local Hi Fi salesman in my area and I believe now at Acoustic Sounds, was a great source for me. His experience was a tremendous help in guiding me. http://www.2channeldistribution.com/...cfm?do=aboutus I think we forget in the internet age,that while prices are much cheaper,you are largely on your own to discover great gear. Another source that I use is Antony Cordesman who reviews for the Absolute Sound. I am scratching my head trying to think of something he likes that I do not ,hmmm.
post #223 of 6787
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Originally Posted by Michael Osadciw View Post


I just read through the manual of the Gen. VIIIv2. Now those of you who have a CIII with a digital out card into a Gen VIIIv2...my question is this:

Which method is the correct method?:

1) The CIII-HD has the master volume as well as the volume controls on a per-channel basis. Are the independent-channel volume controls in the Casablanca III still used prior to the audio going through the digital outs and the Gen. VIII.v2 is set to unity gain?

2) the CIII-HD takes the HDMI audio as a "surround transport" with a master gain control, sends the unaltered channels (no independent volume, no delay) through the digital out cards to the Gen VIIIv2, in which the Gen VIIIv2 acts as both the DAC for each pair of channels and the volume control for each channel to set the appropriate channel level during first setup. Once the three Gen VIIIv2 units are set up (for 6 channels), then the Casablanca's main volume control dictates the overall level.

If option #2 is correct, then this would allow me to use the first Gen VIIIv2 as my 2-channel preamp as well...going to the two main channels...when I switch to any other digital/analogue input.


You set the Gen VIII, in the menu, to the fixed volume, instead of variable volume, when you connect it to the CB3 HD. Also, in the Gen VIII menu, you set the Gen VIII so that it handles the particular channels you desire in combo with the CB3 HD! Craig says that the Gen VIII volume control is used for the Gen VIII channels even though the CB3 HD channel levels and master volume are used for those purposes.

So you can set up multiple Gen VIIIs, and configure each of them for the specific channels you want to work in combo with the CB3 HD!
post #224 of 6787
Since I have a Six Shooter for my analogue preamp, I am more than satisfied with the Gen VIII Series 2 as a two channel preamp because its better. But that doesn't mean its necessarily as good in your system as your Ayre. You would need to demo them against each other to determine that.
post #225 of 6787
Well, reading further, yes, I get it now...the CIII is connected to the Gen VIIIv2 with external volume jacks...so even though the channel levels are set on the Casablanca, it's actually interfacing with the Gen VIIIv2 and controlling the volume in the Gen VIIIv2.

Frickin' cool. I like that.

Now...as far as the Gen VIIIv2 vs. the Ayre... I guess I'll need to compare that here. Blah!
post #226 of 6787
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

It is not very difficult to beat the Six Shooter at the 10k price point. Perhaps the newer 5k preamps are more competitive than some of the designs I tried.

You may be on to something here, the new $5,500 Pass Labs XP-10 apparently is at least as good as their X0.2 which was their top of the line $10,000 just 3 years ago. The new $8,600 XP-20 handily beats it. Technology moves on.....

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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

One of my buddies who sells his own custom preamps, tells me that the reason for the differences in dynamics between the Six Shooter and Gen VIII series 2 is likely the power supply.

The XP-20 has a BIG outboard powersupply....

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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

Another source that I use is Antony Cordesman who reviews for the Absolute Sound. I am scratching my head trying to think of something he likes that I do not ,hmmm.

Anthony reviewed the XP-20 for TAS and it was awarded 2009 product of the year.

Damn, I might just give one of these things a try, if one shows up reasonably priced on audiogon....

Forgot to mention. The Pass also has 1db volume increments, allowing you to integrate it with the CBIII as mains in a multi channel setup. What you need is a macro on a programmable remote that sends one increment step signal to the Pass and one to the CBIII...
post #227 of 6787
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Originally Posted by Michael Osadciw View Post

The only improvement I can recall is feeling a little cozier in my room when listening to it. The temperature in the room went up because of the tubes giving me that nice warm feeling all over

This is the last thing I need. I have 2 200wpc pure class A monoblocks that double as space heaters. Nice in winter - a bitch in summer.
post #228 of 6787
I was discussing the Aethetix Calypso with a friend. His position is that the company continually upgrades the preamp and older comparison are not valid. Try the Signature is his suggestion.
post #229 of 6787
...and that may very well be. After all, the unit I had was in Jan./08. Much can happen in three years time!
post #230 of 6787
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

I was discussing the Aethetix Calypso with a friend. His position is that the company continually upgrades the preamp and older comparison are not valid. Try the Signature is his suggestion.

The contenders are:

Calypso - used $2,500
Pass XP-10 - used $3,000
Calypso signature - used $4,000
Pass XP-20 - used $4,500

I'm leaning towards trying solid state first.
post #231 of 6787
I received my renovated CB3HD Friday afternoon. It was returned in its original packing, and the unit itself was wrapped in a fresh plastic bag. That was it -- no document establishing the date on which it was upgraded to HD (I don't even know if there is any sort of warranty on the unit) and no programming instructions whatsoever.

I don't know whether this absence of accompanying materials was an accident or intentional. What I do know is that, looking at the two line display with all of its new entries, I lack the information to properly reprogram this unit.

Did anyone receive any documentation? If not, how have you reprogrammed your unit?

I am delighted that I didn't have to toss my CB3 in order to have Dolby TrueHD, etc. and am grateful for the effort of ATI to stand by Theta's customers, but for $5,000 -- which, for me at least, meant both saving up before and scrimping for a while going forward -- I believe strongly that we deserved to receive a description of what has been changed operationally and how to reprogram the unit, especially if one has lots of HDMI components to connect.


Jonathan
post #232 of 6787
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Originally Posted by jmeyers View Post

I received my renovated CB3HD Friday afternoon. It was returned in its original packing, and the unit itself was wrapped in a fresh plastic bag. That was it -- no document establishing the date on which it was upgraded to HD (I don't even know if there is any sort of warranty on the unit) and no programming instructions whatsoever.

I don't know whether this absence of accompanying materials was an accident or intentional. What I do know is that, looking at the two line display with all of its new entries, I lack the information to properly reprogram this unit.

Did anyone receive any documentation? If not, how have you reprogrammed your unit?

I am delighted that I didn't have to toss my CB3 in order to have Dolby TrueHD, etc. and am grateful for the effort of ATI to stand by Theta's customers, but for $5,000 -- which, for me at least, meant both saving up before and scrimping for a while going forward -- I believe strongly that we deserved to receive a description of what has been changed operationally and how to reprogram the unit, especially if one has lots of HDMI components to connect.


Jonathan

Have you asked your dealer about this???
post #233 of 6787
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Originally Posted by jmeyers View Post

I received my renovated CB3HD Friday afternoon. It was returned in its original packing, and the unit itself was wrapped in a fresh plastic bag. That was it -- no document establishing the date on which it was upgraded to HD (I don't even know if there is any sort of warranty on the unit) and no programming instructions whatsoever.

I don't know whether this absence of accompanying materials was an accident or intentional. What I do know is that, looking at the two line display with all of its new entries, I lack the information to properly reprogram this unit.

Did anyone receive any documentation? If not, how have you reprogrammed your unit?

I am delighted that I didn't have to toss my CB3 in order to have Dolby TrueHD, etc. and am grateful for the effort of ATI to stand by Theta's customers, but for $5,000 -- which, for me at least, meant both saving up before and scrimping for a while going forward -- I believe strongly that we deserved to receive a description of what has been changed operationally and how to reprogram the unit, especially if one has lots of HDMI components to connect.


Jonathan

Mine came right before I left to go overseas for work so I have not had a chance to even plug it in. Mine came in a new box (because I paid for it) with the original foam inserts and new plastic bag. It also came with a new power cord but no manual. Not sure why there was a new power cord but my CB started life as a CBI and had the original chassis, which until now could still be upgraded (mine was up to CBIII), which has all been replaced now. That could be why. My CBIIIHD looks like it is all new. It even had a new serial number. Was surprised by the new serial number.

From what i've read here, setup is supposed to be pretty much the same. I certainly hope so since I'm comfortable doing it the old way.

I cannot wait to back to the US so I can set this baby up and see what it can do.
post #234 of 6787
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Originally Posted by jmeyers View Post

I received my renovated CB3HD Friday afternoon. It was returned in its original packing, and the unit itself was wrapped in a fresh plastic bag. That was it -- no document establishing the date on which it was upgraded to HD (I don't even know if there is any sort of warranty on the unit) and no programming instructions whatsoever.

I don't know whether this absence of accompanying materials was an accident or intentional. What I do know is that, looking at the two line display with all of its new entries, I lack the information to properly reprogram this unit.

Did anyone receive any documentation? If not, how have you reprogrammed your unit?

I am delighted that I didn't have to toss my CB3 in order to have Dolby TrueHD, etc. and am grateful for the effort of ATI to stand by Theta's customers, but for $5,000 -- which, for me at least, meant both saving up before and scrimping for a while going forward -- I believe strongly that we deserved to receive a description of what has been changed operationally and how to reprogram the unit, especially if one has lots of HDMI components to connect.


Jonathan

BTW, check the outside of the box for a packing slip. Mine had a packing slip that provided the date of the upgrade.
post #235 of 6787
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Originally Posted by jmeyers View Post

I received my renovated CB3HD Friday afternoon. no document establishing the date on which it was upgraded to HD (I don't even know if there is any sort of warranty on the unit) and no programming instructions whatsoever.

I don't know whether this absence of accompanying materials was an accident or intentional. What I do know is that, looking at the two line display with all of its new entries, I lack the information to properly reprogram this unit.

Did anyone receive any documentation? If not, how have you reprogrammed your unit?


Jonathan

No one has recieved any sort of new documentation, nothing at all!

If you have your original manual for the CB-III, that should be enough to get you well under way setting up a CB-IIIHD.

Your dealer should be able to get you the rest of the way there but should you not have a dealer that is responsive enough to your needs during set-up, there should be at least one or two CB-IIIHD owners willing to walk you through whatever steps your hung up on.

There is actually less to do for set-up now then there was before so unless you are totally unfamilier with the CB-III, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting up and running.

I am not making excuses for Theta as there really should have been something in the way of paper instructions already, but the few of us who already have one should be able to help since we are all such a friendly lot

PS
I did not even get a new power cord and I actually could have used it cause that Granite Audio AC power cord I bought off of Steve B, has such a big plug on it, it covers over the USB port!
Dang those nice Granite Audio AC cables

I am saving the text message that I recieved that indicates when the first CB-IIIHD was shipped, just in case they forget who I am or which unit is mine
My Serial Number remains unchanged from when it was a CB-III.
post #236 of 6787
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Originally Posted by jmeyers View Post
I received my renovated CB3HD Friday afternoon. It was returned in its original packing, and the unit itself was wrapped in a fresh plastic bag. That was it -- no document establishing the date on which it was upgraded to HD (I don't even know if there is any sort of warranty on the unit) and no programming instructions whatsoever.

I don't know whether this absence of accompanying materials was an accident or intentional. What I do know is that, looking at the two line display with all of its new entries, I lack the information to properly reprogram this unit.

Did anyone receive any documentation? If not, how have you reprogrammed your unit?

I am delighted that I didn't have to toss my CB3 in order to have Dolby TrueHD, etc. and am grateful for the effort of ATI to stand by Theta's customers, but for $5,000 -- which, for me at least, meant both saving up before and scrimping for a while going forward -- I believe strongly that we deserved to receive a description of what has been changed operationally and how to reprogram the unit, especially if one has lots of HDMI components to connect.


Jonathan
Hey mate,

Nobody received a new manual or any documentation yet. The original manual should be more than enough to get yours setup. I have never used the front panel for anything before ( I used the Crystal software) and I was able to get mine all done in hardly any time. I recommend downloading the Quick Start Guide from the Theta site (under the Downloads section): http://www.thetadigital.com/index.shtml

As for documentation of the upgrade, your dealer should provide you with an invoice/receipt. Theta keeps records of what units have been upgraded and when based on your serial number.

Good luck and as mentioned before in this thread - feel free to ask any questions here, you'll pretty much find all the info you need.

Cheers and good luck!
Ken
post #237 of 6787
Hi again all,

I am getting a really loud crack/pop in my rear left (surround left) speaker each time the CB3HD changes to a new sound mode. i.e from Matrix to Dolby Digital and back.

Is anyone else getting this?

I saw it mentioned earlier in regards to DirectTV but I am using an HTPC connected via HDMI cable.

UPDATE! - SO let me qualify "really loud" - I am listening at reference level so the click/pop seems louder than it actually is. After a quick chat with Craig, I have changed my default mode from Matrix and the pops have stopped! Thanks mate!!!!

Cheers,
Ken
post #238 of 6787
So I spoke to Craig today and he talked me through opening my case up to check on my faulty DAC. It turns out that it had come loose in the shipping of my unit. It did after all come all the way from California to Qatar!

After re-seating the DAC chips, it is working perfectly, even better than before! Both subs are working and are packing quite a punch!

So I am now reporting an issue free CB3HD upgrade! It is purring along perfectly. I am having guests over tonight for a movie night to show it off. Toy story 3 with DTS-Master 7.1 will be in full effect.

Also, since I havd the case open - I decided to take some pictures for those who may be interested. I could not get clear pics of the HDMI card as it was hidden and I didn't really feel like popping it out, sorry!

I got close ups of the new Power Supply and the processing board fo rthe HDMI inputs...

Cheers,
Ken
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post #239 of 6787
I hope they are high enough res to see properly...

Ken
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post #240 of 6787
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Originally Posted by kenlong69 View Post

So I spoke to Craig today and he talked me through opening my case up to check on my faulty DAC. It turns out that it had come loose in the shipping of my unit. It did after all come all the way from California to Qatar!




Also, since I havd the case open - I decided to take some pictures for those who may be interested.
Ken

Thanks for the great pics! Now I understand why shipping back to Theta was a last resort.
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