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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

Someone like Modwright would be my choice for a decent power supply mod, not some lower priced parts no better than what's already in the Oppo.

You make it sound like Dr. Lee is selling a powersupply build with cheap parts selling it for some insane amount. His PS sells for around $250 shipped from Korea. How can you expect him to use premium parts at this pricepoint? He could upgrade the parts and sell it for $500, but elected not to do this. I suspect because he found the difference in SQ is marginal at best so why double the price?

The only relevant question is does his PS improve SQ over the stock Oppo PS and is it worth $250. Audiocom reviewed Lee's PS and now resells it, most owners like what they hear, so one has to assume the answer to both questions is a resounding yes. End of story.
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This is one of the craziest things I have ever seen. Some guy's, who is doing home-made mods with a gruesome looking power supply, product is "trotted out ......

The industry is full of guys tinkering with stuff in their garage. That is how most companies start. How did Dr. Lee deserve the honor of being singled out as some sort of fraud?
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......an alternative to a well known high-end designer and company's product ?

The "high-end" route will set you back $3500 over a stock Oppo and the Dr. Lee route $250. Additionally, Dr. Lee's PS actually works in a 103. Feel free to buy the high end, branded product. Choice is a good thing.
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How can any high-end company compete ......

If his stuff is all junk that does not improve over the stock Oppo PS (as you previously alleged), the high end should have nothing to worry about.
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...... if such nonsense is allowed?

Good point. We should outlaw guys building electronics in a low overhead operation and selling them direct cheaply. How can the high-end brands survive if allow this grossly unfair trade practice to continue? I propose we send the marines to Korea and bring him to justice.
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No he takes their player, puts his name on it in a new case without any support from Oppo like Theta has, and adds a high dose of copy-cat mods which he sells for 5K. Rip-off. The parts in the power supply are of low quality. Someone like Modwright would be my choice for a decent power supply mod, not some lower priced parts no better than what's already in the Oppo. It is supposed to be an upgrade right? If so I'd like some upgraded parts at least with my bottle of snake juice. I do agree without any test, it's a worthless comparison. This is one of the craziest things I have ever seen. Some guy's, who is doing home-made mods with a gruesome looking power supply, product is "trotted out," with nothing but pics as an alternative to a well known high-end designer and company's product ? How can any high-end company compete if such nonsense is allowed? Why don't we start building our own cars too? I saw somewhere that it only cost about 5k to manufacture a 30k car. Dune buggies anyone?rolleyes.gif

Where do you get your info from? The National Enquirer? Show me a pic with Dr. lee logo. I do agree on Modwright though.
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Originally Posted by Talk2Me View Post

Where do you get your info from? The National Enquirer? Show me a pic with Dr. lee logo. I do agree on Modwright though.

Dr. Lee build a small batch of his own players, based on the Oppo platform and sold them in Asia for $5K a piece. Oppo could not care less, nor anyone else on the planet (except for BD). Dan builds nice stuff, but I owned a $10K Modwright preamp and it has $1000 worth of components in it tops. Not that I care, but the notion that some guy in Korea wrote the book on marking up the price of his products over the cost of components is patently absurd. If anything, Dr. Lee is nearly giving away his board.
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Because it stops sells of current products. Then you don't have any resources to develop new products. I was first told there would be new dacs a year and a half ago but did not post it. Imagine if some held off buying Xtreme dacs for that long and there still are no new dacs?

Thank you for the response, Bulldogger. I read your response 3 times and don't find it making complete sense for a small high-end company like Theta that is part of a larger collection of companies. I mean, let's be serious, no news since July 2011? How does it help to keep interest in a company or its products if only a few (such as yourself) "in the know" are aware of anything new coming in 6 months or a year? Where does that leave current owners? From what I saw many people sold their CB3 dirt cheap on Audiogon or ebay replacing it with a new Bryston, Classe, or similar high-end unit that kept up with customer wants, needs, and wishes in a timely manner.

If a company's current products are 3 years behind the competition (and I'm being generous here with some of the Casablanca's features) I think that would slow down or stop sales more than announcing that a new product (SSP) or an upgrade (new DACs, new main processing board, Dirac) is on its way. Keep in mind the Casablanca is upgrade-able so its up to the consumer what to purchase and when to purchase it. I'm more inclined to hold on to my CB3HD if I know these things I want are coming...even if it takes longer than I anticipated.

For example, if Theta announced that in about a year they would have a new "Aux Dig In" card that replaces the older (obsolete in my mind) card with a 32/384kHz and DSD USB input and network connection I think many current and prospective CB3 owners would be more inclined to say "Hey, Theta is keeping up with everyone else like Ayre, Benchmark, Mytek, ADA, etc." A company can't really, honestly claim to be "Digital Done Right" and at the "threshold of perfection" if they aren't keeping current with what the marketplace demands. Computer-based audio and music servers have been out for years and their popularity is growing every day. Check out Computer Audiophile or Audiostream if you haven't already.

At the end of the day, I guess what I'm saying is that their communication needs to improve to keep current owners aware of upgrades and updates. If there are upgrade or product delays, tell us why; tell us when to expect it. Keep us excited about being Theta owners and welcome newcomers into the fold as well.

What do others think besides me and Bulldogger?
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Instead of keeping things "top secret" and people "sworn to secrecy" wouldn't it be better to inject some interest back into Theta by releasing some information either here on their website regarding new products in pipeline? What would anyone do with this "top secret" information anyway? How about info on some new DACs or Dirac?

Because news of a sub $10k Theta prepro can suspend CBIII sales until potential buyers learn more. Many potential buyers would likely take a wait and see approach before making a decision.
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Because news of a sub $10k Theta prepro can suspend CBIII sales until potential buyers learn more. Many potential buyers would likely take a wait and see approach before making a decision.

Ahhhh!! Your common sense just doesn't make sense to some on the Internet. If ATI-Theta Digital ran their company the way some suggest it would have been run into the ground long ago!biggrin.gif And no matter how many good things Theta does its never enough for some! Oh well! That's the internet these days!cool.gif
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Thank you for the response, Bulldogger. I read your response 3 times and don't find it making complete sense for a small high-end company like Theta that is part of a larger collection of companies. I mean, let's be serious, no news since July 2011? How does it help to keep interest in a company or its products if only a few (such as yourself) "in the know" are aware of anything new coming in 6 months or a year? Where does that leave current owners? From what I saw many people sold their CB3 dirt cheap on Audiogon or ebay replacing it with a new Bryston, Classe, or similar high-end unit that kept up with customer wants, needs, and wishes in a timely manner.

If a company's current products are 3 years behind the competition (and I'm being generous here with some of the Casablanca's features) I think that would slow down or stop sales more than announcing that a new product (SSP) or an upgrade (new DACs, new main processing board, Dirac) is on its way. Keep in mind the Casablanca is upgrade-able so its up to the consumer what to purchase and when to purchase it. I'm more inclined to hold on to my CB3HD if I know these things I want are coming...even if it takes longer than I anticipated.

For example, if Theta announced that in about a year they would have a new "Aux Dig In" card that replaces the older (obsolete in my mind) card with a 32/384kHz and DSD USB input and network connection I think many current and prospective CB3 owners would be more inclined to say "Hey, Theta is keeping up with everyone else like Ayre, Benchmark, Mytek, ADA, etc." A company can't really, honestly claim to be "Digital Done Right" and at the "threshold of perfection" if they aren't keeping current with what the marketplace demands. Computer-based audio and music servers have been out for years and their popularity is growing every day. Check out Computer Audiophile or Audiostream if you haven't already.

At the end of the day, I guess what I'm saying is that their communication needs to improve to keep current owners aware of upgrades and updates. If there are upgrade or product delays, tell us why; tell us when to expect it. Keep us excited about being Theta owners and welcome newcomers into the fold as well.

What do others think besides me and Bulldogger?
Oh, I agree that Theta is not doing a great job communicating or keeping up with technology. Facebook may be the place to look for the most current information. Theta has never kept the website current. They couild do a better job marketing. The Dreadnaught III hardly gets a mention from a company with one of the best amplifier designers and whose owner is an amplifier designer. I noticed that ATI amps were well reveiwed in the few reviews that I have seen yet sales seem poor. I have seen the ATI brand being sold at very low prices on Audiogon. My impression was that If ATI spent more money on marketing that likely would not be the case. Don't beleive me, look at Bose.biggrin.gif It is not a very good product but has very good marketing.ATI seems to very good at having the opposite problem.
Edited by Bulldogger - 1/13/13 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

You make it sound like Dr. Lee is selling a powersupply build with cheap parts selling it for some insane amount. His PS sells for around $250 shipped from Korea. How can you expect him to use premium parts at this pricepoint? He could upgrade the parts and sell it for $500, but elected not to do this. I suspect because he found the difference in SQ is marginal at best so why double the price?

The only relevant question is does his PS improve SQ over the stock Oppo PS and is it worth $250. Audiocom reviewed Lee's PS and now resells it, most owners like what they hear, so one has to assume the answer to both questions is a resounding yes. End of story.
The industry is full of guys tinkering with stuff in their garage. That is how most companies start. How did Dr. Lee deserve the honor of being singled out as some sort of fraud?
The "high-end" route will set you back $3500 over a stock Oppo and the Dr. Lee route $250. Additionally, Dr. Lee's PS actually works in a 103. Feel free to buy the high end, branded product. Choice is a good thing.
If his stuff is all junk that does not improve over the stock Oppo PS (as you previously alleged), the high end should have nothing to worry about.
Good point. We should outlaw guys building electronics in a low overhead operation and selling them direct cheaply. How can the high-end brands survive if allow this grossly unfair trade practice to continue? I propose we send the marines to Korea and bring him to justice.
Guys like you seem to only care about price. Do you still own the amp that is such a great bargain but CAUGHT FIRE IN YOUR HOUSE? Is that amp legal for U.S sales? I doubt it. I have a 4 year old, care about her safety and there is no way a product that poorly designed would remain in my home. NO WAY! Now your advocating the installation of some power supply in a dvd player from some guy in Korea? Ok, fine. Not me. Make up your mind, either mods are a good investment or they are not. I"ve decided against them. You've stated that you had as well.

All are aware of mods. There are many companies with much much longer records and many many more reviews, if that is the approach one wants to take. There is a point that you may be missing. The guy with the Porche is not interested in a bolt on header for a Volkswagen no matter how many arguements you make biggrin.gif. The true question is how many Casablanca owners are interested in buying such a power supply and installing it themselvles? I SUBMIT you are out of touch if you believe there are many. This is the 20k forum not the DIY forum but some just don't seem to be able to fathom that wink.gif. It's not that there is not room for such discussion. Hey, I'm not a wealthy guy and have done DIY myself to save money. I just submit this is not the place, certainly not if you have ANY RESPECT WHATSOEVER, for those not interested in mods or DIY. Maybe, you can't fathom that some might have the disposable cash around the 20k forum, to just want to buy a complete player from an audiophile company.
Edited by Bulldogger - 1/13/13 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by Talk2Me View Post

Where do you get your info from? The National Enquirer? Show me a pic with Dr. lee logo. I do agree on Modwright though.
Dr. Lee Logo? rolleyes.gif Here it is biggrin.gif
post #4690 of 6787
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

You made your mind up a long time ago. I asked whether you planned to build the Frankenstein player but you would never admit it. Guess you didn't want to seem biased. I"d just buy an Oppo 105 instead of the home-made stuff. One owner is telling me it sounds better via HDMI than the Oppo 95. Not sure it this would hold true for the Oppo 93 to Oppo 103, just reporting an end-user's impression. He said, that the Oppo 95 sounds muffled and less dynamic via HDMI compared to the Oppo 105. That's a surprise as I do not know what differences could account for this. I would advise you to take notice of how many Theta owners would even consider a home mod with home-made parts. Seriously???tongue.gif Even I would not. I think you are wasting a lot of guys time. This is a Theta thread. Maybe start an Oppo mod thread? Just my opinion but that power supply looks ridiculous.

You know, where I come from we have names for guys like you. Some short. Some longer. Few exceeding 2 syllables.

What "Frankenstein player" are you referring to? I don't recall you asking me anything about building such player and I certainly had not made my mind up about anything until I purchased the LPSU on 23 December.
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I"d just buy an Oppo 105 instead of the home-made stuff.
Are you buying anything these days? And besides, you've said before that if one isn't going to use the analogue stage in an Oppo then the 93/103 model would be your choice.
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He said, that the Oppo 95 sounds muffled and less dynamic via HDMI compared to the Oppo 105. That's a surprise as I do not know what differences could account for this.

The main (digital/video) board of the 103/105 has undergone a number of enhancements since the 93/103. Perhaps they also did some work on the HDMI portion of it as well. Perhaps the next Theta transport will benefit from these - but they're available today.
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I would advise you
I'll pass on that
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This is a Theta thread

Well done. And the Compli Blu 3D is an Oppo 95 main board with a Theta power supply. That's why I have been interested in Steve's comparisons of the Compli Blu 3D with his favourite 2 channel audio device, the Bryston BDP-1. He ranks it very highly but not quite as good. There could be lots of reasons for the "not quite as good" part (the lack of jitter from an optical stage in the Bryston, the Bryston sound card etc). However, the reasons as to why the Compli comes much closer than the Oppo would appear to be very few: chassis and power supply (having noted that disconnecting the analogue stage of a 95 takes about 2 minutes).

Rightly or wrongly, I think chassis is largely cosmetic but I do note that one of the things the Oppo 103/105 continues to improve on previous models (as did the 93/95 from the 83) is the damping of the optical assembly.

So that leaves power supply. Do you have anything to add regarding the benefits a Theta linear power supply delivers to an Oppo 95 board operating fully in the digital domain or are you going to continue to rant on about Dr Lee with Mary Shelley references? Is it all down to lower voltage-indiced jitter?
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BTW I do recall you saying that you indicating you were heading down the "CAPS" route for your audio and I've noted some of your posts on Paul Hynes's Audiocircle and elsewhere. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss an interest in home-build for wont of not appearing hypocritical.
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger 
This is the 20k forum not the DIY forum but some just don't seem to be able to fathom that . It's not that there is not room for such discussion. Hey, I'm not a wealthy guy and have done DIY myself to save money. I just submit this is not the place, certainly not if you have ANY RESPECT WHATSOEVER, for those not interested in mods or DIY. Maybe, you can't fathom that some might have the disposable cash around the 20k forum, to just want to buy a complete player from an audiophile company.

You completely and utterly miss the point. Perhaps unsurprisingly.

As for Modwright, I found it interesting that he couldn't get the voltages of the 103 right - perhaps it was simply a typo on Audiocircle. Also, he doesn't seem to offer a 240V mod so that's no good to anyone in Europe. I think you will find that this is because Audiocom have a lock on selling approved mods for Oppo in Europe. And guess who sells them power supplies? But now I am committing the same faults as you and talking about Oppo mods and not Theta's Oppo mod.

One thing Modwright did say with respect to a LPSU driving the Oppo board (a la Theta) is interesting "it will lower jitter levels by improving power to the driver and focus/servo circuits". So less optical-indiced jitter?

Of course, if the output path is HDMI then there's the challenges of clock recovery which are inherently greater for HDMI than S/PDIF (whose jitter issue was conquered, after some battling, some time ago) which may mean any gains in the player are lost in transport to the CB III (if you have one). This is my other topic of interest: just how well does Theta think they've cracked the HDMI jitter issue and have they run jitter tests from the same input device via coaxial S/PDIF and HDMI and compared (and made available) the results?
Edited by stevekale - 1/13/13 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

from some guy in Korea? Ok, fine. Not me.

this sounds rather racist. Should I retaliate with a suspicion of things "Made in USA"?
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This is the 20k forum not the DIY forum but some just don't seem to be able to fathom that

Best not talk about the new Theta processor or the Compli Blu 3D
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Maybe, you can't fathom that some might have the disposable cash around the 20k forum, to just want to buy a complete player from an audiophile company.

I do fathom. And I have the disposable cash but let's not get into locker room style comparisons.

You seem to fail to understand that Theta's Compli is just another Oppo mod. What's wrong with Theta proponents discussing the nature of this mod, the benefits it brings and whether it delivers competitive value for money? It is this that you completely and utterly fail to see and instead choose to debase the conversation with defamatory remarks about one other individual offering products for people wanting to mod their own Oppos.
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

this sounds rather racist. Should I retaliate with a suspicion of things "Made in USA"?
Best not talk about the new Theta processor or the Compli Blu 3D
I do fathom. And I have the disposable cash but let's not get into locker room style comparisons.

You seem to fail to understand that Theta's Compli is just another Oppo mod. What's wrong with Theta proponents discussing the nature of this mod, the benefits it brings and whether it delivers competitive value for money? It is this that you completely and utterly fail to see and instead choose to debase the conversation with defamatory remarks about one other individual offering products for people wanting to mod their own Oppos.
No the Theta is not just another Oppo mod. You want to reduce it to that level to justify your rantings. There is a distinction between a player based upon another and a modified player. The Compli is not just an Oppo with a linear power supply. The transport has been lowered,etc.

Well I am very fond of Made in America but support all countries except one. Hint, Americans are all different races! I just don't like stuff made in China because they make value brands and are not currently doing anything high-end. Quick name a Chinese high-end brand?? The Chinese have sent poisoned dog food, poisoned baby formula and toxic toys into this country. As far as being racist, that could be some guy any country, fill in the blank. The point is importing a power supply with no track record from another country when you could get it done locally and at a higher level. I have no racial intent at all especially considering I am African-American wink.gif .

There is such a thing as understanding your audience. There are diifferent areas on this forum for DIY for exactly that reason. Part of the problem is that the internet is "blind" and you don't always know your audience. Maybe you don't have as much disposable income as you think in comparison to some here who have outright laughed at my suggestions such as the Oppo mod via private telephone conversations wink.gif? Maybe your frugal? Whatever the case, it is not that the discussion is not appropriate. This thread is for Theta owners actually interested in this product is not the place for Oppo mods.

It may come as surprise but many are not at all interested in DIY stuff. The fundamental problem that I have with some is that they are so narrow minded that they don't seem to fathom that others may have a different view. It's not that you and edorr don't have get to have your say. You damn well have. You just keep reposting the same things over and over.
Edited by Bulldogger - 1/13/13 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

No the Theta is not just another Oppo mod. .......The Compli is not just an Oppo with a linear power supply. The transport has been lowered,etc.

For the old Compli the transport was lowered, not the current version. Feel free to fill in the "etc".

I'm asking questions about the Theta product. Only you are turning this into an Oppo mod tirade.
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I have no racial intent at all especially considering I am African-American wink.gif

I don't care what you are. Your posts clearly indicate a dislike or distrust of things made in Korea.
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Maybe you don't have as much disposable income as you think in comparison to some here who have outright laughed at my suggestions such as the Oppo mod via private telephone conversations wink.gif? Maybe your [sic] frugal?

Oh there you go, my .... is bigger than yours speak. How much disposable income you or anyone else has versus what I have has nothing to do with the conversation (except your distraction). Personally, I wouldn't say my setup is frugal but that's not at all the point. Again, you miss the point. I could buy the Compli anytime I wanted. I'm interested in more information on how it performs and why. Steve has been very kind to run some comparisons and post his thoughts. On the other hand, you keep panting out the same old rants.
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This thread is for Theta owners actually interested in this product is not the place for Oppo mods.

Yep and my questions have been in relation to Theta's Oppo mod ... oops, I mean Compli. I don't care how you call it. If you want to not call it an Oppo mod then don't but the heart of the Compli is made by Oppo.
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You just keep reposting the same things over and over.

I could have written this about you, despite the fact that your statement isn't true in relation to me.

Just for the sake of easing Dogger's palpitations I have removed the "FYI" part of my post that sparked his tirade. My questions regarding and interest in Theta's new Compli still stand.
Edited by stevekale - 1/13/13 at 8:52am
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I'm waiting for this case http://www.streacom.com/products/fc10-fanless-chassis/ http://www.quietpc.com/st-fc10 Then I will determine which motherboard to use. I plan to use an Ivy Bridge processor. I will wait to see what Quiet PC says before building. Although the case is supposed to offer support for up to 95 watt CPU, I'll wait to see what actual users report. My impression is that much of this is experimentation and "new ground," for many server builders.

Multi-channel SACD iso seem to present some problems for Jriver. I can not play them without constant buffering stoppages. The only way I can play them is if I first extract MC from the iso file. My discussion on the Jriver thread leads me to conclude that it's a CPU issue as others with faster computers than mine have no problems playing MC SACD without buffering issues and without having to extract from the iso files. Now,I'm waiting to determine the most powerful CPU that I can buy now, that will work without fans.

Consider this http://www.quietpc.com/sys-fc8-h61 but I would go for an upgrade on the processor and memory.

BTW how's your garage project coming along or is this no longer a focus for you? Oh, sorry, now we're moving way off-topic but this was a post of yours in this thread in October.

(FWIW I much prefer the FC5 EVO WS case and the "no moving parts mantra" together with the i3 3220T processor. Chris recently posted a similar build on the Computeraudiophile site. I don't like his choice of motherboard.)
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BTW how's your garage project coming along or is this no longer a focus for you?
Computer Audiophile actually did what I wanted with the lastest build. They used the same company's case but a smaller one. It's perfect. Powerful enough to run Dirac Live and SACD iso files. Saves me the trouble. Adding video into the server is complicated because the high-end video cards are noisy by my standards. http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/497-computer-audiophile-pocket-server-c-p-s-v3-zuma/ I never wanted to do this. What I wanted did not exist. If you read the article, it was a pain in the ass to do. I am glad I never had to deal with thermal paste. There is no way I would ever build a server to save a few hundred dollars. They list the parts, maybe you can DIY?
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

For the old Compli the transport was lowered, not the current version. Feel free to fill in the "etc".

I'm asking questions about the Theta product. Only you are turning this into an Oppo mod tirade.


I don't care what you are. Your posts clearly indicate a dislike or distrust of things made in Korea.
Oh there you go, my .... is bigger than yours speak. How much disposable income you or anyone else has versus what I have has nothing to do with the conversation (except your distraction). Personally, I wouldn't say my setup is frugal but that's not at all the point. Again, you miss the point. I could buy the Compli anytime I wanted. I'm interested in more information on how it performs and why. Steve has been very kind to run some comparisons and post his thoughts. On the other hand, you keep panting out the same old rants.
Yep and my questions have been in relation to Theta's Oppo mod ... oops, I mean Compli. I don't care how you call it. If you want to not call it an Oppo mod then don't but the heart of the Compli is made by Oppo.
I could have written this about you, despite the fact that your statement isn't true in relation to me.

Just for the sake of easing Dogger's palpitations I have removed the "FYI" part of my post that sparked his tirade. My questions regarding and interest in Theta's new Compli still stand.
You keep trying to inject race into this discussion. That's funny coming from a Brit. Let's cut to the chase. If you are taking your Oppo apart and doing a DIY mod vs buying a player that is designed beyond what you can do at home, you are trying to save money for whatever reason. Isn't that your entire premise? That you can save money by importing a cheap ass power supply from some other country, taking the thing apart, and installing it yourself? Naw, no thanks. I'd just send it to local mod company. I'm just not that damn frugal. Look if you are going to force me to spoon feed you here: http://www.thetadigital.com/compli_blu_3D_info.shtml The aspects of the Compli Blu 3D are there.
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Yes, that's what I was referring to in the post above. He used the same case as I am. I was surprised when I clicked onto the site the other week to see his build be very much like what I was building. However, he used a much larger motherboard than I'd like (I prefer mini-ITX) and one that doesn't permit an on-board flash memory card to hold the OS. I think he's over-egged it with an i7 processor (although nothing wrong with that). I prefer the i3 processor with its lower THD. I also don't like his power supply setup and will most likely be using one from Dr Lee a guy in Asia. I also prefer the idea of constraining the OS so that it behaves just like a piece of audio equipment rather than a computer. I'm in the process of getting that done now. More "Bryston BDP-1 like". And, yes, I still want a Bryston BDP-2 just for laughs.


You see...there's nothing like a little bit of garage audio. When you're done you can also buy the Bryston with some loose change and do a comparison with something from an audiophile company.....
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That's funny coming from a Brit.

I'm not a Brit and as for injecting race into the conversation, where on earth do you get that from? I'm not the one poking holes at a guy just because he is from Korea. I even went so far as to clarify for you that I don't care what race you are. Which part of this do you not understand?
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Let's cut to the chase. If you are taking your Oppo apart and doing a DIY mod vs buying a player that is designed beyond what you can do at home, you are trying to save money for whatever reason. Isn't that your entire premise? That you can save money by importing a cheap ass power supply from some other country, taking the thing apart, and installing it yourself?

Nope. I did it because I was interested in seeing the results. A hobby interest. Hell, $280 is less than a dinner for two in London. Again, and hopefully this time it will register, this isn't just about money. Were it not an interest, the cost of my time would dictate simply purchasing a known brand (Theta or otherwise). Because it is an interest I like to allocate some of my limited free time and, yes, when things are dissected it is interesting to explore relative value-added. In so doing it is interesting to evaluate whether the known brand is indeed delivering value.
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Look if you are going to force me to spoon feed you here: http://www.thetadigital.com/compli_blu_3D_info.shtml The aspects of the Compli Blu 3D are there.

Have you read it? I bet you a fiver (dollars, pounds or euros, your choice) that page has numerous errors and is incomplete. It is a copy paste from the old Compli Blu page (including photos) with just one bullet added. References to analogue power supply don't make sense. I'm sure it will be updated when the team get back from CES.
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Careful guys.. you're going to get this thread shut down. Keep it civil.
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It's not that you and edorr don't have get to have your say. You damn well have. You just keep reposting the same things over and over.

I have completely stayed out of the debare between you and SteveKale about the merits of going the DIY route versus buying a Compli 3D. I have not horse in that race because I am using a modded Oppo with a vanity93 digital out board, and don't need an HDMI transport. I just weighted in a few times in response to your recurring rants about Dr. Lee's board being a "rip off", his alleged "IP theft", and your completely unfounded assertion the board is a piece of junk.
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Maybe you don't have as much disposable income as you think in comparison to some here who have outright laughed at my suggestions such as the Oppo mod via private telephone conversations wink.gif? Maybe your frugal?

When is the last time you actually bought a new piece of equipment, and not some fully depreciated bargain basement Theta piece? Have you ordered a Compi 3D yet?
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This thread is for Theta owners actually interested in this product is not the place for Oppo mods.

I agree with you here. If you want this to go away, just let it go - you called Oppo about Dr. Lee's player, researched the internet about what parts he is using, and seem to have developed a complete obession with the guy.
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I'm not a Brit
Nope. I did it because I was interested in seeing the results. A hobby interest. Hell, $280 is less than a dinner for two in London. Again, and hopefully this time it will register, this isn't about money.
I bet you a fiver (dollars, pounds or euros, your choice) that page has numerous errors and is incomplete. I'm sure it will be updated when the team get back from CES.
Don't care. It is about money. You are not wagering that the Frankenstein player is better than the Compli 3D now are you? Your only premise is that it is cheaper. I did a lot of that stuff when I was younger. All sorts of stuff. I'd fly into a city just to audition the gear, try to get laid at a local club and call the entire thing a vacation. Many of the Theta owners I speak with are older than I at 47. Many, certainly myself, have seen their incomes increase significantly as we have aged.

DIY comes with a lot of hassles. Unless I am forced to as with the server, I don't want to do it . Theta has very good tech support and now very good repair service. I didn't mention it but I had a problem with my Gen VIII upgrade. It is an older unit. The parts that broke were not even related to the Theta upgrade but John fixed it quickly and completely. I'm older now. I don't have time and am much busier.
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I have completely stayed out of the debare between you and SteveKale about the merits of going the DIY route versus buying a Compli 3D. I have not horse in that race because I am using a modded Oppo with a vanity93 digital out board, and don't need an HDMI transport. I just weighted in a few times in response to your recurring rants about Dr. Lee's board being a "rip off", his alleged "IP theft", and your completely unfounded assertion the board is a piece of junk.
When is the last time you actually bought a new piece of equipment, and not some fully depreciated bargain basement Theta piece? Have you ordered a Compi 3D yet?
I agree with you here. If you want this to go away, just let it go - you called Oppo about Dr. Lee's player, researched the internet about what parts he is using, and seem to have developed a complete obession with the guy.
Like hell you have stayed out of this. Just weight in at times? Are you fracking kidding? Stop quoting me and ignore my post. I've tried to ignore you but you just continue. There seems to be an obsession here, you with me.

How's your fire insurance?
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Stop quoting me and ignore my post. I've tried to ignore you but you just continue.

I have responded to your "ripp off" and "IP theft" comments, that is all.
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There seems to be an obsession here, you with me.

Don't flatter yourself. You're not that interesting.
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How's your fire insurance?

How is your health insurance?
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I have responded to your "ripp off" and "IP theft" comments, that is all.
Don't flatter yourself. You're not that interesting.
How is your health insurance?
Look DO NOT RESPOND TO ME AT ALL. IGNORE MY POST. GREAT YOU SHOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE NOT EVER COMMENTING ON ANOTHER OF MY POST. DO WE HAVE A DEAL? NOT JUST QUOTING, COMMENTING AS WELL? JUST COMPLETELY IGNORE ME. My health insurance, 2 Million dollars annual for each family member. And your fire insurance?
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When is the last time you actually bought a new piece of equipment, not some fully depreciated bargain basement Theta piece?

What's wrong with that? What's a bargain basement piece?
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What's wrong with that? What's a bargain basement piece?

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I have done it myself many times. I just find it ironic that BD keeps pointing at others as being too "cheap" to spend the money on a Compi BD, and go the do it yourself route instead, when he has not bought a piece of new Theta gear in recent memory himself.
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Look DO NOT RESPOND TO ME AT ALL. IGNORE MY POST. GREAT YOU SHOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE NOT EVER COMMENTING ON ANOTHER OF MY POST. DO WE HAVE A DEAL? NOT JUST QUOTING, COMMENTING AS WELL? JUST COMPLETELY IGNORE ME. My health insurance, 2 Million dollars annual for each family member. And your fire insurance?

Sorry, if someone refers to a piece of electronics I own ($250 shipped from Korea), as a piece of junk, a rip off and build by a guy stealing IP, I feel compelled to respond. If that someone happens to be BD, so be it.
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knock it off please
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What's wrong with that? What's a bargain basement piece?
Oh I love a bargain and am proud of the deals I have made. I'm just not so narrow minded to try to force others to do as I do wink.gif . I have done a lot of DIY but respect that others may not want to do this. Hell, I don't want to do it anymore. If I were a "dune buggy" builder, I wouldn't dare go on say a Jeep forum and tell everyone to stop buying "trail rated' Jeeps. Some people do just that. The used Gen VIII that I had upgrade to series 3 is the absolute best preamp and dac that I have ever owned. I am pleased beyond measure smile.gif . Yeah, It's made in America too. I LOVE THAT. smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif I mean I just love that! Love the U.S too and would not live in any other country not because I have not traveled but because I have . wink.gif

You're in the south? You should hear my Gen VIII series 3. It is fantastic! Great preamp section as well. I think I may add a tube tuner to check out some internet radio with that great preamp section of the Gen 8.
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