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Originally Posted by LJG View Post

I probably put them up pre-maturely. I ard? a lot more to figure out. I have discovered that when I installed the new digital output card in the CB3HD all sources 44.1, 48, etc. are sample rate converted to 96, and output 96 out of the digital outputs. I do not consider this a benefit, especially since sample rate conversion occurs 1 or 2 times down stream before conversion to 96. The new PR3 with Dirac will still be 96K digital out only in the first release.

I am therefore setting up multiple configurations to determine the best sonics.

These include removal of digital output card and running analog out of the CB3HD into Analog input of Trinnov.

Removing the CB3HD completely from the chain and running Oppe 103 with Vanity 103 lite digital into Trinnov. All of my sources will continue to be switched by my Radiance XE and multiple HDMI siwtches into the two HDMI inputs of the Oppo.

So I may either sell all my Dacs, None of my Dacs, Or my entire CB3HD.

I take it that the new PR3 card will have no influence on the HDMI sample rate licensing restrictions when using the digital out card?

Thanks for taking on the comparisons! I am very interested in your results, although you will have to repeat the tests when you get the PR3 card of course. smile.gif

Sean
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of course, Morris Kessler owns ATI and Theta Digital (B&K, too)!
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Exactly.

Normally one has the very best components, of a hybrid stereo/multi-channel system, at the stereo part of the system.
E.G., in my system:

STEREO:

Amplifiers: Pair Theta Digital Citadel 1.5 monoblocks
Speakers: Aerial Acoustics Model 9s
Subwoofers: None
DAC: Theta Digital Generation VIII Series 3
Music Source: Custom Media Server w SOTM USB out, into Berkley Alpha USB converter, out digital AES/EBU into
Theta Casablanca III HD



MULTI-CHANNEL (IN ADDITION TO STEREO, for front center, surround left and right):


Amplifiers: Theta Enterprise monoblocks
Speakers: Aerial Acoustics Model 9s, with CC5 center
Subwoofers: 3 Aerial Acoustics Model SW-12
DAC: Extreme DACs, Theta Digital Casablanca III HD SSP
Music Source: Custom Made Media Server with Sapphire card HDMI out, into Theta Casablanca III HD SSP


Multi-channel music over HDMI sounds great in my system. However, plain stereo, with no subs, as my system is currently setup, sounds the best. Even the bass with plain stereo, with no subs, using the Gen VIII Series 3 DAC sounds the best.

CONCLUSION: You need the Gen VIII Series 3 DAC!@@biggrin.gif

Finally found the post to which I've been referring. Hey, honestly, I'm not here to belittle anyone, that's why I asked what's everyone's level of expertise before I went off on a tangent. Obviously that didn't turn out well. Sorry to anyone who felt belittled or berated in any way. Anyone that spent the time, trouble, and money to build a dedicated room for listening and watching deserves to have the best sound all the time.

So the eyebrow raising for me comes in at the end " Even the bass with plain stereo, with no subs, using the Gen VIII Series 3 DAC sounds the best." If I'm reading correctly above, it looks like for stereo (even for hi-rez) that you are going into the Casablanca first, correct? The main difference is that for multi-channel music you use HDMI, but AES/EBU for stereo.

So I'm presuming you use the digital output card out from the CB3HD (L/R) to the Gen VIII DAC. Have you ever tried going directly out from the Alpha converter directly into the Gen VIII. What the advantage of going through the CB3HD first for stereo listening?

Couple things that stand out to me:

1. Taking out 3 Aerial subs and the bass is... better? Idea: Could be a placement issue with the subs and/or a crossover setting/gain/phase miscalculated. Another idea: using an odd number of subs is generally not a good idea because of the way low frequencies act in a room. I don't know if your room is perfectly rectangular and/or if all the area are identically transmissive or absorptive. Just trying to determine why decreasing piston area (removing 3 subs) would provide the best bass sound. Seems very odd to me based on my experience. Has your dealer helped you in this regard or have any ideas about this?

2. The fact that you're using USB out to the (absolutely amazing) Berkeley Alpha USB converter also has a huge impact on the sound. That's an incredible product right up there with the Empirical Audio OffRamp. Would be great if someone made a multi-channel USB converter that had HDMI bitstsream out so that one could use, say, JRiver to playback a Bluray and directly compare stereo hi-rez and multi-channel hi-rez.

There's more, but that'll do for now. Hope that helps in clearing up what I've been thinking about.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I think my above post may have been lost in the shuffle, but does anyone know what the base functionality of the Casablanca IV will have, as well as when it will be available? I'm considering going in the direction of the Theta Casablanca due its apparent longevity.

There's a press release on Theta's facebook page that gives copious details:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Theta-Digital-Corp/167169956627291

A Theta Casablanca is an astounding processor. Have you heard one in action?

It should be available Q1 2014, probably January. Sooner if you're lucky!
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hi all! I have been on the search for a pre/pro for a theater I will be building soon. My search has led me to (and past) Anthem, Krell, and Datasat...and then I stumbled onto Theta Digital. The modular nature of the Theta Casablanca make it different from other pre/pros that reach obselesence winth each new trade show. I'm coming from a theater powered by a series of Integra (80.2 & 80.3) and Marantz (8801) processors, all of which have been sold. I'm currently ready to dive into true high end, but the Theta pricing structure is a bit confusing. Does anyone know what (functionally) I get with the base Casablanca IV model? I want to hold off on the HDMI card as I'm sure a HDMI 2.0 card will be released shortly. Also, does anyone know when the IV will be available?

Hi, first, nice theater you have there. You've stumbled onto the right place; 20 plus years of being an over-the'edge :-) audiophile here and one of my biggest regrets is I didn't join the Theta Casablanca club earlier. In short it is a stunning piece with stunning, state of the art sound quality.

Owning the Casablanca is like owning a Porsche; you don't worry about what other people are doing because you already have the very best. I am (half) kidding but it is, IMHO.

1. Pricing: check the thread in my signature you could see my dealer listed. I can't post pricing here but you could email/PM him or me for pricing. He's a trustworthy dealer and has been in business many years.

2. Functions: I am not clear what you mean, but basically CB IV HD acts as a 2 channel stereo pre-amp, and a surround sound processor. It takes HDMI from your transport and outputs to your amps, 7.1 channels.

3. Room correction and equalizer, new "brain" with higher audio resolution: the most important upgrade of CB IV. Your timing is perfect as you are now joining Theta CB at its pinnacle: best ever.

4. I am not clear when this would come, but I would not wait for HDMI 2 card. There will always be changes and you don't want to wait forever. The HDMI upgrade if history is an indication will be reasonably priced.

5. How soon? Get in touch with above dealer now and get on waiting list. I think it will be a couple months at least.
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Originally Posted by sierraalphahotel View Post

I take it that the new PR3 card will have no influence on the HDMI sample rate licensing restrictions when using the digital out card?

Thanks for taking on the comparisons! I am very interested in your results, although you will have to repeat the tests when you get the PR3 card of course. smile.gif

Sean
For non restricted stuff like HD Tracks, we may be able to get high-rez digital out of the Digi-out card. I would like to at least use the CB IV for processing material that is not HDCP protected out to the Gen VIII. For Blu-ray, with protected content and video, it's not likely we will see that output without following HDCP restrictions. No one seems to care whether we get high-rez audio out for the old stuff that's on HD track. Blu-ray and current movies are where the concern is. Theta is not the only company taking the position that you can output non-protected material.

The PR3 card is going to be the biggest advance for sound quality since the introduction of the processor. Still, there is a limit to patience. Personally, I would wait the two months before making a decision.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I think my above post may have been lost in the shuffle, but does anyone know what the base functionality of the Casablanca IV will have, as well as when it will be available? I'm considering going in the direction of the Theta Casablanca due its apparent longevity.
I agree, nice theater. Most of the functions should be the same as any prepro. Cannga did a fine job of explaining the new features of which the most important is Dirac Live. You may want to google for some reviews of the software. The Ultra High End one is very good. I use Tyree99. He's a dealer that is a true audiophile and can discuss any aspects of the processor. Unfortunately, there are less and less of these types of extremely knowledgeable dealers around these days. Contact him and I am sure, he will be able to answer any questions you have.
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

There's a press release on Theta's facebook page that gives copious details:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Theta-Digital-Corp/167169956627291

A Theta Casablanca is an astounding processor. Have you heard one in action?

It should be available Q1 2014, probably January. Sooner if you're lucky!

Many thanks BigAnt! Checked the FB release--the details are refreshingly copious indeed. I hope to be one of the lucky ones to snag it sooner smile.gif
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Originally Posted by cannga View Post

Hi, first, nice theater you have there. You've stumbled onto the right place; 20 plus years of being an over-the'edge :-) audiophile here and one of my biggest regrets is I didn't join the Theta Casablanca club earlier. In short it is a stunning piece with stunning, state of the art sound quality.

Owning the Casablanca is like owning a Porsche; you don't worry about what other people are doing because you already have the very best. I am (half) kidding but it is, IMHO.

1. Pricing: check the thread in my signature you could see my dealer listed. I can't post pricing here but you could email/PM him or me for pricing. He's a trustworthy dealer and has been in business many years.

2. Functions: I am not clear what you mean, but basically CB IV HD acts as a 2 channel stereo pre-amp, and a surround sound processor. It takes HDMI from your transport and outputs to your amps, 7.1 channels.

3. Room correction and equalizer, new "brain" with higher audio resolution: the most important upgrade of CB IV. Your timing is perfect as you are now joining Theta CB at its pinnacle: best ever.

4. I am not clear when this would come, but I would not wait for HDMI 2 card. There will always be changes and you don't want to wait forever. The HDMI upgrade if history is an indication will be reasonably priced.

5. How soon? Get in touch with above dealer now and get on waiting list. I think it will be a couple months at least.

Thanks Cannga, I appreciate the information you've provided above. I don't own a porsche but I do enjoy a nice vehicle so I can identify with your analogy! I clicked on the link in your sig, but couldn't find any references to your dealer. I'm going to shoot you a PM to discuss further. I did love reading your review--it described everything I hope to experience with the Theta CB IV. For #2 above, I probably should have been more clear. I was inquiring about what functionality normally expected from a pre\pro is omitted in the base IV before adding the upgrade cards. For instance, will it come as an empty shell with no inputs before I start purchasing HDMI cards, XLR cards, etc.?

Thanks again for the information--this post and your review were quite helpful!
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

I agree, nice theater. Most of the functions should be the same as any prepro. Cannga did a fine job of explaining the new features of which the most important is Dirac Live. You may want to google for some reviews of the software. The Ultra High End one is very good. I use Tyree99. He's a dealer that is a true audiophile and can discuss any aspects of the processor. Unfortunately, there are less and less of these types of extremely knowledgeable dealers around these days. Contact him and I am sure, he will be able to answer any questions you have.

Thanks Bulldogger--I have a vague familiarity with Dirac, as I was very strongly considering the use of (and thus, very intensely researching) the software version to EQ at my source (HTPC powered by JRiver Media Center) but I never got around to the testing the program out. From what I read, it's pretty powerful, to say the least. Such power in a pre\pro must be mind-boggling..and I want to experience it! Thanks a lot for the dealer info--I'll be sure to touch base with him.

-Matt
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Finally found the post to which I've been referring. Hey, honestly, I'm not here to belittle anyone, that's why I asked what's everyone's level of expertise before I went off on a tangent. Obviously that didn't turn out well. Sorry to anyone who felt belittled or berated in any way. Anyone that spent the time, trouble, and money to build a dedicated room for listening and watching deserves to have the best sound all the time.

So the eyebrow raising for me comes in at the end " Even the bass with plain stereo, with no subs, using the Gen VIII Series 3 DAC sounds the best." If I'm reading correctly above, it looks like for stereo (even for hi-rez) that you are going into the Casablanca first, correct? The main difference is that for multi-channel music you use HDMI, but AES/EBU for stereo.

So I'm presuming you use the digital output card out from the CB3HD (L/R) to the Gen VIII DAC. Have you ever tried going directly out from the Alpha converter directly into the Gen VIII. What the advantage of going through the CB3HD first for stereo listening?

Couple things that stand out to me:

1. Taking out 3 Aerial subs and the bass is... better? Idea: Could be a placement issue with the subs and/or a crossover setting/gain/phase miscalculated. Another idea: using an odd number of subs is generally not a good idea because of the way low frequencies act in a room. I don't know if your room is perfectly rectangular and/or if all the area are identically transmissive or absorptive. Just trying to determine why decreasing piston area (removing 3 subs) would provide the best bass sound. Seems very odd to me based on my experience. Has your dealer helped you in this regard or have any ideas about this?

2. The fact that you're using USB out to the (absolutely amazing) Berkeley Alpha USB converter also has a huge impact on the sound. That's an incredible product right up there with the Empirical Audio OffRamp. Would be great if someone made a multi-channel USB converter that had HDMI bitstsream out so that one could use, say, JRiver to playback a Bluray and directly compare stereo hi-rez and multi-channel hi-rez.

There's more, but that'll do for now. Hope that helps in clearing up what I've been thinking about.


Careful with your eyebrows and assumptions.

In my earlier posting regarding subwoofer and bass to which you refer, I clearly state that for stereo, I am listening to my custom media player USB into Berkeley Audio USB Converter, then AES.EBU digital direct into Gen VIII Series 3 DAC. I am not routing it through the CB3 HD SSP for stereo. But for multichannel, I use custom media player HDMI into CB3 HD (which is then out the digital out card into Gen VIII for front left and right,

Back several months, when I had the Bryston BDP-1 (my custom media server then on order and arrived a few months ago), I had the Bryston connected by digital bnc cable into the CB3 HD; with CB3 HD with digital AES/EBU out to Gen VIII for front left and right channels. I set up several source inputs for the CB3 HD as follows:


Input #1: Stereo, front left and right full range, no crossover, no subwoofer , in "matrix" mode, with all other speaker channels turned to off;

Input #2: Stereo, front left and right crossover Butterworth both hi and low pass crossovers 40 Hz 6 dB (which I find to sound better including more musical bass than higher and/or steeper crossovers and slopes), using all 3 of my subwoofers (I have found that using the two in front, and the one on the right side middle, using Velodyne SMS-1s to EQ bass below 80Hz, sounds as good as or better than just using the two front subs for music). In "matrix" mode with other speakers/channels turned to off.

Input #3: Using my entire 5.3 (3 subs) system. All five main channels set to crossover Butterworth both hi and low pass crossovers 40 Hz 6 dB, using all 3 subwoofers, set to either DPL2 or DTS Neo6 mode.

On redbook music with appreciable bass, I found that #1 above sounded best. Even though #2 sounded great. #1 is essentially
using only the Gen VIII Series 3 DAC.

Yea, I would have thought that the subs, which are properly placed, EQed with the Velodyne SMS-1, etc would sound best even for music. But as I initially stated, my very best sounding components are at the front left and right. Those Theta Citadel 1.5 monoblocks put out some really nice bass and apparently, at least for music, having a Gen VIII Series 3 DAC, to Theta Citadel 1.5 monoblocks
(vs CB3 HD Extreme DACs to Theta Enterprise monoblocks for front center, and surround left and right) makes a difference.
Of course its possible there are other variables. If you want to take a month and read over all my post these past years, you will see all the work I do to tweak and perfect my system - I don't have the time or patience to go over every thing I have done. This is supposed to be a hobby, with a bit of time posting, but most time listening, relaxing, and still too much time perfecting the sonics!

After getting my custom media server, music including bass sounded at least on the level of the Bryston BDP-1, and this was using custom media server HDMI out into the CB3 HD SSP, not going direct to the Gen VIII. The Berkely was on order for awhile, and once I got it, WOW! - music including bass, midrange, highers just leaped up another few steps of the ladder of musical reality!

When I get the CB4 upgrade with the new DSP, I will of course experiment, and who knows what I'll end up changing re crossovers, subs, etc for music???
Edited by Steve Bruzonsky - 10/10/13 at 8:07pm
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Here's your initial post which appeared to me as belitting me and my intelligence. Note how you compliment Bulldogger and Edorr and rip me, then stating "there appears to be a huge disparity of experience to knowledge"
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Thanks to you and edorr for the reply to my question. Wasn't meant as an insult to anyone in any way, but I read a lot of head scratching comments here that could be answered easily with more experience and, possibly, a few classes in electronics and acoustics thrown in for good measure.

One example that leaps to mind is Steve B's experience with subs in his dedicated listening/theater room. I believe he said that the bass is far superior in two channel mode and he gives the credit to the GenVIII doing the processing/volume control and not the CB3. That may be part of it, but I doubt it's the whole story.

I know many here are die-hard Theta fans (such as myself), but also there appears to be a huge disparity of experience to knowledge.

A great blog to read is "Paul's Posts" over at PStracks. The discussion there is particularly mesmerizing at times. For example, read the following thread and see if it doesn't inspire you to want to learn more about this fascinating field: http://www.pstracks.com/pauls-posts/listening-ears-shut/11874/

_______________________________________________________

After you and I exchanged some nonsubstantive barbs, you posted very intelligently, and posed some questions showing that you do indeed have some knowledge of working with the CB3 HD SSP, and of the Gen VIII DAC although you may not have one. I don't sense any belitting with your intelligent post below which asks some legitimate questions:

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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Finally found the post to which I've been referring. Hey, honestly, I'm not here to belittle anyone, that's why I asked what's everyone's level of expertise before I went off on a tangent. Obviously that didn't turn out well. Sorry to anyone who felt belittled or berated in any way. Anyone that spent the time, trouble, and money to build a dedicated room for listening and watching deserves to have the best sound all the time.

So the eyebrow raising for me comes in at the end " Even the bass with plain stereo, with no subs, using the Gen VIII Series 3 DAC sounds the best." If I'm reading correctly above, it looks like for stereo (even for hi-rez) that you are going into the Casablanca first, correct? The main difference is that for multi-channel music you use HDMI, but AES/EBU for stereo.

So I'm presuming you use the digital output card out from the CB3HD (L/R) to the Gen VIII DAC. Have you ever tried going directly out from the Alpha converter directly into the Gen VIII. What the advantage of going through the CB3HD first for stereo listening?

Couple things that stand out to me:

1. Taking out 3 Aerial subs and the bass is... better? Idea: Could be a placement issue with the subs and/or a crossover setting/gain/phase miscalculated. Another idea: using an odd number of subs is generally not a good idea because of the way low frequencies act in a room. I don't know if your room is perfectly rectangular and/or if all the area are identically transmissive or absorptive. Just trying to determine why decreasing piston area (removing 3 subs) would provide the best bass sound. Seems very odd to me based on my experience. Has your dealer helped you in this regard or have any ideas about this?

2. The fact that you're using USB out to the (absolutely amazing) Berkeley Alpha USB converter also has a huge impact on the sound. That's an incredible product right up there with the Empirical Audio OffRamp. Would be great if someone made a multi-channel USB converter that had HDMI bitstsream out so that one could use, say, JRiver to playback a Bluray and directly compare stereo hi-rez and multi-channel hi-rez.

There's more, but that'll do for now. Hope that helps in clearing up what I've been thinking about.


__________________________________


I endeavor to answer your questions in the post preceding this one.
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

1. Taking out 3 Aerial subs and the bass is... better? Idea: Could be a placement issue with the subs and/or a crossover setting/gain/phase miscalculated. Another idea: using an odd number of subs is generally not a good idea because of the way low frequencies act in a room. I don't know if your room is perfectly rectangular and/or if all the area are identically transmissive or absorptive. Just trying to determine why decreasing piston area (removing 3 subs) would provide the best bass sound. Seems very odd to me based on my experience. Has your dealer helped you in this regard or have any ideas about this?

You are missing one hugely important factor, which is usually ignored in theoretical discussions about bass response and the role of subs. In my experience, it is indeed mandatory to use an (array of) subs to realistically recreate the dynamics of a full blown drumkit in an audio system. The dirty little secrets of bass response is that 95% of music recordings do not contain this information on the disc in the first place, making the discussion about the theoretical best setup for dynamic low bass reproduction moot. What I mean is in of 95% of Jazz trio recordings with drums, the drums will sounds "subdued" relative to what you would get in a live setting, because the information is simply missing in action on disc.

For this reason, a good pair of (full range!) speakers will in most cases produce more musical bass than a system with heavy duty subs on most actual available recording. In my system (sans subs), I realize I cannot realistically reproduce a drumkit at 110dB (who cares - it is not there on the vast majority of recordings anyway!), but timbre of reproduced acoustic bass is to die for. A theoretical or measurement based approach completely negates this reality.

On movie soundtracks, this is of course NOT the case, because movie soundtracks have engineered highly dynamic low bass content for maximum impact on the audience in battle scenes, explosions and so on, which typically requires subs to reproduce in its full glory.
Edited by edorr - 10/11/13 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger View Post

Can we keep this discussion on Theta products. I will be glad to discuss room acoustics with you but in the appropriate forum. My favorite source of information,http://www.avsforum.com/u/78062/terry-montlick has retired. You aren't adding anything by making assumptions as to what ,"dentist and lawyers," know of which I am neither. Steve, a lawyer, has paid so much attention to acoustics as to have his room custom built to reduce room modes. Yourself?

Can we keep this discussion on Theta products? What Theta products do you own? Plan to buy the Casablanca or get one upgraded? Have an opinions of the attempts to reduce jitter transmitted over HDMI as it relates to prepros?

Yes, I can keep this discussion on Theta's products, but that's not what happens here or anywhere on AVS. Witness the injection of car talk from time to time. Is acoustics not related to your audio system that includes Theta? rolleyes.gif

Threads ebb and flow all the time from subject to subject. Who are you: the self-appointed AVS umpire/moderator? Shall I PM you before I post from now on? Maybe I will PM "thebland" so he'll come back here! tongue.gif

I own a Theta Casablanca 3HD and a 5-channel Dreadnaught I at the present. I plan to have it upgraded to IV sometime. I have no opinion regarding HDMI jitter.

Yes, I have a sardonic sense of humor at times, but I truly love A/V and I hope that shines through. Let's all have our thick skins on...this is the internet after all biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Yes, I can keep this discussion on Theta's products, but that's not what happens here or anywhere on AVS. Witness the injection of car talk from time to time. Is acoustics not related to your audio system that includes Theta? rolleyes.gif

Threads ebb and flow all the time from subject to subject. Who are you: the self-appointed AVS umpire/moderator? Shall I PM you before I post from now on? Maybe I will PM "thebland" so he'll come back here! tongue.gif

I own a Theta Casablanca 3HD and a 5-channel Dreadnaught I at the present. I plan to have it upgraded to IV sometime. I have no opinion regarding HDMI jitter.

Yes, I have a sardonic sense of humor at times, but I truly love A/V and I hope that shines through. Let's all have our thick skins on...this is the internet after all biggrin.gif


What's the backstory behind the "BigAnt" moniker??? I bet its interesting. Perhaps sardonically humerous?biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post



Normally one has the very best components, of a hybrid stereo/multi-channel system, at the stereo part of the system.
E.G., in my system:

STEREO:

Amplifiers: Pair Theta Digital Citadel 1.5 monoblocks
Speakers: Aerial Acoustics Model 9s
Subwoofers: None
DAC: Theta Digital Generation VIII Series 3
Music Source: Custom Media Server w SOTM USB out, into Berkley Alpha USB converter, out digital AES/EBU into
Theta Casablanca III HD

Thanks for the reply. I did read over a lot of your posts and read the magazine article, too. That's where I got the Vandersteen sub reference. Yes, I know that was years ago, but anyway.

When I post it's for everyone unless I specifically name names like when I thanked Bulldogger and edorr for their replies. If I wanted to belittle you I'd do it directly not between the lines. Then you could move for a dismissal or meet in chambers during recess wink.gif

In your reply you state that you go into the GenVIII directly, but doesn't the quote above show different? It reads to me like you're using the GenVIII as the DAC, but controlling through the CB3.

Side note: I think there's a lot of "lurkers" here who don't speak up for one reason or another. Fear of ridicule or rejection?

I've received positive feedback from a few who like the fact that I'm "challenging the billionaire boys club". eek.gif

Sometimes I feel like yelling (this time to Bulldogger): "you can't handle the truth!" (regarding proper subwoofer setup) biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post


In your reply you state that you go into the GenVIII directly, but doesn't the quote above show different? It reads to me like you're using the GenVIII as the DAC, but controlling through the CB3.

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I have two digital AES/EBU cables, one from Berkeley Alpha USB Converter to Gen VIII DAC, one from CB3 HD to Gen VIII DAC. As only one digital AES/EBU cable can connect into the Gen VIII DAC at a time, I have the Gen VIII near the top and on the very end at one side of my three component racks, and I turn off Gen VIII whenever I change the digital AES/EBU cable that's connected. The Berkeley also has a bnc digital out, but Berkeley strongly recommends using the AES/EBU out for best sound quality.
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post



Side note: I think there's a lot of "lurkers" here who don't speak up for one reason or another. Fear of ridicule or rejection?

I've received positive feedback from a few who like the fact that I'm "challenging the billionaire boys club". eek.gif

biggrin.gif

If you want to continue playing "pot shot" I will never again respond to anything you post.
I will simply place you, along with "DougWinsor" and a few others, on my AVS Ignore list.
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post


In your reply you state that you go into the GenVIII directly, but doesn't the quote above show different? It reads to me like you're using the GenVIII as the DAC, but controlling through the CB3.

I don't know how much you know about the way a Casablanca gets connected to a Gen. VIII but you most definitely can connect something directly to a Gen.VIII's input and still control the Gen.VIII with the Casablanca, even though that piece has nothing connected to the Casablanca.
The Casablanca does not even have to have an output from the Digi-output card to the Gen. VIII in order to control the Gen. VIII with the Casablanca.
The only thing you require to control the Gen. VIII with the Casablanca is the DATA cable connection between the two units.

So, it's perfectly acceptable to control a Gen. VIII with a Casablanca and I do it myself for the convenience!

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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Side note: I think there's a lot of "lurkers" here who don't speak up for one reason or another. Fear of ridicule or rejection?

Yes there are alot of lurkers, probably more lurkers then posters. Fear for whatever reason would be a real good reason why that is.
Eventually, if you want to have a say, you have to get over yourself and make that first post! No matter what happens or is said afterward.
The lurkers that ran to you instead of speaking their own mind are big, if you'll excuse the expression, PUS***ES, plain and simple.

I myself lurked for about a decade before making my first post. By the time I did decide to post it had been so long after I joined that I could not even remember my password, or if my name was even correct and signed up again as bigbrother52 and I picked a much worse thread then this one to "come out" and the criticism was enormous on the subject. Believe me, this thread is nothing compared to the cable thread I chimed in on and then they changed course and moved to the subject of break in.

I though I was gonna die holding my tongue through that bunch of BS since I had about 25 years of experience breaking in cables and transformers and everything else in a high voltage Substation. Nothing gets put into service without a break-in period. They learned after 100years that a break-in period might be a real good idea.
After witnessing things that cost several million dollars blow up, time and time again, break-in became a regular, normal, rule and you'd better make sure you could prove you did break it in if the damn thing exploded and maybe caught fire or worse, like take out a huge piece of the grid which might take days or weeks to restore.
But if I'd have tried to explain why break-in should be a normal part of their install, the regular crew there would have chewed me up and spit me out.
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

I've received positive feedback from a few who like the fact that I'm "challenging the billionaire boys club". eek.gif

I will repost a part of a very old post I found back then and it still holds true today. People who do not have always want to beat up on the guys who do have what they can only dream of. You know, the all amps and cables are the same crowd for instance. Who will no doubt want to attack me for saying that to this day, only I did not write the piece so anyone who might feel the urge to tell me that their Emotiva amp is just as good as my Levinsons, only cheaper, can save it for someone who cares. For I am certain the next Emotive client will still beg to differ. And in 17 years I invite them back to tell me what happened and when they got rid of their amp, while mine will still be sitting there quietly doing it's job.

"I hate to say this but AVSforum has an amazing amount of cheap people on here. I don't know if their wives won't let them spend money on some legit cables or components or maybe it's just jealousy but there is a difference in quality. Now I will say this before all of those cheap people get all riled up. I'm cheap too, just not with my hobbies such as audio. Now everybody, though they might not admit it on this forum, does not have the same "golden-ears." So what it comes down to is this, to each his own. If you want to spend $1.00 a ft on lamp cord have at it. If someone wants to spend $14,000 AQ Everest cable, have at it. The important thing is that you are happy with what you have."

And it will always be like that!
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Sometimes I feel like yelling (this time to Bulldogger): "you can't handle the truth!" (regarding proper subwoofer setup) biggrin.gif

Hit him with some real truths then.
With his knowledge, I'm certain he no doubt could squash the truth of an ant no matter what it's size biggrin.gif
Edited by bigbrother52 - 10/12/13 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

I don't know how much you know about the way a Casablanca gets connected to a Gen. VIII but you most definitely can connect something directly to a Gen.VIII's input and still control the Gen.VIII with the Casablanca, even though that piece has nothing connected to the Casablanca. The Casablanca does not even have to have an output from the Digi-output card to the Gen. VIII in order to control the Gen. VIII with the Casablanca. The only thing you require to control the Gen. VIII with the Casablanca is the DATA cable connection between the two units.

So, it's perfectly acceptable to control a Gen. VIII with a Casablanca and I do it myself for the convenience!

D

When I only use the Gen VIII in stereo, I turn the CB3 HD to standby, same for the front center and surround Enterprise monoblocks, my 3 Aerial subs with no signal are also on standby, and I use the Gen VIII's remote to control the Gen VIII and the volume.
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Yes there are alot of lurkers, probably more lurkers then posters. Fear for whatever reason would be a real good reason why that is.
Eventually, if you want to have a say, you have to get over yourself and make that first post! No matter what happens or is said afterward.
The lurkers that ran to you instead of speaking their own mind are big, if you'll excuse the expression, PUS***ES, plain and simple.

I myself lurked for about a decade before making my first post. By the time I did decide to post it had been so long after I joined that I could not even remember my password, or if my name was even correct and signed up again as bigbrother52 and I picked a much worse thread then this one to "come out" and the criticism was enormous on the subject. Believe me, this thread is nothing compared to the cable thread I chimed in on and then they changed course and moved to the subject of break in.

I though I was gonna die holding my tongue through that bunch of BS since I had about 25 years of experience breaking in cables and transformers and everything else in a high voltage Substation. Nothing gets put into service without a break-in period. They learned after 100years that a break-in period might be a real good idea.
After witnessing things that cost several million dollars blow up, time and time again, break-in became a regular, normal, rule and you'd better make sure you could prove you did break it in if the damn thing exploded and maybe caught fire or worse, like take out a huge piece of the grid which might take days or weeks to restore.
But if I'd have tried to explain why break-in should be a normal part of their install, the regular crew there would have chewed me up and spit me out.
I will repost a part of a very old post I found back then and it still holds true today. People who do not have always want to beat up on the guys who do have what they can only dream of. You know, the all amps and cables are the same crowd for instance. Who will no doubt want to attack me for saying that to this day, only I did not write the piece so anyone who might feel the urge to tell me that their Emotiva amp is just as good as my Levinsons, only cheaper, can save it for someone who cares. For I am certain the next Emotive client will still beg to differ. And in 17 years I invite them back to tell me what happened and when they got rid of their amp, while mine will still be sitting there quietly doing it's job.

"I hate to say this but AVSforum has an amazing amount of cheap people on here. I don't know if their wives won't let them spend money on some legit cables or components or maybe it's just jealousy but there is a difference in quality. Now I will say this before all of those cheap people get all riled up. I'm cheap too, just not with my hobbies such as audio. Now everybody, though they might not admit it on this forum, does not have the same "golden-ears." So what it comes down to is this, to each his own. If you want to spend $1.00 a ft on lamp cord have at it. If someone wants to spend $14,000 AQ Everest cable, have at it. The important thing is that you are happy with what you have."

And it will always be like that!
Hit him with some real truths then.
With his knowledge, I'm certain he no doubt could squash the truth of an ant no matter what it's size biggrin.gif

Nice explanations, but you are wasting your breath. The "Ant" is simply intentionally having some fun and trying to stir up things here in this forum - very obvious from a psychological standpoint as one reads his recent posts here. He really doesn't mean any of the "nasty" stuff he is saying, he is just baiting. So I'm ignoring his nonsubstantive comments from this point forward. "Ant", if by chance I am wrong, PM me with your real first name and phone #, and I'll call and get to know you, and vice-versa, a bit, as Theta luvers (if indeed you even own any theta products, as I suspect you are simply a very intelligent person having some fun by baiting
us Theta luvers here at AVS).
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Hey guys, After the useful responses from folks on this thread, I've been researching and talking with dealers, although one brought up something--and I want to make sure it's not a harbinger of what's to come. He said that the Theta Casablanca first got HDMI in 2011...if I remember correctly, HDMI was released in 2005. I just want to verify with any long-time Casablance owners--is this true? And, more importantly, if the industry changes to another connector time, am I likely going to need to wait 5-6 years before the appropriate card is released? This 2011 HDMI release came up in conversation with one of the dealers I spoke with yesterday, and I know it won't be an issue with HDMI 2.0 since two dealers confirmed that 2014 will see an HDMI 2.0 card. But In the future--say, HDBaseT becomes the common connector....should I be concerned? I plan to use an outboard video processor for 4k video switching, so it's not a dealbreaker for me on the video side of things--but if the next connector cable carries with it Audio benefits, then I do want to be able to take advantage of them in synch with the industry. My preferred source output devices carry two HDMI outputs--I use one for a pure video signal and one for the audio signal. I just want to see if my concern is unwarranted.

Which leads me to another question--does the Casablanca have a card that allows for full analog input? 5.1 or 7.1? I would envision that this would be a work-around for the audio side of my above concern. Just doing my due diligence before taking the sizable plunge.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey guys, After the useful responses from folks on this thread, I've been researching and talking with dealers, although one brought up something--and I want to make sure it's not a harbinger of what's to come. He said that the Theta Casablanca first got HDMI in 2011...if I remember correctly, HDMI was released in 2005. I just want to verify with any long-time Casablance owners--is this true? And, more importantly, if the industry changes to another connector time, am I likely going to need to wait 5-6 years before the appropriate card is released? This 2011 HDMI release came up in conversation with one of the dealers I spoke with yesterday, and I know it won't be an issue with HDMI 2.0 since two dealers confirmed that 2014 will see an HDMI 2.0 card. But In the future--say, HDBaseT becomes the common connector....should I be concerned? I plan to use an outboard video processor for 4k video switching, so it's not a dealbreaker for me on the video side of things--but if the next connector cable carries with it Audio benefits, then I do want to be able to take advantage of them in synch with the industry. My preferred source output devices carry two HDMI outputs--I use one for a pure video signal and one for the audio signal. I just want to see if my concern is unwarranted.

Which leads me to another question--does the Casablanca have a card that allows for full analog input? 5.1 or 7.1? I would envision that this would be a work-around for the audio side of my above concern. Just doing my due diligence before taking the sizable plunge.

I would not worry about the future with Theta. Yes, we had to wait longer than we might have wanted to for HDMI, but it happened. Just about every other processor I would have bought when I bought my CB would have been a boat anchor by now. Plus, when HDMI came on Theta was in a bit of flux, with an ownership change and all. But now Theta has stable and well-capitalized ownership (ATI) and they have done the HDMI and now the PR3 upgrade.

Also remember that this industry pushes a lot of new things that never catch on, so who knows if you will ever actually need HDMI 2.0 or HDBaseT. Theta almost certainly won't be first with those, if they end up mattering. But if they do catch on Theta will have them. Most other current processors (or maybe even all of them) will need to be replaced instead of getting the eventual upgrade Theta will offer.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey guys, After the useful responses from folks on this thread, I've been researching and talking with dealers, although one brought up something--and I want to make sure it's not a harbinger of what's to come. He said that the Theta Casablanca first got HDMI in 2011...if I remember correctly, HDMI was released in 2005. I just want to verify with any long-time Casablance owners--is this true? And, more importantly, if the industry changes to another connector time, am I likely going to need to wait 5-6 years before the appropriate card is released? This 2011 HDMI release came up in conversation with one of the dealers I spoke with yesterday, and I know it won't be an issue with HDMI 2.0 since two dealers confirmed that 2014 will see an HDMI 2.0 card. But In the future--say, HDBaseT becomes the common connector....should I be concerned? I plan to use an outboard video processor for 4k video switching, so it's not a dealbreaker for me on the video side of things--but if the next connector cable carries with it Audio benefits, then I do want to be able to take advantage of them in synch with the industry. My preferred source output devices carry two HDMI outputs--I use one for a pure video signal and one for the audio signal. I just want to see if my concern is unwarranted.

Which leads me to another question--does the Casablanca have a card that allows for full analog input? 5.1 or 7.1? I would envision that this would be a work-around for the audio side of my above concern. Just doing my due diligence before taking the sizable plunge.

Theta provides quality & sonics but always is behind the curve with new technology compared to Denon, Yamaha, etc receivers.
The CB3 HD HDMI is simply a pass through. But I do not know, and would assume, that it does not properly pass through 4k unless John Baloff, Theta Tech (you can call him to find out) says otherwise. As to when Theta will upgrade to a HDMI 2.0 pass through, we can only speculate, as nothing definite is until Theta announces this. I speculate that Theta is waiting for their HDMI card vendor, Momemtum Data Systems, to be able to provide the appropriate HDMI 2.0 card and write the software to incorporate this into the upcoming Theta CBIV.

The CBIV will not have a "card" which allows for full analog 5.1 or 7.1 input. However, starting with the CBII (2005), Theta started selling the Six Shooter analog multi-channel preamp, with 5.1 analog inputs balanced and single-ended. The Six Shooter connects
in between the CBII and the amplifiers. I had one, used it with my CBII, then with my CBIII, and it even worked with my CBIII HD - but I took it out because I didn't need it anymore, and I didn't need all the extra analog cables, either. Whether the Six Shooter will work with the CBIV I don't know - my educated guess is Theta is not going to invest in $$ for the extra software programming for the Six Shooter to work with the CBIV as this is the age of digital SSPs. Also, audio purists will contend that the best sounding pure digital
with the CBIII HD and the upcoming CBIV is by not inserting the Six Shooter inbetween the CBIII HD or CBIV and the amplifiers.
By the way, you could use two Six Shooters, to cover 12 channels (Bulldogger at one time did this). The CB3 HD and prior versions do include an onboard analog stereo RCA with a "direct" or "bypass" mode - however, using the Six Shooter for this sounded even better.
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Normally one has the very best components, of a hybrid stereo/multi-channel system, at the stereo part of the system.
E.G., in my system:
STEREO:
Amplifiers: Pair Theta Digital Citadel 1.5 monoblocks
Speakers: Aerial Acoustics Model 9s
Subwoofers: None
DAC: Theta Digital Generation VIII Series 3
Music Source: Custom Media Server w SOTM USB out, into Berkley Alpha USB converter, out digital AES/EBU into
Theta Casablanca III HD.

My setup is identical to SB and really I don't know what the big deal is. That subwoofer is not always necessary and very more likely to degrade sound in a well setup 2 channel system with full range speakers is well known, elementary-level knowledge. Stereo is 2.0, not 2.1 so neither recording or system has planned subwoofer "in mind"; as opposed to movie sound, yeah the one with the point 1 designate the subwoofer. I know, "duh," tongue.gif. Unless designed that way from the start as a system, for example the incredible Wisdom system, adding subwoofer to full range speakers is a trade-off that is not for everyone. You will never see a subwoofer in any Magico demo for example, it would kill the transparency and non-boxy quality of this stellar speaker.

I do agree that BigAnt is deliberately trolling for fun with Steve; otherwise he wouldn't have started that gibberish non-sense questioning and the arrogant, taunting tone, complete with "science-based" teaching of how Steve could improve his system rolleyes.gif. It's kinda funny but wearing thin and perhaps time to move on, there is enough drama on this forum as is ;-). BigAnt, welcome to the Theta club; That said, owning CB doesn't give you license to be a troll. If you don't like it, and I could easily sense you don't, sell it and move on.
Edited by cannga - 10/12/13 at 11:45am
post #5664 of 6787
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Originally Posted by Lex22 View Post

I would not worry about the future with Theta. Yes, we had to wait longer than we might have wanted to for HDMI, but it happened. Just about every other processor I would have bought when I bought my CB would have been a boat anchor by now. Plus, when HDMI came on Theta was in a bit of flux, with an ownership change and all. But now Theta has stable and well-capitalized ownership (ATI) and they have done the HDMI and now the PR3 upgrade.

Also remember that this industry pushes a lot of new things that never catch on, so who knows if you will ever actually need HDMI 2.0 or HDBaseT. Theta almost certainly won't be first with those, if they end up mattering. But if they do catch on Theta will have them. Most other current processors (or maybe even all of them) will need to be replaced instead of getting the eventual upgrade Theta will offer.

That's the truth. I've gone through more processors in that 6 year period than I'd care to admit. So it looks like Theta's goal is determining which technologies have longevity before investing in building a module for it. I'm a little concerned about the lead-time on this, as I'm an "ahead of the curve type of guy, but I'm not ready to give up on the Theta CB yet. Given the customer loyalty I sense here, workarounds must exist for these long waiting periods to keep owners from getting disgruntled. Is there a mod community out there for the Theta boards to unofficially bring newer functionality before Theta officially does?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Theta provides quality & sonics but always is behind the curve with new technology compared to Denon, Yamaha, etc receivers.
The CB3 HD HDMI is simply a pass through. But I do not know, and would assume, that it does not properly pass through 4k unless John Baloff, Theta Tech (you can call him to find out) says otherwise. As to when Theta will upgrade to a HDMI 2.0 pass through, we can only speculate, as nothing definite is until Theta announces this. I speculate that Theta is waiting for their HDMI card vendor, Momemtum Data Systems, to be able to provide the appropriate HDMI 2.0 card and write the software to incorporate this into the upcoming Theta CBIV.

The CBIV will not have a "card" which allows for full analog 5.1 or 7.1 input. However, starting with the CBII (2005), Theta started selling the Six Shooter analog multi-channel preamp, with 5.1 analog inputs balanced and single-ended. The Six Shooter connects
in between the CBII and the amplifiers. I had one, used it with my CBII, then with my CBIII, and it even worked with my CBIII HD - but I took it out because I didn't need it anymore, and I didn't need all the extra analog cables, either. Whether the Six Shooter will work with the CBIV I don't know - my educated guess is Theta is not going to invest in $$ for the extra software programming for the Six Shooter to work with the CBIV as this is the age of digital SSPs. Also, audio purists will contend that the best sounding pure digital
with the CBIII HD and the upcoming CBIV is by not inserting the Six Shooter inbetween the CBIII HD or CBIV and the amplifiers.
By the way, you could use two Six Shooters, to cover 12 channels (Bulldogger at one time did this). The CB3 HD and prior versions do include an onboard analog stereo RCA with a "direct" or "bypass" mode - however, using the Six Shooter for this sounded even better.

Thanks for that info--if the six shooters might not have compatibility with the IV, I should probably avoid them at all costs!! Here's my chief concern--I'm wiring and purchasing not-inexpensive speakers in a configuration appropriate for Dolby Atmos, which I expect to be entering the home market soon (Auro 3D is already coming to the home in 2014 with Storm Audio and Datasat)--I want to be sure that the Theta can be upgraded to be compatible with an Atmos configuration (or, at a minimum, Auro 3D) within a reasonable time, so my extra speakers aren't dormant for years. I think I read somewhere that the Theta Casablanca is capable of up to 16 channels of output, so the Theta will definitely have the outputs for the extra channels that Atmos brings to the table--but accepting and processing the signal--that's where my concern comes in. Was your six shooter your workaround to get PCM Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD Master Audio tracks to your speakers? Or did you use a different processor for movies in the interim?
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

If you want to continue playing "pot shot" I will never again respond to anything you post.

Tell me I'm not the only one who finds a huge dollop of irony in this statement! biggrin.gif

ROTFLMAO! Classic post...
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey guys, After the useful responses from folks on this thread, I've been researching and talking with dealers, although one brought up something--and I want to make sure it's not a harbinger of what's to come. He said that the Theta Casablanca first got HDMI in 2011...if I remember correctly, HDMI was released in 2005. I just want to verify with any long-time Casablance owners--is this true? And, more importantly, if the industry changes to another connector time, am I likely going to need to wait 5-6 years before the appropriate card is released? This 2011 HDMI release came up in conversation with one of the dealers I spoke with yesterday, and I know it won't be an issue with HDMI 2.0 since two dealers confirmed that 2014 will see an HDMI 2.0 card. But In the future--say, HDBaseT becomes the common connector....should I be concerned? I plan to use an outboard video processor for 4k video switching, so it's not a dealbreaker for me on the video side of things--but if the next connector cable carries with it Audio benefits, then I do want to be able to take advantage of them in synch with the industry. My preferred source output devices carry two HDMI outputs--I use one for a pure video signal and one for the audio signal. I just want to see if my concern is unwarranted.

Which leads me to another question--does the Casablanca have a card that allows for full analog input? 5.1 or 7.1? I would envision that this would be a work-around for the audio side of my above concern. Just doing my due diligence before taking the sizable plunge.

Based on what you're looking for, and expecting in the near to far future, the CBIV probably isn't the best choice for you (as SteveB intimated).

Have you looked at the Storm products?

http://www.stormaudio.com/en/products/surround-processors/7788-ssp-16-3d.html
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Originally Posted by 777BigAnt777 View Post

Tell me I'm not the only one who finds a huge dollop of irony in this statement! biggrin.gif

ROTFLMAO! Classic post...

Be nice. I know you live nearby in Tempe, and you might want to drop by and listen to my Theta-Aerial system, which is now all digital, except of course for analog balanced Granite Audio interconnects and speaker cables. Give me a call, sure you still have my #, and come over.

I am also ROTFLMAO (rolling on the floor laughing my behind off:p!
Edited by Steve Bruzonsky - 10/12/13 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

That's the truth. I've gone through more processors in that 6 year period than I'd care to admit. So it looks like Theta's goal is determining which technologies have longevity before investing in building a module for it. I'm a little concerned about the lead-time on this, as I'm an "ahead of the curve type of guy, but I'm not ready to give up on the Theta CB yet. Given the customer loyalty I sense here, workarounds must exist for these long waiting periods to keep owners from getting disgruntled. Is there a mod community out there for the Theta boards to unofficially bring newer functionality before Theta officially does?

No mods by third parties for Theta products.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Thanks for that info--if the six shooters might not have compatibility with the IV, I should probably avoid them at all costs!! Here's my chief concern--I'm wiring and purchasing not-inexpensive speakers in a configuration appropriate for Dolby Atmos, which I expect to be entering the home market soon (Auro 3D is already coming to the home in 2014 with Storm Audio and Datasat)--I want to be sure that the Theta can be upgraded to be compatible with an Atmos configuration (or, at a minimum, Auro 3D) within a reasonable time, so my extra speakers aren't dormant for years. I think I read somewhere that the Theta Casablanca is capable of up to 16 channels of output, so the Theta will definitely have the outputs for the extra channels that Atmos brings to the table--but accepting and processing the signal--that's where my concern comes in. Was your six shooter your workaround to get PCM Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD Master Audio tracks to your speakers? Or did you use a different processor for movies in the interim?

Theta had previously mentioned new DAC cards so that the Casablanca could accommodate a lot more channels. But there has been no mention of the new DAC cards for some time now, And who knows how long before Theta has an upgrade for Dolby Atmos, Auro? I think with Theta concentrating on the CBIV upgrade. In all truth we don't know for sure when the CB will be upgradeable for all the extra Atmos channels that you want - I'm sure eventually, but who knows how long? If you are hell bent on all those channels I would recommend another SSP that does this for now. Even though I luv my theta gear.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Was your six shooter your workaround to get PCM Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD Master Audio tracks to your speakers? Or did you use a different processor for movies in the interim?

Yes, I used the Six Shooter, initially for DVD-Audio and SACD multichannel from my then Theta Compli DVD/Universal player;
and then I used an Integra preamp - blu ray and hd-dvd players, via HDMI into Integra preamp, out 5.1 analog interconnects into Theta Six Shooter. After a year or two, took out Integra and replaced with Marantz UD9004, 5.1 analog out into Six Shooter.
Then, once got the CBIII HD upgrade, stopped using Six Shooter (initially tried it, it did work with the CBIII HD upgrade), with Marantz UD9004 direct via HDMI into CB3 HD SSP. Then replaced Marantz with Theta Compli Blu. Last Dec. replaced Theta Compli Blu with Theta Compli Blu 3d.
Edited by Steve Bruzonsky - 10/12/13 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

I don't know how much you know about the way a Casablanca gets connected to a Gen. VIII but you most definitely can connect something directly to a Gen.VIII's input and still control the Gen.VIII with the Casablanca, even though that piece has nothing connected to the Casablanca.
I know everything there is to know. I was just wondering why he chose to do it that way.

Yes there are alot of lurkers, probably more lurkers then posters. Fear for whatever reason would be a real good reason why that is.
Eventually, if you want to have a say, you have to get over yourself and make that first post! No matter what happens or is said afterward.
The lurkers that ran to you instead of speaking their own mind are big, if you'll excuse the expression, PUS***ES, plain and simple.

I agree they should speak up and get involved. I also think other regular posters involved here should be more accepting to other that want to join the millionaire men's melee biggrin.gif

I myself lurked for about a decade before making my first post. By the time I did decide to post it had been so long after I joined that I could not even remember my password, or if my name was even correct and signed up again as bigbrother52 and I picked a much worse thread then this one to "come out" and the criticism was enormous on the subject. Believe me, this thread is nothing compared to the cable thread I chimed in on and then they changed course and moved to the subject of break in.

I though I was gonna die holding my tongue through that bunch of BS since I had about 25 years of experience breaking in cables and transformers and everything else in a high voltage Substation.
But if I'd have tried to explain why break-in should be a normal part of their install, the regular crew there would have chewed me up and spit me out.

Very interesting and somewhat sad. Why wouldn't someone want to take advantage of all your experience? One of the great, if not the greatest, thing about internet forums is you can take advantage of 1000s of years collective experience.

I will repost a part of a very old post I found back then and it still holds true today. People who do not have always want to beat up on the guys who do have what they can only dream of. You know, the all amps and cables are the same crowd for instance. Who will no doubt want to attack me for saying that to this day, only I did not write the piece so anyone who might feel the urge to tell me that their Emotiva amp is just as good as my Levinsons, only cheaper, can save it for someone who cares. For I am certain the next Emotive client will still beg to differ. And in 17 years I invite them back to tell me what happened and when they got rid of their amp, while mine will still be sitting there quietly doing it's job.

"I hate to say this but AVSforum has an amazing amount of cheap people on here. I don't know if their wives won't let them spend money on some legit cables or components or maybe it's just jealousy but there is a difference in quality. Now I will say this before all of those cheap people get all riled up. I'm cheap too, just not with my hobbies such as audio. Now everybody, though they might not admit it on this forum, does not have the same "golden-ears." So what it comes down to is this, to each his own. If you want to spend $1.00 a ft on lamp cord have at it. If someone wants to spend $14,000 AQ Everest cable, have at it. The important thing is that you are happy with what you have."
And it will always be like that!

Very true. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink.

Hit him with some real truths then.
With his knowledge, I'm certain he no doubt could squash the truth of an ant no matter what it's size biggrin.gif

Hey, ants are extremely strong for their size wink.gif
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Hey, ants are extremely strong for their size wink.gif


Big ants also have extremely unique and strong instant messaging:


http://www.softsia.com/BigAnt-Office-Instant-Messaging-Server-download-qyn4.htm


Ants have multiple brains, too:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_ants_have_brains


There actually is a "Theta Ant":
http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/thetaant.html
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