The official "Theta" thread - Page 26

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Wait! I believe only the newer cards like the Superior II, Premium, and Xtreme can be reconfigured to handle different channels. Steve has Xtreme dacs so what he was able to do does not apply to your needs. Here's the last discussion, note Les's comments, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archi...t-1212948.html

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

But that my point. You took out original Superior dacs, which are not reconfigurable and replaced them with cards that could be. I actually bought an old card with my CBII, Superior1, thinking I could reconfigure it. I actually shipped it in to Theta. It could not be done and the card was shipped back. I resold it.

Originally Posted by edorr


When I sold one Xtreme last year I traded in an old superior card without knowing this. Through sheer luck it turned out to be exactly the configuration I need. I have not installed it yet, but once I sell my 2nd extreme I will use this card. I will then have one Superior II for F/L/C and a Superior 1 for Sl/Sr/Sub. I am keeping the Superior II to get better SQ on MCH once Netflix starts streaming Dolby+, but an Xtreme would be overkill for this.

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Looks like you should sell that Digi out card. There is a guy on Audiogon with a WTB ad . Oh, I believe he has an extra metal cover, so you do not have to have an open hole there too.

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Or pull a joke on Steve. Call FedEx and have it held for pick up. He would be expecting it but it would not be delivered. You might have to hire a hit man though to kill the one Steve would send after you : ) .o

Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky

Too late. It arrived 8:45 AM today!!!!!!! So the CB3 HD is here and is not my April Fool's joke this year. The question is what is my April Fool's joke this year?

Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky

Well, my CB3 HD works fine using its onboard analog balanced Extreme DAC outputs.
I also have the CB3 HD working with the Six Shooter! However, still workin' on figuring how to integrate the Gen VIII Series 2 DAC for the front left and right channels in lieu of the Extreme DACs for those channels.

Just finished dinner. Back to work!!!@@@

Originally Posted by stick70

Well, my CB3 HD works fine using its onboard analog balanced Extreme DAC outputs.
I also have the CB3 HD working with the Six Shooter! However, still workin' on figuring how to integrate the Gen VIII Series 2 DAC for the front left and right channels in lieu of the Extreme DACs for those channels.

Just finished dinner. Back to work!!!@@@

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Steve besides connecting the data out from the CBIII to the Gen VIII, I believe you have to also select which channels in the Gen VIII menu that you want it to respond to volume commands from the CBIII. You have the option of Left and Right, Center and Sub, etc, but I believe you do have to select. Otherwise the volume will increase as you increase the volume on the Casablanca, but the channels may not be balanced.

Originally Posted by bigbrother52

When using the CB-III or CB-IIIHD in conjunction with a Gen VIII, for the assingned input selected to be the input of the CB-III, don't you simply set Unity Gain to ON for that input In the Gen VIII?

This makes the Gen VIII output at full volume all the time, for any of it's givin inputs, (not channels as I understand it), then the volume output to his 6-Shooter (or amps if someone is not using a 6-Shooter) will always be the same and all the level balancing can and should be done within the Casablanca, for only that particular input selected, and it can still be used as a pre-amp for the other inputs and have variable output on all of those.

If you leave it to act as a pre-amp, AFTER being feed from the CB III-HD, like the way it's currently set-up for of you guys waiting on your upgrades, then it would present this problem, but only if you actually allow it to control volume AFTER the CB III-HD.


It seems I always say, don't you "simply" do it this way or that, when I don't have one to play with!
Everything is simple from my armchair

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

That's just using the Gen VIII as a preamp. Seems like Steve's intention is to use it as a dac instead of using the Xtreme dacs? If you set-up to act as a dac with volume control, the Xtremes are not used for those channels. That's the way I intend to do it. They way you describe would just pass through the output from the Xtreme dacs? I know you luv those Xtreme dacs but?

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Would not you just switch inputs? Then you are using the Gen 8 as a preamp for whatever source selected? Volume control of the Gen8 seems to operate largely the same as a Six Shooter when slaved to the Casablanca. One can also use it stand alone.

Originally Posted by bigbrother52

When using the CB-III or CB-IIIHD in conjunction with a Gen VIII, you'll need to select a particular input on the Gen. VIII, to be used from the output of the CB-III, and simply set Unity Gain to ON for that input In the Gen VIII?

This makes the Gen VIII output at full output all the time, for any of it's givin inputs, (not channels as I understand it), then the volume output to his 6-Shooter (or amps if someone is not using a 6-Shooter) will always be the same and all the level balancing can and should be done within the Casablanca, for only that input selected, all of the other inputs can still be used as a pre-amp for those inputs and still have variable output from any of these.

If you leave it to act as a pre-amp, AFTER being feed from the CB III-HD, like the way it's currently set-up for of you guys waiting on your upgrades, then it would present this problem, but only if you actually allow it to control volume AFTER the CB III-HD.
It won''t happen if Unity Gain is ON for the input in question.


It seems I always say, don't you "simply" do it this way or that, when I don't have one to play with!
Everything is simple from my armchair

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Steve besides connecting the data out from the CBIII to the Gen VIII, I believe you have to also select which channels in the Gen VIII menu that you want it to respond to volume commands from the CBIII. You have the option of Left and Right, Center and Sub, etc, but I believe you do have to select. Otherwise the volume will increase as you increase the volume on the Casablanca, but the channels may not be balanced.

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

That's just using the Gen VIII as a preamp. Seems like Steve's intention is to use it as a dac instead of using the Xtreme dacs? If you set-up to act as a dac with volume control, the Xtremes are not used for those channels. That's the way I intend to do it. They way you describe would just pass through the output from the Xtreme dacs? I know you luv those Xtreme dacs but?

Originally Posted by bigbrother52

I won't lie, I kinda like the xtreme DACs but Nah Nah Nah, I said in the begining that those two xtreme ports will remain unused and go to the 6-shooter and be fed from the Gen VIII.

I was laying out exactly how NOT to use the Gen. VIII as a pre-amp when hooked to a CB III and how to use the other available inputs pre-amped.

Straigten up and fly right boy

Originally Posted by stick70

Yes that is correct. I have set several inputs in the Gen 8 to use with the CB3 ie. one for HDTV and another for DVD. For those inputs I'd be using the Gen 8's DAC's for the L&R channels inconjuction with the Extreme DAC's in the CB3 for the rest of the channels.

The other inputs in the Gen 8 I use as a preamp for 2 channel stuff. Works seamless.

Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky

OK Dude!!!@@@

I got it all to work.

When I first hooked up the CB3HD, Gen VIII and Six Shooter:

1. CB3HD center, left and right surround, and sub (chaining three Aerial subs) into Six Shooter. Lft front left and right unconnected.

2. CB3HD data cables (2) connect, one into Six Shooter, one into Gen VIII.

3. CB3HD digital AES/EBU cable connects into Gen VIII digital AES/EBU input.

4. Gen VIII, one of the inputs, set (A) volume to fixed, and (B) "External Volume Sig Channels" set to front left and right.

5. Connected front left and right analog balanced interconnects, from each Citadel 1.5 monoblock, to the outputs of the Gen VIII.


Digital sources worked fine this way.

Haven't tried multi-channel analog or stereo analog XLR from UD9004 yet.

Does this setup make sense???

Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky

Marc, Bulldogger is correct. I do not want to connect the CB3HD's front left and right Extreme DAC balanced outputs to the Six Shooter or Gen VIII, cause if I do then I am not using the DACs in the Gen VIII.

Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky

OK Dude!!!@@@

I got it all to work.


4. Gen VIII, one of the inputs, set (A) volume to fixed, and (B) "External Volume Sig Channels" set to front left and right.

Originally Posted by stick70

Yup sounds about right to me. Just remember you use the external Vol Sig Channels with the Gen 8 and Six shooter and your fixed vol when using the Gen 8 as a stand alone.

When you can let us know about sending SACD / DVD-A over HMDI using the Gen 8.

Originally Posted by edorr

The only reason to keep the six shooter in the setup is to run SACD MCH analog through it. If you do SACD over HDMI you do not need the six shooter anymore.

Originally Posted by stick70

I agree. Good news is if he likes the sound of SACD over HMDI you can eliminate the six shooter.

Originally Posted by edorr


Bad news is if that is the case he might as well sell his beloved ud9004 and get an Oppo.