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post #5881 of 6790
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post


I was wondering if the new TDD let you save your settings, I can't figure out how that button clicks, if in fact it does.

I spend hours on the phone with poor old bulldogger since I only use Windows once or twice every couple of years for upgrades and the last time was installing the Portserver 16 which actually took my first 16 ports of the computer and and never let them go, the TDD only goes to 12. Major frustrating but problem finally solved for use of TDD later on today, if the Brain should finally arrive! !

My questions were just answered by John B.

All that last nights work did was just identify an additional problem with my old software.

The current version of TDD won't read my old Brain card in order to save it's settings, so he just sent an older version TDD In order to save the current settings.

Then when the new Brain Card is installed, I'll use the current TDD to install the new software and reinstall the old settings.

It's all a bit more then I expected, but I'm certainly getting an education into the Casablanca's inner workings.

All of this to be done when and if the card actually arrives. Tracking of the card shows it left their facility in NJ and the next day brought right back to the same place to start their sort process all over again! It still hasn't left the NJ facility for the 2nd time yet!....... Amazing!
post #5882 of 6790
I don't have any problem - I use my own "Brain" which remembers my settings perfectly. HA!

Maybe four months ago, my CB3 HD "crashed", no sound, just like Steve Cale. I didn't bother calling anyone or writing anyone, I simply reloaded the firmware and presto, all my sound came back. Yes I did need to reprogram the inputs, that all took maybe 15 minutes.

Now if you guys want to pay my air fare and hotels, maybe my "Brain" could do a cross country tour on CB3 HDs, soon to be CB4s. HA!
post #5883 of 6790
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

I don't have any problem - I use my own "Brain" which remembers my settings perfectly. HA!

Maybe four months ago, my CB3 HD "crashed", no sound, just like Steve Cale. I didn't bother calling anyone or writing anyone, I simply reloaded the firmware and presto, all my sound came back. Yes I did need to reprogram the inputs, that all took maybe 15 minutes.

Now if you guys want to pay my air fare and hotels, maybe my "Brain" could do a cross country tour on CB3 HDs, soon to be CB4s. HA!

Well I do have an actual problem nobody else should have. I can't just simply reload the software and presto fixo.
It's the price I pay for volunteering to be #1 for a major redesign and I'm fine with it.

You played it safe and waited for it to become nearly problem free before plucking down a dime. Fine, and even understandable at that.
Like you, I wouldn't have a problem today installing the newest software either or Digi-out card, had I waited for it to become that safe.

I posted a pic of the card that requires replacement, it's no small component that's for sure. And this very first card is different in some way then the one in every other
CB-IIIHD.
Reloading the software without so much as a phone call to Theta wouldn't have done me much good. Yet you mock me for requiring help from Theta to make their first machine as problem free as their last!
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David Reich received the software version I'm currently running the night of Jan.6th 2011 and installed it just moments before they were ready to box the CB-IIIHD with the previous version of software. According to his text message, it was 10pm eastern time, informing he was ready to ship "The First One In The World".
I received it the very next day.
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Were you to be having the sort of a problem I'm experiancing at the moment, you would be calling and writing Theta and your dealer all day long, and no doubt sending it back to the factory by now.

I think I've made great strides thus far with as little help from Theta as possible and have not even bothered the dealer with a single call regarding my inability to install the new Digi-out card.
Have you ever heard of another user ever replacing these particular cards before?
I don't think so!
I'm making far better use of my brain performing this task then being able to remember what my settings are, so HA!.right back at ya.
The CB-IV upgrade should be a piece of cake by comparison.

You must realize that I could easily redo the settings afterwards, but since Theta has the technology to restore what I have, why the heck should I?
All I've asked for is a version of TDD that will actually work for me. I think that's fair, considering I don't mind doing all of the other work myself..

And since you mention it, now that the cover is already off of my Casablanca, I'm not even going to bother to button it all back up,
I'll do that when I turn it into a CB-IV, a version of Casablanca that depending upon the speed of the regional Fed Ex,,many CB-IIIHD owners will get at about the same time and nobody will actually be able to say that they have "The First One In The World"!

And those are not my words to begin with, I only quote the man who built it!
post #5884 of 6790
Just ignore him
post #5885 of 6790
When my CBIII randomly stopped working back in 2009, it ended up being a faulty board and it is quite possible the brain was at fault. There are moments when I fear the same thing has happened again every now and then. It is not unusual to get no sound upon startup from the CBIII once or twice a week, especially with the TiVo. Usually necessitates an on/off reset.

I've noticed lately that when putting the unit into standby with the remote, it will start the standby process but then return to normal operation. A second press of the remote and it really does go into standby.

I expect leaving the unit on would help all this (I completely turn the whole lot off when I'm done with it) but the CBIII can definitely be cantankerous at times! :-).
post #5886 of 6790
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

Just ignore him

Mark, you misinterpret that I was mocking you. I had no such intent.

I was mocking Steve Kale, who went through a whole "process" of posting here on the forum, etc before doing what I call the KISS (keep it simple stupid) solution, reloading the software. Whereas I simply reloaded the firmware and that was that. I just used my "brain" vs the CB3 HD "brain" as more of my attempt at humor, not to poke any jabs at you. You're a great guy and I so much appreciate all the pain and terror you went through with the first consumer CB3 HD upgrade. You sacrificed yourself for the rest of us. HA!

I am still "mad" at Steve Kale for jumping on my a-s-s here at this thread the other day, mocking my statement that using my custom media server with an external 4TB USB music drive attached remotely/wirelessly over my network sounds better than using an external 4 TB eSATA drive connected direct to my music server. Kale said there must be something done wrong with my power setup for this to occur. I am still chucking at his "know it all" attitude which knows so little sometimes. After all, he only has the CB3 HD for his music - he hasn't jumped up to a better DAC like I, you (BigBrother), Bulldogger, and just recently Eleanor (named after his dog) have done. Steve Kale's system isn't musically resolving enough for him to really discern differences. When he upgrades the musicality of his system, for not only movies (CB3 HD with Extreme DACs excellent for movies) but also for music (the Gen VIII DAC with its 192-24 stereo and excellent analog outputs is a class act in this regard) then he will have opportunity to really discern musical differences with different components and setups.
post #5887 of 6790
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Originally Posted by sierraalphahotel View Post

When my CBIII randomly stopped working back in 2009, it ended up being a faulty board and it is quite possible the brain was at fault. There are moments when I fear the same thing has happened again every now and then. It is not unusual to get no sound upon startup from the CBIII once or twice a week, especially with the TiVo. Usually necessitates an on/off reset.

My board isn't defective, what's on,it just became obsolete virtually overnight.. I only need a new one if I want 7.1 or the new software to get higher rez from a computer. Otherwise, the old software is rock solid and never crashes. I will be sad to see it go if newer software produces crashes.
I'm sure that's all been solved with the CB-IV though and possibly with v431 if it's installed properly.

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Originally Posted by sierraalphahotel View Post

I expect leaving the unit on would help all this (I completely turn the whole lot off when I'm done with it) but the CBIII can definitely be cantankerous at times! :-).

Ya gotta stop turning it completely off everyday, it can't be a good thing for your Casablanca
post #5888 of 6790
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

Just ignore him

Maybe your the one who needs to be ignored.

Don't reload new software after a first attempt that produces no audio. Sheesh!
post #5889 of 6790
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Mark, you misinterpret that I was mocking you. I had no such intent.

I was mocking Steve Kale, who went through a whole "process" of posting here on the forum, etc before doing what I call the KISS (keep it simple stupid) solution, reloading the software. Whereas I simply reloaded the firmware and that was that. I just used my "brain" vs the CB3 HD "brain" as more of my attempt at humor, not to poke any jabs at you. You're a great guy and I so much appreciate all the pain and terror you went through with the first consumer CB3 HD upgrade. You sacrificed yourself for the rest of us. HA!
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Perhaps i did jump to conclusions and overreacted to your eh-hmm, sense of humor.
But now you flatter me too much so I assume that's also supposed to be funny smile.gif

I'm giving up calling it the "Brain" board. It leaves it too wide open for inappropriate comments.rolleyes.gif

But the ADP-11 is finally out for delivery and should be here very late this afternoon. If all goes well it should be re-installed and all be back up and running with V431 late tonight, with all inputs reconfigured whether I receive the proper TDD in time or not! smile.gif

The ADP 11's bottom two screws are nearly impossible to get to without drawing blood, I can't recall the last time I've been this cut up!
They are also the tightest screws in the entire unit.

And with delivery being delayed for so many days (not Theta's fault) it's been quite frustrating.
post #5890 of 6790
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Perhaps i did jump to conclusions and overreacted to your eh-hmm, sense of humor.
But now you flatter me too much so I assume that's also supposed to be funny smile.gif

I'm giving up calling it the "Brain" board. It leaves it too wide open for inappropriate comments.rolleyes.gif

But the ADP-11 is finally out for delivery and should be here very late this afternoon. If all goes well it should be re-installed and all be back up and running with V431 late tonight, with all inputs reconfigured whether I receive the proper TDD in time or not! smile.gif

The ADP 11's bottom two screws are nearly impossible to get to without drawing blood, I can't recall the last time I've been this cut up!
They are also the tightest screws in the entire unit.

And with delivery being delayed for so many days (not Theta's fault) it's been quite frustrating.

You merit the flattery!

As for my sense of humor - if you get drunk you will laugh at anything!@@biggrin.gif
post #5891 of 6790
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Mark, you misinterpret that I was mocking you. I had no such intent.

I was mocking Steve Kale, who went through a whole "process" of posting here on the forum, etc before doing what I call the KISS (keep it simple stupid) solution, reloading the software. Whereas I simply reloaded the firmware and that was that. I just used my "brain" vs the CB3 HD "brain" as more of my attempt at humor, not to poke any jabs at you. You're a great guy and I so much appreciate all the pain and terror you went through with the first consumer CB3 HD upgrade. You sacrificed yourself for the rest of us. HA!

I am still "mad" at Steve Kale for jumping on my a-s-s here at this thread the other day, mocking my statement that using my custom media server with an external 4TB USB music drive attached remotely/wirelessly over my network sounds better than using an external 4 TB eSATA drive connected direct to my music server. Kale said there must be something done wrong with my power setup for this to occur. I am still chucking at his "know it all" attitude which knows so little sometimes. After all, he only has the CB3 HD for his music - he hasn't jumped up to a better DAC like I, you (BigBrother), Bulldogger, and just recently Eleanor (named after his dog) have done. Steve Kale's system isn't musically resolving enough for him to really discern differences. When he upgrades the musicality of his system, for not only movies (CB3 HD with Extreme DACs excellent for movies) but also for music (the Gen VIII DAC with its 192-24 stereo and excellent analog outputs is a class act in this regard) then he will have opportunity to really discern musical differences with different components and setups.

Oh, Steve, you spend too much time in your bunker. Your mockery was all too plain for anyone to see and all too common unfortunately. This thread isn't your personal fiefdom.

As soon as you mentioned you were very foolishly deploying eSATA the answer became obvious. Personally, I wouldn't have even given that option a moment's notice.

As for "know it all attitude" I'd say that's 'the pot calling the kettle black.' Keep chuckling.

The CB is a finicky item. I had endeavoured to reload the firmware several times. It didn't "take" until I tried one more time with a new file from John. Without seeking his help it would still be bricked. To not contact Theta in that situation is just plain stupid, i.e. to engage one's brain meant a quick chat with John.

Oh, so without a Gen VIII Ser 3 one doesn't have a resolving system. Hmmm…..Ok. Fine. Personally, I wouldn't be so disparaging of Theta's CB and Xtreme DACs. (And I choose not to be disparaging of any of the components in your system.) Perhaps I will pick up a Gen VIII S3, after all, they're not expensive, but I would rather wait for the Series IV which is undoubtedly in the works.

In contrast, however, I would simply say that we each have a different definition of "wow!". That is to say, I get out more. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #5892 of 6790
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Maybe your the one who needs to be ignored.

Don't reload new software after a first attempt that produces no audio. Sheesh!

Maybe - but after how many times would you pause? 4? 5? 6? I can tell you I tried more than 10 times with the original file. Calling out to John meant I got a new file with an entire firmware rather than the patch. More than 10x with one file and a couple of times with the new tends to drop one's faith in 'trying one more time'. It wasn't until the third go with this new file that it all "took". John's raison d'être is to provide support in such circumstances and he's damn good at providing it. I flagged the EDID issue to him and now we have new code with the problem's gone. That's worth a conversation with John. I will happily reach out to him when I have problems again. To not do so would be stupid. And, yes, when my CB suddenly has no audio is does give me reason for concern. My other one is in my storage unit and doesn't have HDMI.
post #5893 of 6790
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post


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As soon as you mentioned you were very foolishly deploying eSATA the answer became obvious. Personally, I wouldn't have even given that option a moment's notice.

D biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif


It is well established that if you are using USB audio, you should use a non-USB method for your music. Its been discussed previously in thread.

Need I go on? You have a lot ot say but little experience or knowledge.cool.gif
Edited by Steve Bruzonsky - 10/30/13 at 4:00pm
post #5894 of 6790
Yes, I'm sooo not worthy. Anyone who doesn't own a Gen VIII isn't able to have an opinion and doesn't have a system worth squat. Silly me. Wayne's World!

It's almost worth the purchase price just to stop such nonsense.

More seriously, it's a shame this is your view of the world, but you are entitled to it. I just don't share it. Even if I could resolve the differences between data fed from an internal SSD powered with an independent low-ripple PSU versus eSATA versus data fed wirelessly from a NAS drive - remembering all the time that the entire data for the file was already fed into RAM before playback even commenced - I doubt I would be calling that "WOW!" But, hey, we're different. WOW! for me is my son being born, partying my a.r.s.e. (note the correct spelling) with my closest friends in Ibiza or a great powder day on the slopes, just to give a few examples. It is my opinion, however, that the only way that differences such as those you obviously observed can possibly manifest themselves in such a way is if there are contaminants in the power (such as from a noisy eSATA drive) because when it comes to playback, the entire file is already in memory in both instances.

No, I don't profess "expertise" at all. I leave that for people well-regarded and experienced in the industry. For the rest, most often its a collection of assorted bits of "knowledge" (such a transient thing) and "experience" but never really what I would call "expertise".
post #5895 of 6790
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

It is well established that if you are using USB audio, you should use a non-USB method for your music. Its been discussed previously in thread.

Yes, yes. Or a different USB bus. Old news or should I say beliefs. There are those who purport to be being able to hear such things as the bus contamination of data input sharing the same bus as data output. (There are also those who believe they can hear the different between a WAV file and a FLAC file of the same resolution because the CPU has to do more work on the latter…)

Internal SSD is SATA by the way, not USB. But you knew that same as you knew that your eSATA wasn't USB and hence already different from your USB bus output path. So I'm not sure why you raise the USB bus point.

Hey, let's call it quits here. I value your opinion on many matters here even as I disagree with you on other items. We each have differing degrees of experience on various items (neither of us meet my definition of experts) and you almost certainly spend more time in your listening seat than I do mine. I'm glad you're passionate about this hobby. Ciao.
post #5896 of 6790
So with all this to & fro about USB & eSATA which is the best to use, musically.
I can run my 1TB Hard drive in a caddy with both USB & eSATA outputs into my Cambridge Audio Azure 751. I found that the eSATA was more stable than the USB but is there any reason why not to use that method musically?.
post #5897 of 6790
There are some really good "treatises" on computer audio over at the Computer Audiophile Forum discussing pretty much all aspects of computer audio.

My understanding is that if you are doing USB audio out of the PC, that its best not to use a USB external drive, but something else, whether NAS (networked) or even eSATA. This is why I use an external eSATA drive, and why I may be moving to a networked drive as my demo so far has been quite positive.

I never said external USB necessarily sounds any better than external eSATA. Its a software concern as again my limited understanding is the multiple uses of USB by one PC can potentially cause conflicts and interruptions in the audio.

Steve Kale uses digital coaxial to output audio, so his use of an external USB drive, if he went the external route, is not a concern.

And regarding internal drives, vs external drives, vs NAS networked drives, bits are bits, right?
That's the eternal digital is perfect vs non-perfect argument we've heard ever since CDs players came into existence. The concern is the electrical and vibration nolise negatively affecting the audio signal of 1s and 0s. For this same reason, Amir (AVS member, owner Madrona Digital high end audio and home theater dealer, ex head of Microsoft video division, engineering degree(s))
recommends using digital cables, even HDMI, of no shorter than 1.5M, to avoid digital reflections which may negatively impact the audio signal -Pat Harkins of Lumagen has also stated this regarding HDMI cables.tongue.gif
post #5898 of 6790
JGWatt, for the record I don't use USB for anything with my audio server and have never said I did. As noted above there is a school of thought that says it is best not to use the same USB bus (to be more precise than Steve) for both incoming and outgoing audio data. Whether that truly does affect sonics I have no idea as I don't use USB for anything but personally I would approach that topic with a degree of skepticism in the same way I approach those who think they can hear the differences between playing compressed lossless files and uncompressed lossless files. That's just me.

An external eSATA caddy typically has its own power supply and these are typically of low quality. Even worse, if the enclosed drive is a typical hard drive (not SSD) then it will be even more noisy. For the same reason you don't want a noisy spinning hard drive within the enclosure you would ideally not use one via eSATA and even worse one with a poor power supply injecting that noise into your server. An eSATA caddy wouldn't be on my list of options to even try.

This is why I use an internal, SATA connected, SSD powered independently of the motherboard.

Bits are bits and, of course, in the case of a file being brought into memory ahead of playback there isn't even a question of the timing of retrieval of those bits being affected by the storage mode (it's all in RAM in either scenario before anything starts). (Even more so when (such as in Steve's case) the data is packeted on the way out in an asynchronous USB setup.) So if one experiences differences in quality between various forms of storage then intrinsically it has to be a question of those forms of storage somehow adding electrical (power) noise to the system and that noise making it all the way into the final conversion to analogue.

As we all know, the ones and zeros don't typically get affected (otherwise the computer would crash) but in the case of a source dependent clock setup like SPDIF such noise can affect the timing of those bits and their sonics in playback. In Steve's case he is using packeted USB for the data out which has the advantage of not relying on the source clock. One challenge for USB out, however, is its inherent lack of galvanic isolation which products such as the Berkeley Alpha go to great lengths to combat and by all accounts it does it rather well. So think about it, for a form of storage to affect the sonics of a file that is brought into RAM before playback on a system that isn't using a source dependent clock (i.e. an asynchronous setup) then that form of storage must be pretty bad to pollute the entire system. Given the bits aren't corrupted we're talking power noise polluting everything through to at least the SPDIF conversion in another device.
post #5899 of 6790
I was not able to get the older version of TDD, so I just did it the old fashioned way, I started from scratch!

I decided it would be best to just remove the old ADP11 V2 and old Digi-Out Card and install the ADP11 V3.1 & the new Digi-Out Cards and then just install the new software and be done with it.
The software installed on the first shot and only took a couple of minutes, I was expecting a 20-25 minute install.

Of course I can't tell whether it's the new software or the new ADP11 that fixed certain problems but most things are working exactly as they should. I'm sure the software played a major role here though.
My only problem is that I'm not getting 192k out of the Mini with Audirvana for some reason, although it identifies 176k and even DSD64 files just fine.
This could be either a computer problem, a problem with my Video Processor or possibly a Gen. VIII problem, it's a question for John.

Before this install, a multichannel DSD ISO would often take a good 4-5 minutes before the blanca would switch to MLPCM and there would be no audio at all until the switch.
It appears to switch instantly now.

I would also have to let the computer buffer for 10 minutes or more for it to get through an entire 5.1 DSD ISO, now it just plays back without having to buffer. So the connection to the Blanca was somehow even effecting the way the computer buffered. Only 5.1 channel files at 96k or below would play without all of this buffering.
These were problems that I thought were caused by the computers processor not being powerful enough to handle multichannel DSD ISO's and only 5.1 channel tracks that had been extracted from the DSD ISO's played without this problem.

Of course I've only had time to test a few but so far every Multichannel DSD ISO I've tried starts to play immediately and they buffer faster then they play, which is a very big deal to me!

As I've mentioned before, I've got the computer hooked up two ways, both ways are through a DVDO VP50 Video Processor I no longer use for video as it's HDMI 1.1
So from the Mini Via HDMI it goes to the VP and HDMI out to the Blanca and with the Digi-Out Card is then connected to the Gen. VIII Series 3

The other way is almost the same but I output the VP50 Via digital coax to the Gen.VIII in order to get 176k to the front speakers, the rest of the channels are passed along to the Blanca Via HDMI where those channels currently get down sampled to 48k.

It has been connected this way for sometime, but I could never get the surround channels to play anything if Audirvana sent a signal above 96k to the Blanca, which left the Gen. VIII to play at a maximum of 96k for 5.1 music
As described above, this is no longer the case.

I also checked the output of the new Digi-Out Card and it does up or down sample any signal it outputs at 96K.

And the software does get rid of any tick or click that remained in the left surround speaker that was caused by a mode change.

In other words, with only the past few hours with it, it seems to operate perfectly!
Old 2010 ADP11 R2 Brain

New 2012 ADP11 R3.1 Brain
post #5900 of 6790
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

JGWatt, for the record I don't use USB for anything with my audio server and have never said I did. As noted above there is a school of thought that says it is best not to use the same USB bus (to be more precise than Steve) for both incoming and outgoing audio data. Whether that truly does affect sonics I have no idea as I don't use USB for anything but personally I would approach that topic with a degree of skepticism in the same way I approach those who think they can hear the differences between playing compressed lossless files and uncompressed lossless files. That's just me.

In the absence of any consensus on this issue (and many others), I keep coming back to listening. So I copied the same music file onto my internal SSD, external USB drive and NAS and loaded all three of them in my JRiver library, not knowing which file was stored where and rotated through the three for real time listening comparison (using USB to drive the DAC). I could not pick a winner. I did the same with a Flac and WAV version of the same track - again no winner. Not invalidating or questioning others' experience, just saying for me - in my system - there was no audible difference.
post #5901 of 6790
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

In the absence of any consensus on this issue (and many others), I keep coming back to listening. So I copied the same music file onto my internal SSD, external USB drive and NAS and loaded all three of them in my JRiver library, not knowing which file was stored where and rotated through the three for real time listening comparison (using USB to drive the DAC). I could not pick a winner. I did the same with a Flac and WAV version of the same track - again no winner. Not invalidating or questioning others' experience, just saying for me - in my system - there was no audible difference.

But do you have a Gen VIII?!
post #5902 of 6790
Congrats BB52. Now try just plugging the computer into the CB directly via HDMI. The computer should now see the CB as a multichannel capable device.
post #5903 of 6790
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

But do you have a Gen VIII?!

No. I have a MSB Signature Plus + Arc Ref 5SE, with transparent reference ICs and Shunyata Anaconda Zitron PCs. both hooked up to a PS Audio P5. I seriously doubt the Gen VIII unveils more subtle differences than my front end, but I could be wrong of course.
post #5904 of 6790
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

Congrats BB52. Now try just plugging the computer into the CB directly via HDMI. The computer should now see the CB as a multichannel capable device.

As I tried to explain, my CB-IIIhd has always seen the signal from the computer as MLPCM, the problem was it offered no audio if the signal was above 96k
post #5905 of 6790
Every once in a while, I get the itch to get back on the CB bandwagon. It struck earlier this morning. I loved it when I had it but even then, re-boots were necessary more than I thought they should be given I had a $14,000 piece of hardware. And then I read threads like this and read the so many continuing issues with the CB even still. Multiple restarts per week, this problem and that problem. For a product that is this mature, I really can't understand why product reliability is so underwhelming.

I have owned three much less expensive SSP's since I sold my CB and have yet to re-boot or re-start any of them. I read threads on some of the other very high end SSP's and don't see this level of unreliability.

Is the CB IV allegedly going to be a stable product?
post #5906 of 6790
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

As I tried to explain, my CB-IIIhd has always seen the signal from the computer as MLPCM, the problem was it offered no audio if the signal was above 96k
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post


As I've mentioned before, I've got the computer hooked up two ways, both ways are through a DVDO VP50 Video Processor I no longer use for video as it's HDMI 1.1
So from the Mini Via HDMI it goes to the VP and HDMI out to the Blanca and with the Digi-Out Card is then connected to the Gen. VIII Series 3

The other way is almost the same but I output the VP50 Via digital coax to the Gen.VIII in order to get 176k to the front speakers, the rest of the channels are passed along to the Blanca Via HDMI where those channels currently get down sampled to 48k.

It has been connected this way for sometime, but I could never get the surround channels to play anything if Audirvana sent a signal above 96k to the Blanca, which left the Gen. VIII to play at a maximum of 96k for 5.1 music
As described above, this is no longer the case.

Ok it was not clear from what you wrote. What is the purpose now of the DVDO VP50 Video Processor which you no use for video? The reason why the computer didn't have an EDID issue with the CB was likely because of the intervening VP50 and perhaps there was indeed still an EDID issue between VP50 and the CB wherein the EDID would not pass above 96kHz to the CB. The main thrust of the v4.31 software was to fix the EDID issue I raised with John. It would seem the other thrust was intended to fix the left rear speaker "click" but on my system that issue remains.
post #5907 of 6790
Are you guys joking with where this thread is going ?

I have an incredible amount of CB3HD machines operational worldwide and we have almost no complaints. When i say almost none, I am saying that there are a few people that have had a Board Fail here and there but in the almost 3 Years the HD has been on the market its been amazingly stable.

Lets keep this in mind. I sell Bryston, Anthem, Lexicon, Levinson and occasionally meridian and Classe and the CB3Hd is as or more stable than any of those machines. Now I am looking at this from a broad spectrum and keep in mind out of the hundreds and hundreds of CB3HD's that are out there how many people that own them are on this thread ? Not as many as you think.

We have people with CB3HD machines that have had them running solid since the release in 2011 and they have never had a glitch or have had to reload any software.

AUDIOGUY (CHUCK) back in March 2012 you came to us with a list of questions asking about hard dates as to when things might be available and you were thinking about buying two Casablancas for you and your friend. We accommodated your questions and then you fell off the map and must have gone in another direction. When you say is the Cb4 supposedly going to be stable, Its really irritating considering its as stable as every other Pre Pro out there. More important its the only fully upgradable Pre Pro on the planet. You must have been using something for the last 3 years and if so, why are you thinking about Theta again ?

Producing Highly Technical American Made Pre Pro's is something that very few people either want to do or can do. Look at the Pre Pro's that are available today and trust me you can count on one hand how many are made here. You can also count on one finger how many are truly upgradable and have a track record of almost 20 years of upgrades. There is no question that if you buy a Yamaha Pre pro for 3500 it will be pretty darn stable and because they sell thousands of them, they can put a ton of engineers in Japan on it and make it low cost and pretty nice to look at. When you listen to it, you quickly realize that its a great deal for 3500 but its not a CB3HD.. There is nothing today that sounds like Casablanca and shortly when the CB4 is released they will be in a position that there is no second best. I truly believe they will occupy the first second and third best in the Pre Pro market and behind that will be the rest !

Craig
Theatermax LLC
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Ok it was not clear from what you wrote. What is the purpose now of the DVDO VP50 Video Processor which you no use for video? The reason why the computer didn't have an EDID issue with the CB was likely because of the intervening VP50 and perhaps there was indeed still an EDID issue between VP50 and the CB wherein the EDID would not pass above 96kHz to the CB. The main thrust of the v4.31 software was to fix the EDID issue I raised with John. It would seem the other thrust was intended to fix the left rear speaker "click" but on my system that issue remains.

I haven't noticed any ticks yet. I hope I don't but I only tried to make it go in and out of DD for a short time just to test it out. It usually would have shown the problem quite a few times in that period of time.

The purpose of the VP is to extract the front 2 channels of an HDMI multi channel music source with digital coax and feed that directly into the, dare I say it, Gen. VIII's coaxial input.

By doing this I get the front two channels at the proper sample rate and a higher sample rate then the CB-III is capable of delivering. The CB-III is then passed all of the channels from the VP's HDMI output.
But I can still use the Digi-out card as well to feed the Gen. VIII through it's XLR input. Until today that was a 48k feed, now it;s a 48k feed up-sampled to 96 by the newer Digi-out card.
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My CBIV has operated quite stably except for the odd power cycle on/off requirement. i have a very, very complex arrangement and it sounds amazing (which is what its designed to do) and works stably. As some may remember, my first unit was finicky but full points to Theta that they replaced it with a brand new unit which has been lovely. and did i say it sounds better than anything I have owned or heard before in 2ch or multi?

In the past, I have owned many , many pre pros and they're all at some level finisky which is why dealer and manufacturer support is key.
- my B&K amp went back twice. they alsways fixed it but never replaced it.
- my parasound Halo, back then quite state of the art, failed, went back, failed and then they replaced it
- even a blloody marantz receiver went back once and got fixed (in warranty) and then broke again and was fixed out of warranty!

any electronic these days has lower tolerance quite frankly. theta is no better or worse than others but has the mom-and-pop service and love that is hard to find these days
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My CBIV has operated quite stably except for the odd power cycle on/off requirement. i have a very, very complex arrangement and it sounds amazing and works stably.
As some may remember, my first unit was finicky but full points to Theta that they replaced it with a brand new unit which has been lovely.

the mom-and-pop service and love that is hard to find these days


Mom always liked you better then me, she gave you a CBIV and all I got was your finicky old CB3HD smile.gif
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