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After 10 years using a 5.1 Energy exl setup (exl-26, exl-c, exl-15, exl-s8), I have decided that my setup no longer suits my lifestyle. I don't have a dedicated home theater room but rather have it setup in the family room where esthetics are important.

I started searching for a decent bookshelf system that sounded decent (a step up from packaged satellite systems but smaller than 17" tall bookshelfs). I am also restricted to a center channel no higher than 6" and no wider than 22l I ended up bringing home 4 Energy v-mini speakers and the v- mini cc center speaker. I am planning on using the setup for 2.1 channel music 60% of the time and 5.1 movies 40%.

In order to get HT to sound decent I had to set the crossover to 100 or else the center channel sounded thin. For music, this setting ends up sounding a bit boomy as the sub is working overtime. I have tried adjusting the sub level but can't find anything that "works" for me.

I am running things off of my Pioneer Elite VSX-53TX receiver and I have already run the auto calibration.

I still haveone week left to return the v-minis for a full refund I also have the opportunity to pick up 4 Totem Dreamcatcher speakers and a Dreamcatcher center channel for only $300 more than what I paid for the v-minis.

The question that I have is whether the Dreamcatchers will be capable of handling more of the mid-bass so that I don't have to rely on my muddy sounding sub. Or would buying a new sub be the answer to making the v- minis sound great.

Also, any thoughts on each set of speakers?
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Originally Posted by lennath View Post

After 10 years using a 5.1 Energy exl setup (exl-26, exl-c, exl-15, exl-s8), I have decided that my setup no longer suits my lifestyle. I don't have a dedicated home theater room but rather have it setup in the family room where esthetics are important.

I started searching for a decent bookshelf system that sounded decent (a step up from packaged satellite systems but smaller than 17" tall bookshelfs). I am also restricted to a center channel no higher than 6" and no wider than 22l I ended up bringing home 4 Energy v-mini speakers and the v- mini cc center speaker. I am planning on using the setup for 2.1 channel music 60% of the time and 5.1 movies 40%.

In order to get HT to sound decent I had to set the crossover to 100 or else the center channel sounded thin. For music, this setting ends up sounding a bit boomy as the sub is working overtime. I have tried adjusting the sub level but can't find anything that "works" for me.

I am running things off of my Pioneer Elite VSX-53TX receiver and I have already run the auto calibration.

I still haveone week left to return the v-minis for a full refund I also have the opportunity to pick up 4 Totem Dreamcatcher speakers and a Dreamcatcher center channel for only $300 more than what I paid for the v-minis.

The question that I have is whether the Dreamcatchers will be capable of handling more of the mid-bass so that I don't have to rely on my muddy sounding sub. Or would buying a new sub be the answer to making the v- minis sound great.

Also, any thoughts on each set of speakers?

Which sub do you have right now?
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post


Which sub do you have right now?

I currently have an Energy exl-s8 sub. It's about ten years old but it serves me well when it was matched with the exl-26 towers.
post #4 of 8
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I should also mention that my room is 17' x 23'
post #5 of 8
I think your problem is very common, with a small sat-sub system, the satellites have some droop in the sound around the upper bass and/or lower midrange which gives a characteristically thin sound.

I believe the dreamcatches will help a bit since they are known for their "big sound, small box", but I'd still be worried that there is something wrong with the way the sub is integrating with your mains.

One thing you can try is to set your crossover even higher. I can't speak for the VMini speakers but the previous generation RC-Mini speakers, even though they were rated at 90Hz, needed to be crossed over higher than I thought for the best sound, 120Hz. Also try the phase control on your sub, sometimes that helps too.

If your sub is a bit muddy you definitely may find an improvement in a sub that articulates better in the upper bass.

Unfortunately, it's really hard to diagnose this over the internet,

If it was me, I might try taking some measurements with a sound meter and some frequency sweeps to gauge how "off" your frequency response is and then go from there.
post #6 of 8
I wouldn't be running Dreamcatchers with that Pioneer.
See this thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1311535
post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. I played around with the phase control on the sub with some success. I ended up leaving the crossover at 100 Hz as the next available setting was 150 Hz which I didn't like as much. I also found a sweet spot on the sub level that blended the bass a bit better. I ended up turning the sub down slightly which may have accounted for the boomy sound.

I'm the end, I think that my biggest problem is that I am used to a much fuller sounding tower speaker. While the v-minis are great for a smaller speaker, they are still just that : a small speaker.

As far as the Dreamcatchers are concerned, I didn't realize that they were 4 ohm speakers (which my amp is nit rated for). Thanks for the heads up.
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
After much debate I ended up rethinking my purchase. The v- minis have been returned.

I'll chalk my experience up to trying to live with to small of a speaker for my room size.

Now I have my sights set on the Totem Mites.
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